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Freedom For Great Britain!
Topic Started: Jun 24 2016, 08:37 AM (8,073 Views)
UltaFlame
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Thanks Poui.

I fail to see how this could be considered a victory for human rights.
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Necare
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Hisui
Jul 7 2016, 11:29 AM
At least there they have a chance, rather than being on the dole most of their lives in the UK and being treated (unofficially) like second-class citizens.
Shadow - the problem is, Schengen makes it easy for them to cross Europe, then cross illegally into the UK. EU law then says we can't kick them out (a few months ago the EU said we had to let some guy stay because he'd purchased a cat while living illegally in the UK)
Outside of the EU we can start loading these people onto planes and shipping them back to Syria. So far, we've only managed to send a few thousand back there.
saying "unofficially" like that makes it alright

being blown up, raped, and having your head chopped off > being second class citizens

okay


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UltaFlame
Jul 7 2016, 11:39 AM
I fail to see how this could be considered a victory for human rights.
exactly. this isnt about whats best for the economy, or to make everything more comfortable. People are dying by the masses.
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Momentime
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uh oh

but dont you see man [radio edit] human rights they took my jobs and i have to see them on the streets with the turbans and headscarves they pollutin this great country and DEY TOOK OUR JERBS
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Admiral Miral
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The Light of Hope

Can we hold a summer board awards to give this topic best topic.
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Hisui
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Seccy "no fun allowed" Secundum

The problem that all you loony lefties have, is you never try and see the point of view of other people. You need to accept that people just don't like immigrants. They don't care that they're being blown up, or living in poverty, or being tortured. They just don't want them here. And why SHOULD they be here? Who says it's Europe that has to shoulder the burden?
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uh oh

Now was that so hard to say?

As for whether or not they should, well, the migrants are in the EU, whether people like it or not. You'd better find a way to shoulder the burden, because for better or worse, they're here to stay.
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King in the North
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The cute anime girl in your sig just...completes the whole picture of your posts.
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english independence is lame. you would think you could taken a note from the imperialists around the world and done something more fun like a revolution instead of a non-legally binding referendum. my god, you guys could have had the RAF bomb Brussels and declare your intentions that way but instead you just held a vote like a bunch of pussies that the government doesn't even really have to listen to? Jesus Christ

i am so glad that America vomited you up a quarter milennium ago, I am ashamed to have your entire awful island as a part of the lineage of my glorious nation and that my nation is a fundamental rejection of you and all that you stand for.

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Odyssey, ya see~ Odyssey, ya see~

There's no need for rollercoasters in my life anymore. This thread is the only wild ride I will ever need.
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Jul 7 2016, 01:23 PM
The problem that all you loony lefties have, is you never try and see the point of view of other people. You need to accept that people just don't like immigrants. They don't care that they're being blown up, or living in poverty, or being tortured. They just don't want them here. And why SHOULD they be here? Who says it's Europe that has to shoulder the burden?
you sound like brazil's conservative right

as in spoiled fuzzy little man peaches whose mentality is "LOL [radio edit] POOR PEOPLE THE WORLD NEEDS TO CATER TO ME ME ME ME"
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Hisui
Jul 7 2016, 01:23 PM
The problem that all you loony lefties have, is you never try and see the point of view of other people. You need to accept that people just don't like immigrants. They don't care that they're being blown up, or living in poverty, or being tortured. They just don't want them here. And why SHOULD they be here? Who says it's Europe that has to shoulder the burden?
Perhaps your points would be better expressed if you didn't lead with ad hom attacks. You're going in thinking that the people opposed to you are crazy/loony and therefore incapable of understanding. Most of the people here in this thread do understand that there are people who do not like immigrants, and acknowledge that said people don't care about what's happening with them.

With that said, the solutions of this Brexit do nothing to address them. Unless Britain closes all borders and denies all incoming travel/trade, there will be people coming in. Leaving the EU does not stop that traffic flow. You are being mocked here because your arguments make zero sense when you consider the wider picture. The refugees will not return home until the war is over, there is no reason for them to do so. They will leave the warzones and travel to places where they can actually live.

But, if you insist, you can shove your head back in the sand and stick your fingers in your ears, screaming "lalalalalala I can't hear you" and think that is actually doing something productive.
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Hisui
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Seccy "no fun allowed" Secundum

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Jul 7 2016, 02:00 PM
Now was that so hard to say?

As for whether or not they should, well, the migrants are in the EU, whether people like it or not. You'd better find a way to shoulder the burden, because for better or worse, they're here to stay.
What do you mean? I never tried to hide it. In general, the British hate immigrants. The problem is when Eurocrats go 'It's your duty to take immigrants in', which is exactly why Brexit happened.

And people who say leaving won't reduce immigration are just being stupid. Sure, it won't reduce it all, but it should cut off a good chunk of it.
And DJ Octavio - the thing is, the people here HAVE shown they're incapable of understanding. Plus we have people like kitn who basically admitted he's trolling the thread.
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Dracobolt
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Incorrigible

I guess it is hard for some folks to understand hating an entire group of people (immigrants) for vague and usually racist reasons, true. Gee, all these people from other countries forcing their way onto English territory despite the wishes of the natives. How's the shoe feel on the other foot?

:mercury_djinn: :mercury_djinn: :mercury_djinn:
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King in the North
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Hisui
Jul 7 2016, 04:23 PM
Momentime
Jul 7 2016, 02:00 PM
Now was that so hard to say?

As for whether or not they should, well, the migrants are in the EU, whether people like it or not. You'd better find a way to shoulder the burden, because for better or worse, they're here to stay.
What do you mean? I never tried to hide it. In general, the British hate immigrants. The problem is when Eurocrats go 'It's your duty to take immigrants in', which is exactly why Brexit happened.

And people who say leaving won't reduce immigration are just being stupid. Sure, it won't reduce it all, but it should cut off a good chunk of it.
And DJ Octavio - the thing is, the people here HAVE shown they're incapable of understanding. Plus we have people like kitn who basically admitted he's trolling the thread.
Trolling the thread? No, I'm mocking you for as Octavio said, your arguments are just so out there.

Yet you tell us that we don't understand the real world and refuse to understand your reasoning? Do you even understand the basic concepts of a debate? We're not "not understanding you", but we're mocking you because your arguments are as simple as "Some people just simply hate immigrants" and "go back to your own country". It's like an adult trying to debate with a child. It just doesn't work. It's not real. And for that we're loony leftist, liberals, eurocrats and whatever other buzzwords you come up with and we JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND MOM.

Take the stick out of your ass, step down from your imaginary pedestal and see that the world isn't black and white and that you're not better or more deserving of anything than anyone else. You're as much of an insignificant shitstain on this mote of dust in space like me.
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Slimegunk
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Dracobolt
Jul 7 2016, 04:30 PM
I guess it is hard for some folks to understand hating an entire group of people (immigrants) for vague and usually racist reasons, true. Gee, all these people from other countries forcing their way onto English territory despite the wishes of the natives. How's the shoe feel on the other foot?

:mercury_djinn: :mercury_djinn: :mercury_djinn:
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Kiki
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Kiki Martius Chantico

Hisui, we're all pretty educated people, living out in the world. As such, we are perfectly capable of digesting arguments in favor of Brexit, so long as they are based in reason and fact. I myself have heard reports on the radio from economists and other expert professionals who have made me understand why they supported the movement. I don't doubt that some of these same experts have influenced your own view.

However, understanding does not equate to agreement, and disagreement does not equate to misunderstanding. You made this topic with cannons blazing, a tone both insulting and defensive, and a lack of interest in citing sources or basing your arguments on anything really other than what you think people think. I'm not saying it was good to troll you, but if you wanted an intelligent discussion on Brexit, you did a very poor job of setting the stage.

It's understandable that you're getting angry and that probably explains your last few crazed posts in which you imply that it's acceptable for people to be fine with refugees blowing up and... that lefty loonies need to accept other views without question... But lets not pretend that you ever made any effort to have a civilized or interesting discussion on the Brexit. This topic was your attempt to shit on the "violently left wing" Temple so don't be surprised that people just sat here and flung it all back on you. This topic could have evolved very respectfully if it had started out that way.
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Hisui
Jul 7 2016, 01:23 PM
The problem that all you loony lefties have, is you never try and see the point of view of other people. You need to accept that people just don't like immigrants. They don't care that they're being blown up, or living in poverty, or being tortured. They just don't want them here. And why SHOULD they be here? Who says it's Europe that has to shoulder the burden?
How are you any better than the "loony lefties" you aren't trying to see the other side's view either.

Why don't you need to accept that some people are perfectly cool with having immigrants?

Not to mention that Europe isn't the only one that has to "shoulder the burden"
the US and Canada both take some amount, and i dont have numbers on hand, but im sure some go to Asia too, not as many sure, but its definitely not solely Europe.

Also you mentioned the EU said that the UK was required to allow someone to stay because he adopted a cat? Call me crazy, but I have a feeling there is more to that story than you're letting on
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DJ Octavio
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Besides, not all of us are leftists. I grew up conservative, and only recently started moderating out and accepting more liberal policies.
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Oi, so this whole thread is getting reported now, so civil the [radio edit] up, guys.

This means you.

Even if you do not think it means you, it means you.

And don't bypass the censor.
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