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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 24 2016, 08:37 AM (8,077 Views) | |
| King in the North | Jun 26 2016, 05:53 PM Post #61 |
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Right, so without EU, immigration will stop being a problem or what? Or you feel like you'll be able to talk freely about it without being called racist? You expect to be part of the political and economical unity of EU and only get the good stuff? And when some crisis (Euro, immigration etc) comes up you get angry and scream when people in charge dare put up rules? So then you stick your heads in the sand and pretend the rest of the world doesn't exist? Also, "52% of voters believe that". Does it make it any better though? "A lot of people think this or that therefore it is correct/good."? Seriously though, silly bantering aside, I am actually interested in a more in depth explanation of your personal views on all this, Hisui. All the negatives from EU on UK, why it's strictly EU's fault and why leaving will make it all better, views on EU in general etc etc. This would help me see where you come from. Feel no pressure, only if you want of course. |
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| Gwydd | Jun 26 2016, 05:53 PM Post #62 |
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While I've heard a lot of media coverage of that too, Satty (and trust me, if I was a Brit, I'd have voted remain), I do think that the media tends to overemphasize the exceptions. Brian Stelter's Reliable Sources on CNN today also questioned the high emphasis given to the regretful voters, and had an interesting (though brief) discussion of this topic. |
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| Saturos | Jun 26 2016, 06:35 PM Post #63 |
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brexit-opinion-poll-reveals-majority-8283139 Shows some 'morning after' polls. It says 50% of people are happy or accepting with the referendum as is, so I think that does show there is some regret (or resignation) to what the result is. Or at least they don't want to put up with another referendum. >34% of Leave had immigration as the main reason to leave |
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| Skylin | Jun 26 2016, 07:18 PM Post #64 |
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Still idiotic that the UK left. Even if they don't suffer an economic hit in the long term it is horrible for European unity and was based far too much in British pride and "purity." |
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| Hisui | Jun 26 2016, 07:35 PM Post #65 |
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Honestly, there's not much you CAN do other than try and get a non-hatred view across. When hatred controls the population and the population votes for hatred, that's what you get - it's the price of living in a democracy - just look at the US with Trump. It was on BBC news - maybe google it on the off chance they stuck it on their website? And it was King in the north who was generalising, as you can see from by quote. |
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| Saturos | Jun 26 2016, 08:32 PM Post #66 |
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Of course, yeah. How do you compete with the lies and misinformation that the people who spread hatred use, though? Especially in a democracy, where people's views are only as useful as they are well-informed? And I think in this case, there definitely was some misinformation being deliberately spread on the Leave side, such as the SHS pledge thing, for example. Trump is definitely a cluster[radio edit] and America should be ashamed of itself (43% backing a Muslim ban, really? Not that Canada is much better, 33% here supported the idea as of Dec - about the size of our right-wing party base, so no surprise there). But hopefully Trump won't be electable, and he's down in the polls at least. Hopefully Clinton doesn't mess it up too horribly. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06/26/clinton-gains-ground-over-trump-in-two-new-national-polls.html http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-election/donald-trump-plunges-in-new-poll-that-gives-hillary-clinton-a-doubledigit-lead-20160626-gpsf3i.html I couldn't find it, Seccy, but it was your claim, so I'm counting on you, okay? KitN wasn't generalizing, he was exaggerating. You're the one yourself who said "Freedom from the EU" in the topic title. >_> <_< |
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| King in the North | Jun 27 2016, 06:14 AM Post #67 |
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Well see it's only people like Hisui that likes to pretend that there's some actual intelligence and thought behind voting leave to make themselves feel good about this. Like he said, he has friends that even thought of voting remain for the only reason that it might be better do damage to the EU from within. Not only do they want to leave, they don't want the rest to have fun without them. Like spoiled little children they just want it all to burn for laughs. Literally /pol/ levels of intelligence. So mature. So this is the power of nationalism and populism. No surprises there. |
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| The Abominator | Jun 27 2016, 06:20 AM Post #68 |
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There was a good BBC segment yesterday on why Wales voted Leave. The voters they interviewed were unrepentent, even when asked about the poor areas of Wales thet have benifited from EU funding. So even in an area most affected by the vote, there are people not changing their minds. I think that single woman who said she changed her mind is just a good news story. Plus the Google trends story of "what is the EU?" is about global searches, and doesn't tell us anything about which option the individual searchers supported. To latch onto those as an excuse to hate an entire nationality is pretty silly. |
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| Gwydd | Jun 27 2016, 06:25 AM Post #69 |
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One interesting thing to me I saw about Wales is that the most Welsh-speaking regions of the north and west – old Gwynedd and Ceredigion – voted stay. There's a massive amount of English influence in the cities and countryside of Wales, especially in the south and east. Of course, this doesn't hold up as much when you look at Cornwall, but the Cornish have also long-since been cannibalised by the English Kingdom. |
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| The Abominator | Jun 27 2016, 06:36 AM Post #70 |
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Wales isn't a monolithic entity, as is the case with every country, so I think it's quite a complicated stratification. Several areas with few Welsh speakers voted remain, like Glamorgan and Cardiff, while high Welsh-speaking areas like Angelsey and Carmarthenshire voted leave. Additionally, Scotland voted remain across the board, there wasn't a clear difference in the areas closer to England. I think it was more about local issues than English influence, especially since you have rich areas in south east England voting remain, perhaps the most stereotypically English places in the country. |
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| HyrulianJedi | Jun 27 2016, 03:39 PM Post #71 |
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Relevant part of this piece bolded. It's not an overall search, it's specifically concerning searches about the EU. And I imagine that question is always among the top of those. |
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| Artemis | Jun 28 2016, 04:14 PM Post #72 |
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![]() As always, in trying times such as these we must turn to @dril for wisdom. Edited by Artemis, Jun 28 2016, 04:15 PM.
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| Hisui | Jun 29 2016, 02:35 PM Post #73 |
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All UK Stock Markets have recovered to pre-exit levels. As everyone knew that they would. Also, why can't Sturgeon just accept the result? When the head honchos of the EU say Scotland isn't staying in and won't be allowed to join by itself, most people would get the message. |
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| King in the North | Jun 29 2016, 02:54 PM Post #74 |
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You do know you're still in the EU right? Nobody can say for sure what's going to happen. Btw have you noticed how free you are yet compared to the day before the vote?
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| Artemis | Jun 29 2016, 03:30 PM Post #75 |
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Remember that a volatile situation is, you know, volatile |
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| DJ Octavio | Jun 29 2016, 03:47 PM Post #76 |
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As soon as article 50 gets pushed, we'll see how things recover. Until then, you're still in the EU. |
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| The Grim Lich | Jun 29 2016, 11:31 PM Post #77 |
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*ahem* The pound's still down USD 0.16. Still a 10% drop from its pre-vote value. |
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| King in the North | Jun 30 2016, 04:50 AM Post #78 |
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Leftist liberal eurocrat lies
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| Hisui | Jun 30 2016, 07:33 AM Post #79 |
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No shit. We haven't actually left yet. Grim Lich - I said stock markets, not pound. |
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| HyrulianJedi | Jun 30 2016, 03:15 PM Post #80 |
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The point was that there hasn't yet been any economical reason for stocks to shift, just the volatility of public opinion and events. The real, long-term effects will happen when they live the EU, because that's what will actually affect the economy. |
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