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Freedom For Great Britain!
Topic Started: Jun 24 2016, 08:37 AM (8,078 Views)
Hisui
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Seccy "no fun allowed" Secundum

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Jun 24 2016, 11:15 AM
rofl I don't know how London can break off
They might be able to swing some deal with the EU but I kind of doubt it

I think Cameron was confident/overconfident that Britain would vote to Remain, and now he's like "lol [radio edit] this" and just peels
London won't leave. Something like 0.5% of the people signed a petition to leave, but the idea is truly ludicrous.
Cameron resigned because he didn't think he could negotiate Brexit successfully (though imo he could have just left it to Gove or someone instead of quitting).
And NI won't leave. I think people not in the UK don't understand how much being part of the UK means to NI.
As for Scotland...The head of the EU flat-out said Scotland wouldn't be allowed to join two years ago...Did they already forget that?

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Some of the frequently asked questions cropping up in Google from within the UK include: "What is the EU?" and "What happens if we leave the EU?" The former was the second top UK question on the EU after the results were officially announced.


I....I can't. I mean....I REALLY hope that NONE of those people voted. Or else that they're all 12-13 year olds or somesuch.

Kyarorain - it was an election promise so he could get elected - my thinking is he thought nobody would actually want to leave, and then it blew up in his face.

Crash - parliament won't overrule it. Even ignoring the fact that it would be career-ending suicide for anyone that did it, a lot would vote to respect the referendum simply because they believe in democracy, also, it's for this reason that we have the Queen - she exists for the once in a lifetime situation like this, where parliament needs to be overruled.
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...the queen can't overrule parliament.
I can't find anything about the EU saying they would refuse to let Scotland join.

Especially in the different political landscape of today. You just want to seek out reasons why the UK made the right choice and this won't cause fracturing.
Edited by Skylin, Jun 24 2016, 08:32 PM.
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Seccy "no fun allowed" Secundum

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Jun 24 2016, 08:26 PM
...the queen can't overrule parliament.
I can't find anything about the EU saying they would refuse to let Scotland join.
She can (among other things, like seizing control of the nuclear arsenal if the PM goes insane or is like Donald Trump), but it's the kind of thing that if it was done for anything other than extreme importance she'd lose the power. Something like parliament trying to overrule the referendum would justify it. But it's all a hypothetical anyway. Even the most die-hard remainders haven't seriously considered such a thing.

As for the Scots...

http://www.euractiv.com/section/elections/video/extremely-difficult-if-not-impossible-for-independent-scotland-to-join-eu-barroso-says/


Also, love how all the doom-sayers were proved wrong about the markets. The FTSE 100 is actually HIGHER than it was at the start of the week.
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Can't wait for the FTSE to remain high when all City corporations leave the country
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Skylin
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I could have sworn the queen could only overrule bills but I guess...
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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10101369197042185&set=a.10101369198638985&type=3&theater

Racism in UK getting legitimized everywhere, it seems. Wish there was a way to cut down on this shit.

Seccy, do you have any ideas, from a right-wing perspective?
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lmao britian

just get rid of this shitstain plz EU

and don't let them in when they come crawling back

"What is EU" lmao almost too good to be true

what did Cameron actually really believe would happen jesus
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It's definitely dumb to hold a referendum in the middle of a "refugee crisis" and in the year of Trump, when that kind of sentiment is particularly high

And just

pls
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This is how the heroic leave voters see themselves

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4BXm4xH8wE[/youtube]
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I heard the results of the vote and cried and said a silent prayer for Britain and it's soon-to-come recession
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Is Hisui serious?

I don't know him as well as the rest like you guys

there is no way you can actually truly honestly genuinly universally completely and unironically believe in something like "FREEDOM FROM THE EU", "INDEPENDENCE DAY", "WE'VE BEEN LIVING IN A DICTATORSHIP UNDER EU"

right?

what else, did the GREAT JEW send syrian immigrants to destroy the proud british master race?
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He means it, he's not good enough a troll to not

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Gwydd
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Just extremely disheartened by all of this. Let's hope the madness can be contained.

I'm confident that in decades' time, the UK will want back in somehow. But in the meantime, chaos and uncertainty rule the day. And unfortunately, there's similar feelings over here across the Pond.

The one hope we have to hold-onto here is that that sort of mentality that drove the Leave votes is a lot less substantial a percentage in the far-more diverse US of A. For example, assume that everyone who voted Leave would vote for Donald Trump – 53% or so of the white vote. Donald Trump actually needs more like 63% of the white vote in order to win the election in November, given his historic lows, especially with minorities.

We have a lot of work to do to repair the damage of Brexit, and a hell of a lot of work to do to prevent that damage from spreading and growing.
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Jesus KitN you're being

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in this thread and I love it.

But look on the bright side! If you're a ruthless libertarian with everything to gain by exploiting the british people free of EU interference, you're rolling on easy street.
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Seccy "no fun allowed" Secundum

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Jun 26 2016, 03:07 AM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10101369197042185&set=a.10101369198638985&type=3&theater

Racism in UK getting legitimized everywhere, it seems. Wish there was a way to cut down on this shit.

Seccy, do you have any ideas, from a right-wing perspective?
I think the problem is that any time people have raised immigration concerns, the loony lefties have shouted 'racist!' and shut them down.
Keep doing that constantly and what do you expect will happen? The solution is to actually address people's concerns. I think too many people forget we're a democracy, where EVERYONE gets a say. Not 'Everyone gets a say except when you think differently from us'.

KITN - It's people like you who actually drove a fair number of people to vote leave. You're the perfect example of a Eurocrat stereotype. And I love how all the people bleating about a recession are intentionally ignoring that so far, everything is fine.

Instead of all doom and gloom, the pound has recovered to 2013 levels, the FTSE closed higher than it did at the start of the week, the French and the EU have said the UK will remain an 'important trading partner', Obama has backtracked over his comments and basically said he was bullshitting when he made that speech last month, and companies that said they'd move out of the UK have changed their minds.

Where was the plague of locusts we were promised? No firstborns are dying, and no rains of frogs. ^^

King in the North
 
there is no way you can actually truly honestly genuinly universally completely and unironically believe in something like "FREEDOM FROM THE EU", "INDEPENDENCE DAY", "WE'VE BEEN LIVING IN A DICTATORSHIP UNDER EU"


52% of voters believe that.

As for 'What is the EU' the BBC had a segment today on that - a good amount of people doing it are those who voted remain. The Remain camp encouraged ignorant people to just vote remain 'because it's safe etc.' and they didn't bother to find out what they were actually voting for.


Satty - as for why it was held in the middle of a refugee crisis...I'm not actually sure, especially considering that Cameron wanted to remain.
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Hisui
Jun 26 2016, 04:03 PM

As for 'What is the EU' the BBC had a segment today on that - a good amount of people doing it are those who voted remain. The Remain camp encouraged ignorant people to just vote remain 'because it's safe etc.' and they didn't bother to find out what they were actually voting for.
Quite true. It's been frustrating seeing a bunch of my friends jump on the Brits for these sorts of Google Searches. A lot of people are trying to figure out what's happening now with this long after choosing a side. This is a common truth in politics: people choose sides not because they know why or believe specifically in that side, but because talking heads and/or politicians they have previously supported or aligned with told them that's the side to support. And no amount of logical reasoning can change these sorts of minds; in fact, logical debates ironically tend to strengthen someone's hard-line position as they feel the position is attacked. It's a lot more about emotion than reason, and Britain's politicians failed to realise this.
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Yeah, I think that's why people are so annoyed with Corbyn. He was too wishy-washy in the campaign, so Labour voters didn't get the message that the party as a whole was pro-remain.

To be fair to Corbyn, he loathes the EU, and only joined the remain campaign because, as leader of Labour, he kinda HAD to. Every time he gave a speech on it, you could tell it appeared forced.

Speaking of Corbyn, 90% of his Shadow Cabinet have resigned because he fired Hillary Benn (who even if I disagree with, he's a great man) in a fit of paranoia. A smart man Corbyn is not.
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Hisui
Jun 26 2016, 04:03 PM
KITN - It's people like you who actually drove a fair number of people to vote leave. You're the perfect example of a Eurocrat stereotype. And I love how all the people bleating about a recession are intentionally ignoring that so far, everything is fine.
Tbh, when I talk about a recession, it's exaggerated for comedic effect, and when other people do it it really is an over-exaggeration. In all seriousness, it's going to be difficult at first, specifically with new laws concerning visas, however once all the short-term/immediate difficulties are (hopefully) dealt with, it's hard to say where Britain will be, but considering their current world standing, I think they will be fine in the long-run. (At least better off than some of the rest of us elsewhere) Europe isn't just going to get up and abandon Britain, especially considering the state of many countries in the EU
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Seccy, you dodged the question. How do you think we can address this kind of systematic, white-supremacist racism on the streets? If you think it's a result of not addressing people's 'legitimate issues,' what legitimate issues do you think those are?

For example, is it the misguided idea that 'immigrants' are going to take all our jobs, despite the fact that immigration is good for the economy, immigrants puts more into the economy than they take out, and generate more jobs?
Is there suddenly a big threat from "Polish vermin" that's legitimate for people?
Without immigration Britain would have a declining and aging population, and that would be bad for the economy, as well as the tax base.

Yes, Seccy, we're in a democracy. The problem is how do you address the problem when hatred begins to control an increasing portion of the population?

It's still too early to say what the economic consequences will be, especially because Britain is still operating as normal under all the EU treaties. We'll see what the new trade stuff looks like after - but no, I don't think it'll be super catastrophic.

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As for 'What is the EU' the BBC had a segment today on that - a good amount of people doing it are those who voted remain. The Remain camp encouraged ignorant people to just vote remain 'because it's safe etc.' and they didn't bother to find out what they were actually voting for.


Can you link the BBC article or video on this, Seccy? I'd love to see this. =D
I've heard in the news lots of people regretting their Leave vote and saying they wish they had voted to Remain, especially because most of the Leave promises were almost immediately broken post-referendum.

And 52% voted leave, not "EU is a dictatorship." Try not to generalize, Seccy.
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