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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 24 2016, 08:37 AM (8,072 Views) | |
| Hisui | Jun 24 2016, 08:37 AM Post #1 |
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The UK has voted to leave the European Union. What a wonderful day! I was so worried that the younger generation of sheeple wouldn't see sense, but thankfully the electorate have more intelligence than I gave them credit for. |
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| Saturos | Jun 24 2016, 08:56 AM Post #2 |
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lol Seccy Are you mad that most of us wanted Remain, and are just here to transparently rub it in? It's k I'm sure everyone else would've done the same to you had the results been different But yeah, I guess we could use a topic to discuss the Brexit. Not really looking forward to seeing how much the markets crap themselves over this. I'd say the hit the pound is taking would make it a good time to go to Britain... but the Canadian dollar is still even worse wwww Seriously though, I'm not sure what Britain was thinking. I believe it was one of the ministers who said this was a failure of democracy due to the electorate being ill-informed (ie. Britain isn't able to do a lot of the things Leave was promising, like negotiate independent trade agreements during the transitional period, or hold off on leaving the EU until 2020). It would be doubly bad if Scotland held another referendum and decided to leave Britain, since they voted Yes under the impression it meant remaining in the EU, but... this is the bed Britain has made for itself now, so all we can do is adapt to the consequences. |
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| Hisui | Jun 24 2016, 09:05 AM Post #3 |
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I actually had no idea what temple wanted. I'd have guessed remain, but that's just because the Temple is violently left-wing. Honestly, I just thought that we could do with a topic on such an important event. As for the pound, it's recovering. And imo the main reason why the UK left was twofold. First, the UK still has a 'The world does what Britain tells it to' mentality, and second, it's all the EU regulations that people hate. A lot of people thought (maybe correctly) that leaving would doom the EU, which is kinda what Britain has always tried to do (several friends of mine voted Remain because they thought they could better harm the EU from the inside, for example). |
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| Artemis | Jun 24 2016, 09:10 AM Post #4 |
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Glad that we have a tiny baby Nigel Farage running around in the Temple. The campaign was built on lies, spreading hatred, racism, and misinformation, with two of the leave group's main promises retracted hours after the poll results, an instant >20% devaluation of the pound, and now Britain has basically sidelined itself from European politics. Of course it would be England that voted majorly to leave, as well. And old people! Speaking of the younger generation of sheeple: 60% of the youth vote, the section of the voting bloc that this decision will actually affect, voted to remain. The same proportion of old people voted to leave. Except they'll all be dead before the consequences hit. But yes, by all means celebrate the fracturing of a union that took years to create. Celebrate the unraveling of something that has helped keep the world together for nothing of benefit. Celebrate switching one unreachable political elite for another. tl;dr old people suck |
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| Saturos | Jun 24 2016, 09:16 AM Post #5 |
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Violently left-wing, more like centrist by most countries' standards. Though youth as a whole is more left-wing, and Temple is mostly youth, so... We'll see how well that pound recovery goes. It might make it harder for Britain to do all that importing it wants to do with such a weak pound (take it from Canada >_>). Makes exporting easier, though! So in the first reason is more of an explanation, in your view, and not actually a reason or benefit from leaving, right? The EU regulations thing is actually understandable, however, I think that's one of those things that's better in the long-run (co-ordination with green energy and climate change, for example). BBC was saying Parliament might try to negotiate Britain to remain in the single market despite leaving the EU - which would ensure both freedom of movement and Britain still paying fees into the EU. Personally I find that hilarious, and probably a good idea (dat free movement of labour). Your friends might be a bit shortsighted (Chrono reported some libertarian forum was similarly celebrating, because RULE BRITANNIA I guess) - harming the EU doesn't really gain Britain much, given how closely the two are linked on issues of trade and security. On the flip side, if it doesn't doom the EU, Britain locked itself out of the prosperity that would go with it. |
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| Kula Diamond | Jun 24 2016, 09:16 AM Post #6 |
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i heard from a cousin a lot of countries' stock markets took a hit from that soooooooo yeah conservative old people suck and should feel ashamed from [radio edit]ing stuff up |
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| Artemis | Jun 24 2016, 09:19 AM Post #7 |
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This has been floating around social media, comment on an FT article
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| Hisui | Jun 24 2016, 09:26 AM Post #8 |
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I am. I'm going to a Brexit party tonight. I'll see if I can get a photo of the cake with a burning EU flag on it. And @Satty - yeah, I know young people tend to be left wing, but it's still an uncomfortable experience when the vocal minotiry at temple mocks and insults any right-wing views. 'Freedom of speech - as long as you agree with us' etc. |
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| Artemis | Jun 24 2016, 09:30 AM Post #9 |
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No one is mocking and insulting anyone decent who holds right wing views - I certainly haven't. But if you're talking about yourself specifically, perhaps the mockery wouldn't be so bad if you were at all a likable person. Instead of, you know, the sort to gloat about other people's frustration and sadness. |
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| Hisui | Jun 24 2016, 09:33 AM Post #10 |
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No, I know YOU haven't, but others have. And I'm hardly gloating-see my above post (or rather my 2nd one). |
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| Artemis | Jun 24 2016, 09:35 AM Post #11 |
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? Is this what you call kindness and respect, or |
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| Hisui | Jun 24 2016, 09:36 AM Post #12 |
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To be fair, the cake wasn't my idea. I'd have preferred a British Flag. |
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| Saturos | Jun 24 2016, 09:50 AM Post #13 |
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A burning British flag would probably be more accurate right about now. >_> <_< Arty has a point, though. You do tend to bring it on yourself, though it is a bit of a chicken-and-egg thing in terms of who started it. I don't think anyone has insulted you, and we're certainly free to disagree with you. Freedom of speech goes both ways, and really only refers to official censorship. I haven't deleted this topic for being Pro-Leave, for example, that would be asinine. And likewise, everyone here is censored from insulting one another, as per our rules. In that respect, you don't have freedom of speech, either. I'm curious though, Seccy. You said the people who wanted Remain were 'sheeple,' but you haven't provided any factual reasons for why Leave was beneficial to Britain; as Arty said, a lot of expert opinion and research suggested that Remain was better. I do think the post-factual democracy risk is real (just look at Trump), where that line between informed voters turns into just blatant populism. |
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| Artemis | Jun 24 2016, 10:01 AM Post #14 |
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One last thing (as Satty mentioned), can we please remember that Freedom Of Speech in capitals is a concept that refers to governmental restrictions on what you can say and has no bearing on what is, in effect, a private enterprise. |
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| Hisui | Jun 24 2016, 10:09 AM Post #15 |
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I say they're Sheeple because a lot of Remain voters didn't really understand it. While I can respect people who vote Remain for informed reasons, a good amount voted because it was the Status Quo. |
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| Saturos | Jun 24 2016, 10:11 AM Post #16 |
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Do you have a basis for that applying to remain voters in particular, as opposed to all the uninformed people that may be on the Leave side? If the ill-informed aren't disproportionately represented on the Remain side, and if you can't demonstrate that with facts, aren't you yourself being ill-informed and perpetuating misinformation in saying that? |
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| Hisui | Jun 24 2016, 10:13 AM Post #17 |
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I think you misunderstood my post. 'Status-quo' and all? |
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| Kris, Awooer of Worlds | Jun 24 2016, 10:14 AM Post #18 |
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And there are people who vote for change merely for the sake of change, so what's your point? |
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| Saturos | Jun 24 2016, 10:19 AM Post #19 |
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Yeah. I said, do you have evidence that in this case, the status quo also aligned with people being ill-informed on the issue? Furthermore, being disproportionately ill-informed compared to the other side? Or are you making an assumption not grounded in facts? |
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| DJ Octavio | Jun 24 2016, 10:58 AM Post #20 |
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I will admit that I don't know much about what is going on beyond what was talked about by John Oliver https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAgKHSNqxa8 But this does seem to be leading to chaos. I'm reading some stories and comments on the matter, seeing that a bunch of the things promised if they do leave get pulled back as soon as the vote clears. I'm seeing that David Cameron was all for enacting the plan to start the process to leave, only to resign this morning because he didn't feel like he was the right captain for this ship. The pound is deflating, and other rumors that Norther Ireland and Scotland may decide to stay with the EU, as well as London considering breaking off. I'll be watching this, but none of this looks good. |
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