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Final Fantasy XII HD Remaster announced
Topic Started: Jun 6 2016, 06:20 AM (2,702 Views)
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Gnarlymaple
Jun 12 2016, 04:31 PM
a) there generally being no benefit for smartly choosing which classes go to which character i.e. being able to cross class skills and passive abilities or confer stat bonuses from the chosen jobs
Well, there is still a little advantage to choosing wisely. Though not necessarily what you were talking about, certain characters are better for certain jobs.

I've read that Vaan is apparently the best White Mage in the game for example, so there's still some importance in choosing jobs wisely if you're trying to min/max for Yiazmat.
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I hope they make an NX version. I've played the other Ivalice Alliance games (well, not War of the Lions, but I'm going to get that on my iPhone soon…) because they're Nintendo games. Can't justify shilling out for a PS4, even though I really want to try my hand at the biggest and best of the Ivalice games (not to mention FF7 HD and FFXV).

I'm really hoping Cloud in Smash means Square Enix finally wants to play nice with Nintendo consoles again.
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Kris, Awooer of Worlds
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Awoo!

reminder that IZJS has a Trial mode that allows the wyrmhero blade to actually have a use
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Bane Martius Agni
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Just popping in to say that ffxii was the worst one
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Kris, Awooer of Worlds
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nah it has the best combat system
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Bane Martius Agni
Jun 20 2016, 03:27 AM
Just popping in to say that ffxii was the worst one
I am offended on a deep and personal level.
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Although I don't think FFXII is great, it's actually impossible for it to be the worst FF games when the XIII trilogy exists.
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Jun 20 2016, 02:42 PM
Although I don't think FFXII is great, it's actually impossible for it to be the worst FF games when the XIII trilogy exists.
indeed, and it's impossible for those to be the worst when 8 exists.
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peytral pls

Kris, Awooer of Worlds
Jun 20 2016, 03:48 AM
nah it has the best combat system
that doesn't mean much
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Silvy
Jun 20 2016, 02:51 PM
Dragon Lord
Jun 20 2016, 02:42 PM
Although I don't think FFXII is great, it's actually impossible for it to be the worst FF games when the XIII trilogy exists.
indeed, and it's impossible for those to be the worst when 8 exists.
I am again offended on a deep and personal level.
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Kris, Awooer of Worlds
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Awoo!

Peytral
Jun 20 2016, 02:52 PM
Kris, Awooer of Worlds
Jun 20 2016, 03:48 AM
nah it has the best combat system
that doesn't mean much
It means that I actually beat the game rather than get "pretty far" like I have in the other main series FFs. :'D

though if I include spinoffs, all three tactics win for me. lf>new fftactics
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FFXIII is better than FF1-6 (maybe not 3 I haven't played it yet, and idk about 8 but I trust Silvy so he's right).
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Kris, Awooer of Worlds
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but I ragequit XIII because of the stagger system

and I'm pretty sure there's no way the villains in XIII win like Kefka does.
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Saturos
Jun 20 2016, 07:08 PM
FFXIII is better than FF1-6 (maybe not 3 I haven't played it yet, and idk about 8 but I trust Silvy so he's right).
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Sorry, I'm wearing a full set of Nostalgia Armor (+45 Defense, -3 Intelligence, Immunity to Reasoned Arguments), you can't possible defeat me.
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Stagger system is fine! I also like how quickly you can change strategies/the paradigm system, it makes combat feel pretty fluid. And the fights are pretty cinematic/action-y as well, it looks and feels a lot more dynamic.

Well
Kefka 'winning' doesn't make it good, and Kefka's a pretty awful character in general
I will say the aftermath of that is the best part of VI, even if it's basically the 'gather all your party members again like Pokemon'
and then FFXIII-2 gives you the real Pokemon experience with all that cute/cool monster collecting, dreaming of that dank chocobo swag
<insert crazy chocobo here>

In a sense you spend most of FFXIII fighting for the bad guys

but whether the bad guys win or lose or you fight for the bad guys has nothing to do with quality of writing
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Kris, Awooer of Worlds
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...I think I just realized I don't know how to discern "quality of writing". I typically just notice plot events I think are nice/cool/awesome.

And entertaining characters.
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Saturos
Jun 20 2016, 07:37 PM
Kefka 'winning' doesn't make it good, and Kefka's a pretty awful character in general
I will say the aftermath of that is the best part of VI, even if it's basically the 'gather all your party members again like Pokemon'
FFVI is one of my favorite games of all time, but like yeah there's not a single character (player or otherwise) that I would consider exceptionally well written. Not even close. I just peg it as a product of the times and the limitations of the hardware, whether or not that's actually true.

Actually I feel that way about basically all of the NES-SNES era titles.

Still love the damn things though.
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heart-under-blade

Yeah, for the time it was pretty well-advanced and broke a lot of new ground in terms of the kinds of stories games can tell. But because of that groundwork, and the continuing work that was laid, storytelling in games generally improved over time as it became considered more of a 'serious' or commercially viable method of storytelling.
That's what I think as a general trend, anyway, but ofc there are still some older games with a great story/writing, and there are lots of newer games that have bad writing.

Plot events being nice/cool/awesome is definitely an important part of art and how we experience it, and I think that's also definitely valid - and indeed, a part of what makes something 'good writing.'
I think another thing is what we appreciate at different times and different experiences - lol randumb Kefka humour "son of a submariner"??? might be funny and good when we're young, but I think one of the ways you can tell if something's good is that you can keep appreciating it no matter how old you get, no matter how much other stuff you've experienced and your tastes have changed, there's something in it that still says "Yes, this resonates with me."
Buuut that's just me, obviously there's no definitive answer to that
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Silvy
Jun 20 2016, 02:51 PM
Dragon Lord
Jun 20 2016, 02:42 PM
Although I don't think FFXII is great, it's actually impossible for it to be the worst FF games when the XIII trilogy exists.
indeed, and it's impossible for those to be the worst when 8 exists.
At least VIII has a good OST though. Sure, it might be the only good thing about the game, but that's still one more than XIII has.
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Too bad XIII's OST is one of the best in the series, and is better than the OST's Uematsu composed ~_^

Except maybe FFIX
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