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Brazilians are the dumbest people on earth
Topic Started: Apr 18 2016, 09:18 AM (1,606 Views)
Kula Diamond
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they think replacing a corrupt politician with a corrupt politician will end corruption

[radio edit] this country i hope it gets nuked to oblivion
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Nell
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Have you tried re-electing Berlusconi?
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The Phantom Squee
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Sound the horn and call the cry: "How many of them can we make die?"

"Being an absolute ruler today was not as simple as people thought. At least, it was not simple if your ambitions included being an absolute ruler tomorrow. There were subtleties. Oh, you could order men to smash down doors and drag people off to dungeons without trial, but too much of that sort of thing was bad for business, habit-forming, style-lacking, and very, very dangerous for your health. A thinking tyrant, it seemed to Vetinari, had a much harder job than a ruler raised to power by some idiot vote-yourself-rich system like democracy. At least he could tell the people he was their fault."
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Artemis
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I dare you to walk around Brazil telling everyone they're the dumbest people on the entire planet.
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Kula Diamond
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ok now that i'm slightly less pissed let me explain

basically a bunch of politicians who are suspected of various crimes want to overthrow the current president (who is still full of bullshit but there's almost no politician who isn't) and people support them like they're saints

one of the politicians in the voting to determine if the impeachment process goes forward even dedicated his vote to a torturer from brazil's military dictatorship era (seriously) and the supporters didn't even call out that guy on that bullshit that's how brainwashed they are

i suppose i can exclude people who know nothing will change (and that's in the best scenario) from the op's statement though
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Artemis
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politics, baby
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Kula Diamond
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pretty much

except you can't even try to vote in the seemingly-honest candidates like other countries because THERE ARE NONE
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Artemis
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I mean that goes for almost everywhere anyway. Latin America and Brazil do have a lot more of that on show though, compared at least to North America/Europe.


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Thanks Poui.

I gave up on voting because all of the options look equally stupid to vote in.

Except Trump, but as I believe I'm a registered "Not republican" and I'm in NY I can't really do anything about Trump getting into the election.
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Artemis
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voting is still important anyway because doing something is better than doing nothing
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uh oh

Tiltyu
Apr 19 2016, 11:50 AM
pretty much

except you can't even try to vote in the seemingly-honest candidates like other countries because THERE ARE NONE
I was going to say, I don't know much about brazilian politics but I do know corruption is rampant there. Can you really blame anyone if all the options available are corrupt, corrupt, corrupt, and corrupt but likes kittens? I do remember there was a scandal about the world cup stadiums being (some people would say) unnecessary and/or tied to corruption. I am not envious of brazilian voters tbh.
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What does someone do in your position in Brazil if voting is compulsory? Vote for the least awful?
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vote null (as in inputting 0s in the voting machine things)

it's better than giving support to any of those assholes (and apparently if a majority votes null they have to find new candidates or something but I'm sorta sure almost nobody knows that)
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Wheey! I've became a human being!! I am very handsam!

I saw a bunch of shit today about how the new guy in charge eliminated the Human Rights department, women's rights department, racial equality department, and other government functions meant to protect the marginalized
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Okay um....I don't even know how to begin right now.

@OP: What are you doing?

Is this a rant? Is it supposed to be political commentary? Are you trying to bring attention to the Dilma Rousseff's impeachment scandal and the general landscape of Brazilian politics? There is a lot of things to be said and unpacked about the whole debacle, I just can't for the life of me figure out what you are trying to bring to this conversation right now.

First of all, the "Brazilian people" had virtually nothing to do with the corrupt sack of shit that was just installed as president. Michel Temer was not elected, he is deeply unpopular with barely 2% support during the last time they were polled. In fact, around the same number of people polled in favor of impeaching Rousseff also wanted him impeached(Temer was the former VP, for those not familiar with Brazil's political climate, but from the right-wing PMDB party, so her suspension automatically puts him into power in ways legitimate democratic process never could). Brazilians are PISSED OFF over this shit, there are protests happening all over Brazil right now, many has referred to the whole thing as a coup, and many of the protesters appalled over the undemocratic nature of the entire process are being greeted with tear-gas and all sorts of other suppression tactics. It's nothing short of a complete cluster[radio edit] right now even without you pissing on those who had no part in this by calling them "the dumbest people on earth".

Not that I'm defending now former President Rousseff, but she was miraculously one of the only people not implicated in the corruption. That's not to rule out the possibility she might be involved, but unlike Temer(who was HEAVILY implicated along with the entirety of the PMDB), there is currently no evidence against her. And the rationale for her impeachment had virtually nothing to do with the scandal. Her impeachment was very blatantly ploy to put into power an administration that would NEVER be elected democratically given their near-universal unpopularity. Even Tamer and PMDB's "supporters"(which is not synonymous with the word "Brazilians"), contrary to what you are claiming here, do not see them as "saints." The reason they are not even pretending that the impeachment process has any legitimacy is not because they are "stupid" or "brainwashed", it's because they don't care and/or profiting from it.

Look, I'm not expecting tremendous nuance on a forum dedicated to Kraden about Brazilian politics. But I don't understand what the function of this topic was. Is it just to get political brownie points for the OP? Cause that's what it looks like. There is a conversation that need to be had about Brazil. But I'm sorry to say: You are not helping. This has nothing to do with voters voting for stupid options, the entire process is being overthrown in ways that doesn't even pretend to be democratic.

Anyway, for those interested in finding out more about what's happening in Brazil right now. Here is a nice video run-down to get started
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifXDNdGn8_Q[/youtube]
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Necare
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You do know that the OP is Brazilian, right. Just throwing that out there.

:luna:
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Necare, shut up and let this happen, it has the potential to be hilarious
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Good thread 10/10
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Brynhildr
May 13 2016, 11:32 PM
Okay um....I don't even know how to begin right now.

@OP: What are you doing?

Is this a rant? Is it supposed to be political commentary? Are you trying to bring attention to the Dilma Rousseff's impeachment scandal and the general landscape of Brazilian politics? There is a lot of things to be said and unpacked about the whole debacle, I just can't for the life of me figure out what you are trying to bring to this conversation right now.

First of all, the "Brazilian people" had virtually nothing to do with the corrupt sack of shit that was just installed as president. Michel Temer was not elected, he is deeply unpopular with barely 2% support during the last time they were polled. In fact, around the same number of people polled in favor of impeaching Rousseff also wanted him impeached(Temer was the former VP, for those not familiar with Brazil's political climate, but from the right-wing PMDB party, so her suspension automatically puts him into power in ways legitimate democratic process never could). Brazilians are PISSED OFF over this shit, there are protests happening all over Brazil right now, many has referred to the whole thing as a coup, and many of the protesters appalled over the undemocratic nature of the entire process are being greeted with tear-gas and all sorts of other suppression tactics. It's nothing short of a complete cluster[radio edit] right now even without you pissing on those who had no part in this by calling them "the dumbest people on earth".

Not that I'm defending now former President Rousseff, but she was miraculously one of the only people not implicated in the corruption. That's not to rule out the possibility she might be involved, but unlike Temer(who was HEAVILY implicated along with the entirety of the PMDB), there is currently no evidence against her. And the rationale for her impeachment had virtually nothing to do with the scandal. Her impeachment was very blatantly ploy to put into power an administration that would NEVER be elected democratically given their near-universal unpopularity. Even Tamer and PMDB's "supporters"(which is not synonymous with the word "Brazilians"), contrary to what you are claiming here, do not see them as "saints." The reason they are not even pretending that the impeachment process has any legitimacy is not because they are "stupid" or "brainwashed", it's because they don't care and/or profiting from it.

Look, I'm not expecting tremendous nuance on a forum dedicated to Kraden about Brazilian politics. But I don't understand what the function of this topic was. Is it just to get political brownie points for the OP? Cause that's what it looks like. There is a conversation that need to be had about Brazil. But I'm sorry to say: You are not helping. This has nothing to do with voters voting for stupid options, the entire process is being overthrown in ways that doesn't even pretend to be democratic.

Anyway, for those interested in finding out more about what's happening in Brazil right now. Here is a nice video run-down to get started
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifXDNdGn8_Q[/youtube]
uh

i live in brazil (even though i'm only half-brazilianl and know temer bullshited his way to power way before you first world people even knew what happened

also why do you think i don't know the people who share a country with me

the first world media likely only shows the side of the population that isn't scum because there ARE people who are dumb enough to think the impeachment wasn't a horrible thing that put a cancerous piece of shit in power
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Huh. Okay. No, I didn't take into account the fact you are living there and it's your own country I was admittedly reckless in addressing. I apologize for my patronizing and, even bourgeois tone in voicing what I said to you. That was wrong of me. You deserved better. And I am genuinely sorry for having done that to you.

Now that I understand where you are coming from, there is a few comments I have. And given you are as deeply engaged in Brazil's political situation as you are telling me now, I hope you would understand where I'm coming from.

I'm glad we are both on the same page about Michel Temer's bullshit. But I wasn't actually talking about that. I was talking more about how he wasn't elected into power. The reason I brought that up is because the discussion in this topic was largely centered on voting (if you would scroll up and see). Which is misleading since Temer wasn't voted in, and this has nothing to do with how the Brazilian people voted. By all accounts, this was a coup, no matter what you thought of Dilma Rousseff. To discuss this grossly irregular undemocratic proceedings as if it were an issue of voting-that's some SERIOUS misinformation. And I'm perplexed why you didn't clarify this given what you knew. If you don't mind explaining.

And if anything. "The Brazilian people are dumb, and wanted this." is a false narrative also shared by first world media outlet(of what little coverage was given), precisely to sideline the undemocratic nature of what happened. I don't really see why you think first-world media has any interest in showing the discontent of the people, when it's in their interest to have a neoliberal tool like Temer in power, and pretend like everyone is for it.

More on that, the particular media outlets and journalists I've been following, Andrew Fishman(see in video), Glen Greenwald, David Miranda, etc. they are all based in Brazil and have been covering the issue for a long time. Which is not to say they don't have their limitations in their coverage, but brushing them aside as just offering some "first world media" narrative really doesn't do that. So if you have anything to share as to where they for short, which you seem to imply you do, I would love to hear it.
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