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Which do you believe in?
Free Will 7 (50%)
Fate/Destiny 0 (0%)
A bit of both 5 (35.7%)
Other 2 (14.3%)
Total Votes: 14
Biweekly Poll #3 - Do you believe in free will or fate/destiny?
Topic Started: Nov 9 2015, 05:23 PM (1,029 Views)
Aevis Martius Ravi
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Obviously a multiple choice answer isn't going to be enough to explain your thoughts but have at it.

Are our outcomes predetermined or do we mold our own path? Answers over the years have varied wildly (much like the definitions of free will and fate to the individual), some using a scientific aproach, or even religious foundations to support their view. What do you think?
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Hinoa
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Enabling Terrible Ideas since 2012

Not gonna lie, I misread the poll title from the front page as "Do you believe in tree..." and had to do a double take
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Gilgamesh
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solbowz Aurarius

"Free will" is molded by your experiences, environment, personality, etc.

But within all of that framework that limits your choices, you do have a choice.

Fate/Destiny is dumb
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Peytral
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peytral pls

Nothing in life is free.

However, if there's a will, there's a way.
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Kiki
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Kiki Martius Chantico

I believe that fate has brought all of us Kradenettes together. We share a common destiny.
Or maybe it was Fate that brought us together...
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Saturos
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heart-under-blade

It's philosophically interesting, but I think it's practically meaningless - since free will and determinism would be perceived the same in daily life, so you can't tell the two apart.

Ofc morality/ethics are based on the existence of free will/responsibility for their actions, but as Boyd said, it's good to understand how environment/socio-economics limits the actions you can freely take.

Scientifically the universe is prooobably non-deterministic on the quantum level, but who knows what it is on the macro level? There's still stuff that points to the universe being deterministic, but I believe it's still up in the air.

In religious terms I believe it's a both/and thing, where you freely make your decisions, and God witnesses them after you've made them (from His eternal position).
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Kula Diamond
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atlus tracts

destiny/fate is bullshit
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Aevis Martius Ravi
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This was something I was interested in seeing, primarily due to how people percieve free will and fate. I personally think both blur the lines, between absolutes like death, old age (inability to thwart them, ultimate fate), and how much influence is taken from society that affects your overall actions, thoughts. (Think someone severely impaired due to extended captivity during formative years), can they truly have free will when they can barely function?

And I was also reading things on neuroscience and free will (though hotly debated) some experiments have concluded that unconscious processes have much more influence than we think. Science overall has been giving me thoughts, as in causality/cause and effect, like, this happened so this happens, and creating a domino effect that could cascade intk manipulating free will. Even down to a universal level, the big bang, how everything was created and keeps expanding. How perfect conditions create life, fate/destiny of our planet (if you believe in evolution.)

Then religion, God having a 'plan' for us all, yet stating you can choose your own path, whether not to sin, help others, etc. Really, it boils down, to me; things happen for a reason, but at the same time we can, even if just slightly, change the outcome.
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The Phantom Squee
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Sound the horn and call the cry: "How many of them can we make die?"

Gilgamesh
Nov 9 2015, 06:35 PM
Fate/Destiny is dumb
For a second I thought Type-Moon had announced yet another new thing while I was gone for the weekend.
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Gilgamesh
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solbowz Aurarius

>Nasu
>doing things

good one
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The Phantom Squee
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Sound the horn and call the cry: "How many of them can we make die?"

Well, Dark Souls 3 isn't out yet, so he might be trying to cram something in before that happens. Or was that Urobuchi? I keep forgetting.
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Gilgamesh
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solbowz Aurarius

Nah that's Nasu

He says his Reality Marble is a place where he can play video games and crap all day but there's also a looming monster that appears every so often to try and make him work

Something like that
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Seoulbowz
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Supergeil

Gilgamesh
Nov 10 2015, 12:46 AM
>Nasu
>doing things

good one
I doubt Nasu has been heavily involved in a majority of their recent projects.
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Gilgamesh
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solbowz Aurarius

Exactly
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Hoofs
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dess dess dess dess dess

Considering I play it pretty regularly, I believe Destiny is in fact a thing

not even slightly sorry
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King in the North
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8x73UW8Hjk[/youtube]
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Ian889
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Death comes to all of those who oppose me.

I think fate will put you in situations to make choices. You make choices.
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Phoenix7
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Odyssey, ya see~ Odyssey, ya see~

Gilgamesh
Nov 9 2015, 06:35 PM
"Free will" is molded by your experiences, environment, personality, etc.

But within all of that framework that limits your choices, you do have a choice.

Fate/Destiny is dumb
Pretty much this. Even the most limited individual in life still ultimately has a choice as to their actions.
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Saturos
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heart-under-blade

itt: this forum is shounen protags
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Kula Diamond
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atlus tracts

Saturos
Nov 11 2015, 06:09 AM
itt: this forum is shounen protags
not enough friendship speeches
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