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Unpopular anime/manga opinions!
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Gilgamesh	Dec 1 2014, 10:39 PM Post #101
solbowz Aurarius Posts: 33,599 Group: Venus Clan Member #380 Joined: October 3, 2008 Gender: King of Heroes Blog: Shattered Symbosis Country: #226# True Name: Space Boyd Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h6lFNXzC1g	Admiral Miral Dec 1 2014, 07:45 PM Sanae Kochiya Dec 1 2014, 05:01 PM literally becoming Peytral. If Boyd is becoming Peytral and Peytral is becoming me, does that mean that Boyd is becoming me? No. I can't be, solbowz thinks I'm wrong all the time.



Momentime	Dec 1 2014, 11:01 PM Post #102
uh oh Posts: 18,956 Group: Luna Clan Member #194 Joined: May 28, 2007 Gender: pew pew pew Country: #226# True Name: Shads	The Phantom Squee Dec 1 2014, 10:34 PM Saturos Dec 1 2014, 09:47 PM I'm not sure what you're talking about there, Squee. Who exactly are these writers trying to make realistic works? Anything trying to be gritty. I just love how you say [radio edit]ing everyone is trying to be 2grimdark4u and then when asked to name names you're just like how the [radio edit] should i know



Hell	Dec 1 2014, 11:27 PM Post #103
Posts: 5,391 Group: Venus Clan Member #719 Joined: November 17, 2010 Gender: Queen of Heroes Country: #157# Blog: Shattered Trophobiosis True Name: Space Hell Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGF6bOi1NfA	the number one opinion that comes to my mind is this it is actually possible to judge an anime and its fandom separately despite size and/or smell of said fandom



The Phantom Squee	Dec 1 2014, 11:43 PM Post #104
Sound the horn and call the cry: "How many of them can we make die?" Posts: 17,970 Group: Jupiter Clan Member #169 Joined: April 13, 2007 Blog: Tastes Like Homebrew Country: #0# True Name: Squee Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5KvMSVnafE	Shads Dec 1 2014, 11:01 PM The Phantom Squee Dec 1 2014, 10:34 PM Saturos Dec 1 2014, 09:47 PM I'm not sure what you're talking about there, Squee. Who exactly are these writers trying to make realistic works? Anything trying to be gritty. I just love how you say [radio edit]ing everyone is trying to be 2grimdark4u and then when asked to name names you're just like how the [radio edit] should i know You sound upset.



HyrulianJedi	Dec 1 2014, 11:49 PM Post #105
uguu~ Posts: 7,500 Group: Clanless Member #116 Joined: November 2, 2006 Gender: Girl Blog: I Hate Blogs Country: #0#	Are we walking about artwork, or story presentation here?



The Phantom Squee	Dec 1 2014, 11:53 PM Post #106
Sound the horn and call the cry: "How many of them can we make die?" Posts: 17,970 Group: Jupiter Clan Member #169 Joined: April 13, 2007 Blog: Tastes Like Homebrew Country: #0# True Name: Squee Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5KvMSVnafE	Overall impression. The two do tend to go hand in hand a lot though; you get artstyle choices like the SHAFT tilt in the stories trying to present themselves that way.



simplechild	Dec 2 2014, 12:22 AM Post #107
My only feel is murder Posts: 12,119 Group: Fori Member #115 Joined: October 30, 2006 Gender: Burning Blog: What's All This, Then? Country: 'Nam. True Name: simplechild	The Phantom Squee Dec 1 2014, 10:34 PM Saturos Dec 1 2014, 09:47 PM I'm not sure what you're talking about there, Squee. Who exactly are these writers trying to make realistic works? Anything trying to be gritty. Shad's insensitivity aside, which anime are you actually talking about and what's your definition of grimdark/gritty? I'm not going to understand where you're coming from with this particular opinion until you answer that.



The Phantom Squee	Dec 2 2014, 01:04 AM Post #108
Sound the horn and call the cry: "How many of them can we make die?" Posts: 17,970 Group: Jupiter Clan Member #169 Joined: April 13, 2007 Blog: Tastes Like Homebrew Country: #0# True Name: Squee Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5KvMSVnafE	I didn't have a particular one in mind when I wrote that post, but it's mostly stuff like Attack on Titan, Darker than Black, etc. Madoka and Fate/, particularly Zero, do it a bit too, although they're not the worst offenders.



Saturos	Dec 2 2014, 01:33 AM Post #109
heart-under-blade Posts: 36,354 Group: Iris Member #2 Joined: March 20, 2005 Gender: Male Country: #0# True Name: Saturos Theme Song: https://youtu.be/mh5vyvMGhqE	Madoka Magica and Fate/Zero don't really strike me as things striving for realism and failing. >_> Probably the most realism thing I've seen in anime is like, Golden Time.



Seoulbowz	Dec 2 2014, 01:38 AM Post #110
Supergeil Posts: 19,233 Group: Sol Clan Member #54 Joined: May 28, 2006 Blog: Edeka Country: #79# True Name: Friedrich Liechtenstein Theme Song: https://youtu.be/jxVcgDMBU94	I don't think you can say Darker than Black was string for realism at all. Attack on Titan maybe but even then the premise kinda makes that claim dubious.



simplechild	Dec 2 2014, 01:52 AM Post #111
My only feel is murder Posts: 12,119 Group: Fori Member #115 Joined: October 30, 2006 Gender: Burning Blog: What's All This, Then? Country: 'Nam. True Name: simplechild	Now this is an issue of what you mean by realistic. Is it in a tonal sense where you just can't handle how overdramatic anime is in general, or is it literal? Because I can see what you're talking about with Attack on Titan if it's the former. Saturribur Probably the most realism thing I've seen in anime is like, Golden Time. Oh, oh, you should watch Shirobako if you want something that's way too real.



Peytral	Dec 2 2014, 02:06 AM Post #112
peytral pls Posts: 15,452 Group: Sol Clan Member #459 Joined: March 18, 2009 Gender: Miserable pile of secrets Blog: Ab Animo Pario Country: #0# True Name: Peytral Aznable	simplechild Dec 2 2014, 01:52 AM Now this is an issue of what you mean by realistic. Is it in a tonal sense where you just can't handle how overdramatic anime is in general, or is it literal? Because I can see what you're talking about with Attack on Titan if it's the former. Attack on Titan is one of the most hilariously overdramatic anime I've seen.



The Phantom Squee	Dec 2 2014, 02:09 AM Post #113
Sound the horn and call the cry: "How many of them can we make die?" Posts: 17,970 Group: Jupiter Clan Member #169 Joined: April 13, 2007 Blog: Tastes Like Homebrew Country: #0# True Name: Squee Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5KvMSVnafE	Yeah, by realism I don't mean "this could happen in the real world" because obviously shit like magic would disqualify that. I mean shooting for a realistic approach to what humans would naturally be capable of and how they would act in X situation, overshooting, and landing in "people are horrible and nothing good ever happens" territory. Because it's easy to get hung up on that mentality, and it's an easy substitute for actual complexity.



Saturos	Dec 2 2014, 02:51 AM Post #114
heart-under-blade Posts: 36,354 Group: Iris Member #2 Joined: March 20, 2005 Gender: Male Country: #0# True Name: Saturos Theme Song: https://youtu.be/mh5vyvMGhqE	I'm not convinced realism is what they were going for, there. Realism and a "grimdark story" are two different things that aren't necessarily connected. Urobuchi himself lamented that he was incapable of writing a not-depressing story/incapable of writing a happy ending. Madoka Magica broke that curse, I think. Arguably. xP Basically, I'm not convinced realism as a goal was on Fate/Zero's radar at all. Japan's drama has always been highly stylized. Like, look at kabuki. >_> I think Fate/Zero is still plenty complex, even on the basis of the anime. Though I'm sure Draco would agree with you. :awsm:



Gilgamesh	Dec 2 2014, 02:55 AM Post #115
solbowz Aurarius Posts: 33,599 Group: Venus Clan Member #380 Joined: October 3, 2008 Gender: King of Heroes Blog: Shattered Symbosis Country: #226# True Name: Space Boyd Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h6lFNXzC1g	Wait why is realism being conflated with grimdark here? Just because a story is dark and negative that means it's a failed attempt at realism? As far as Fate/Zero goes, it was written to intentionally be dark so it could be smashed apart by Fate/Stay Night's (generally) positive endings. The tl;dr version of F/Z is "Kiritsugu was wrong." Also it's a story about a cup that grants any wish, that's like, the opposite of realism, though I'll grant that they do discuss how unrealistic that is only in F/Z and not in F/SN.



The Phantom Squee	Dec 2 2014, 02:56 AM Post #116
Sound the horn and call the cry: "How many of them can we make die?" Posts: 17,970 Group: Jupiter Clan Member #169 Joined: April 13, 2007 Blog: Tastes Like Homebrew Country: #0# True Name: Squee Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5KvMSVnafE	I didn't say it wasn't complex, just that I think he mistakes cynicism with complexity at times. And as for Madoka, I could accept the anime's ending as being reasonably happy, but Spoiler: click to toggle being forcibly pulled into an artificial world so you can be a mentally unstable creep's waifu is not my idea of a happy ending. Quote: Also it's a story about a cup that grants any wish, that's like, the opposite of realism, though I'll grant that they do discuss how unrealistic that is only in F/Z and not in F/SN. see Quote: Yeah, by realism I don't mean "this could happen in the real world" because obviously shit like magic would disqualify that. I mean shooting for a realistic approach to what humans would naturally be capable of and how they would act in X situation, overshooting, and landing in "people are horrible and nothing good ever happens" territory.



Gilgamesh	Dec 2 2014, 03:03 AM Post #117
solbowz Aurarius Posts: 33,599 Group: Venus Clan Member #380 Joined: October 3, 2008 Gender: King of Heroes Blog: Shattered Symbosis Country: #226# True Name: Space Boyd Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h6lFNXzC1g	I missed that post, my bad I'm still not sure how "humans are assholes" means "failed attempt at realism" though



Hell	Dec 2 2014, 03:07 AM Post #118
Posts: 5,391 Group: Venus Clan Member #719 Joined: November 17, 2010 Gender: Queen of Heroes Country: #157# Blog: Shattered Trophobiosis True Name: Space Hell Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGF6bOi1NfA	~~But people are horrible and nothing good ever happens~~



The Phantom Squee	Dec 2 2014, 03:11 AM Post #119
Sound the horn and call the cry: "How many of them can we make die?" Posts: 17,970 Group: Jupiter Clan Member #169 Joined: April 13, 2007 Blog: Tastes Like Homebrew Country: #0# True Name: Squee Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5KvMSVnafE	Well if he's "lamenting" his inability to write a happy ending, I sure don't think he'd write asshole characters because he enjoys them.



Saturos	Dec 2 2014, 03:26 AM Post #120
heart-under-blade Posts: 36,354 Group: Iris Member #2 Joined: March 20, 2005 Gender: Male Country: #0# True Name: Saturos Theme Song: https://youtu.be/mh5vyvMGhqE	Not necessarily true, and it doesn't follow from there that "I can't seem to write a happy ending" means "I write these endings because they're realistic." I really don't see where your logic is coming from here. You could easily just say that Urobuchi's writing style tends towards depressing endings, that subconsciously that's where his writing goes/that's the kind of stories he produces, that within the mechanisms of the story, the unhappy ending was the logical conclusion. Especially considering F/Z's ending is "locked in" by virtue of it being a prequel, that's hardly logical to turn around and assume that it's the result of a failed attempt at realism.

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