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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 6 2014, 09:34 AM (14,619 Views) | |
| Saturos | Feb 12 2016, 01:51 AM Post #221 |
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Shadow, do you have a source for that? I've heard something like that before, but I'm curious what the slant is. Also, if you're going to keep repeating that but insist on being ignorant about the context or about everything else Zoe Quinn or Gamergate, that's prety irresponsible, I think. http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/article/2015/04/28/gamergate/ Just saw this article, which is an interview and article with Quinn's crazy ex-boyfriend, who might actually indeed be a psychopath. >_> |
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| Nell | Feb 12 2016, 02:25 AM Post #222 |
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Not even. Jizzstorm, maybe. |
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| Crash | Feb 12 2016, 02:25 AM Post #223 |
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Ah, Shadow, you're referring to the Fine Young Capitalists thing. Needless to say that was a bunch of bullshit and exaggeration on gamergate's part to convince themselves they were justified in harassing Quinn. I'll explain it best I can remember. This group was trying to run an event that would have been a game jam for women to design a video game. (A game jam is basically where a bunch of developers all spend a few days making small games or experiments based around an agreed-upon theme. Sometimes these are a way for someone to test out new ideas, or improve their programming skills, or collaborate with peers to make something together, or just spend a few days working on something small just to take a break from whatever their big project at the time is.) Part of their plan was to make it sort of a competition, and they would pick the game they liked the most and try to make a full-fledged game out of it. Then they were gonna donate some proceeds from sales of the full game to organizations dedicated to growing the number of women in tech industries or something. Problem was the organization was kinda shady, having literally not existed before announcing this event, and also they had a rule that was exclusionary toward transgender women. Zoe Quinn was one of the more prominent people to first notice and point this out. Criticism toward TFYC grew until they eventually changed the rule a bit, but people still had problems with it, and they decided to delay the event until later. All of this happened before Gamergate began. So once Gamergate started and these guys were digging into Quinn's past to justify their vile behavior, they found this incident and exaggerated it completely. Then they decided to donate a bunch of money toward TFYC so they could run their event. They did this both out of spite for Quinn, and also so they could say they were "donating thousands of dollars to charity" even though TFYC are not a charity, they were only promising to donate profits from their game to possible charities. Of course it turned out that they were indeed shady as hell. For further reading, check this post as well as this one (which is written by Quinn herself, but is extremely well-sourced). With the donations 4chan gave them, TFYC did in fact make a game that a woman designed (note however she did not work on programming or anything else, she just came up with the concept). It's called Afterlife Empire, and current estimates are that it sold 5000 copies total. So even after saying that they support women in games, Gamergate and 4chan couldn't even support the game they donated so much money toward getting made in the first place. Apparently the game itself is alright but has a good amount of bugs. The concept seems to be similar to the Sega Genesis game Haunting: Starring Polterguy. |
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| Sundancer | Feb 12 2016, 03:04 AM Post #224 |
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Whoa my god, Matthew Rappard is ... something else. The Quinn post is [radio edit]ing well-done. And really, I mean, a group literally called "The Fine Young Capitalists" doesn't scream empowerment of marginalized folk in any arena to me. >_> I am impressed with the... what I hope is tongue-in-cheek irony of calling themselves this while also claiming to be radical feminists. I don't think they know what radical feminism is. I'm glad they seem to have managed to fulfill their basic promise and all, but wow, that is some shady shit going on there. Why are they in Toronto? Ugh. Get out. |
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| Momentime | Feb 12 2016, 12:57 PM Post #225 |
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Satty - Not necessarily. From what I understand by and large this was more isolated than anything else involving the whole gamergate thing. Sure, I didn't get Zoe's side of the story but I don't think I need the whole timeline of everything gamergate. Nell - uh, ok. idk what you're talking about but ok crash - So I got through the first blog but Zoe's post is... pretty damn long. So it turns out that the whole thing was essentially a scam and the GG guys fell for it hook line and sinker. I think I'm only up to like a 1/4 or 1/3 of Zoe's post but so far she does seem reasonable person. And I checked out the game, it looks like a really shitty app store game. Like, terrible. Also, apparently /v/ wanted the proceeds to go to Colon Cancer Alliance, ahahahaha. That's hilarious. |
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| Sundancer | Feb 12 2016, 04:01 PM Post #226 |
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I believe she may be referencing the fact that Quinn I think was literally sent photos of herself that self-professed GGers had jizzed on, as a form of harassment. Probably good that Crash brought up Zoe's side of the story then, given it seems there was some heavy willful misinterpretation going on in regards to the contest, in part especially by and for Gamergaters, too. |
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| Nell | Feb 12 2016, 04:05 PM Post #227 |
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That does seem to be the recurring theme |
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| Momentime | Feb 12 2016, 04:25 PM Post #228 |
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If that's true then ew man that shit's nasty. And pretty strange tbh, that's even wierder than sending a dick pic. So I guess Zoe's not gonna be a part of the industry anymore. Sucks for her. Nell, right now you're coming off as passive aggressive. If you're trying to say shit, then say shit, I'm not a baby. |
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| Necare | Feb 12 2016, 04:34 PM Post #229 |
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I think she's being pretty clear; you haven't followed the events so comments like the one she made are going to go over your head because you're not going to know what she's referring to.
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| Nell | Feb 12 2016, 04:50 PM Post #230 |
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For clarity, I was echoing the point that Satty made earlier:
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| Crash | Feb 12 2016, 04:53 PM Post #231 |
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Pretty sure she's still making games, she's just done pursuing legal action because it has only made her life more difficult, with no real returns for her efforts spent. |
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| Momentime | Feb 12 2016, 06:14 PM Post #232 |
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then why even mention it if you know i don't know about it and have no intention of looking |
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| Sundancer | Feb 12 2016, 07:07 PM Post #233 |
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Maybe because it's frustrating to try and have a thorough discussion about an issue while somebody wilfully ignorant of context seems determined to add their two cents in the form of badly sourced claims that perpetuate the toxic culture this whole issue brought greater awareness to? Re: "Sucks for her" well, that's one way to put it. It's also a disheartening reminder that there's a lot that needs to change when it comes to our various legal systems (which almost certainly all have gaps in this matter no matter where you're from, honestly) and the ways they attempt to (or don't) address online harassment and stalking/threatening behaviour through different mediums. Not to mention the usual concerns about women's roles in gaming and gaming culture. |
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| Nell | Feb 12 2016, 07:16 PM Post #234 |
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I live in hope |
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| Saturos | Feb 12 2016, 07:30 PM Post #235 |
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[mic drop intensifies] |
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| Momentime | Feb 12 2016, 09:22 PM Post #236 |
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You know, there is a way to go about it without acting like a bunch of stuck up smartasses. What the hell was even the point of bringing up jizzstorm then? What kind of point did you want to make, that I was an idiot for not paying attention to this? Could have just said to look it up if I wanted to participate but nope, it's much more fun to walk people around in circles. If this is really how you act all the time then it's no wonder people are toxic, nobody wants to deal with that shit. |
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| Saturos | Feb 12 2016, 09:38 PM Post #237 |
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Well Shads, you made a point of saying that you didn't want to know any more of the facts or information surrounding the issue - to your credit you did read the two things on the other thing, so that's fine. And then you said that you're not a baby, so if people want to say something just say it. And then when people do, you act surprised and say we're acting like stuck-up smartasses? Maybe "jizzstorm" would've made you go "wait, what" and then read the original article in reference, considering that's a pretty clickbait hook. I do apologize for the mic drop comment, but Sundancer is right. You definitely have a right to not read, but if you keep repeating only one (incorrect) side of the argument and steadfastly refuse to get more information, you're a part of the problem. If you didn't listen last time we told you to read it, why would you listen if we told you again to look it up to get it? At some point it's on you, man. |
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| Sundancer | Feb 12 2016, 09:58 PM Post #238 |
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It is nobody's job to educate you. Be that as it is, plenty of sources had been provided in topic, and like with most conversations, those involved either read the sources before commenting on them extensively or indicated where they had and did not engage. I can see, as Satty said, that you did this with some later posts that came along, but also continued to comment on things that would've seemed pretty apparent if you'd been following along what we were working with at the time. I am genuinely confused and want to ask, do you make it a point to enter into protracted discussions about serious and often divisive issues with a very cursory knowledge of what has transpired, and continue to try and hold conversation on said subjects while also saying you aren't interested in learning more? Generally speaking, if I find something uninteresting or can't engage at the moment, I choose not to and leave. Or I stay quiet and listen. Also, when/if you do so, people are receptive to this behaviour? I can't speak for others, but I spoke plainly to you. Please point out where anything I said was "walk[ing you] in circles" (please do not act as if other people have taken similar issue thus far, or have been similarly confused as you profess to be). I was descriptive of what happened, which is what you asked for. If this seems like shit that you cannot deal with, then I can understand that, but I would not necessarily say that anybody here did anything in terms of tone that was not already an established precedent. After all, your own tone to open your engagement with the conversation at hand was quite dismissive; did you expect others not to respond in kind? |
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| Sundancer | Mar 5 2016, 05:45 AM Post #239 |
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So apparently this is a thing now. I'm very very confused about the basis of this particular argument (though it's important to keep in mind what the article says, about taking more note of the tactics involved and underlying discourses vs. the particular groups involved and so on)... it seems people are upset... that... content in FE is being censored/altered for localization reasons e.g. taking out sexual aspects? Which, yes, I've read a bit about. But... they're... attacking a woman with no involvement (no surprise here, outspoken women are always attacked for daring to have a voice) on the basis of... that... she... is a defender of pedophilia, which itself is a major misreading of an essay she wrote in college? So... "We're mad we didn't get this sexy thing so we're going to attack you for supporting the wrong kind of sexy thing, even though it's likely the sexy things we're mad we didn't receive overlap with the sort of undesirable sexy things we are accusing you of supporting"??? Am I majorly misunderstanding the details here. |
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| Saturos | Mar 5 2016, 07:43 AM Post #240 |
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Wow, the butthurt over Fates is reaching magnitudes I did not expect. Or rather, what I should have expected, given who's involved. Pretty great article, but that whole situation is pretty . . . |
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