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The sound and the fury; a.k.a. squee liveblogs madoka
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Dracobolt	Aug 6 2014, 10:31 PM Post #81
Incorrigible Posts: 72,032 Group: Kid Squid Member #25 Joined: September 11, 2005 Gender: Female Blog: Creative Contemplation and Random Rumination Country: #226# True Name: Braco the Magnificent Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMhvS8oGXQU	Well, we can touch base and compare schedules on Skype some time. =) I'm pretty flexible so long as it doesn't keep me up late on a work night.



HyrulianJedi	Aug 6 2014, 10:54 PM Post #82
uguu~ Posts: 7,500 Group: Clanless Member #116 Joined: November 2, 2006 Gender: Girl Blog: I Hate Blogs Country: #0#	The Phantom Squee Aug 6 2014, 09:09 PM -I definitely got the impression of somebody who claims to be over their past hardships, but puts up a tough front because she's really not over it. This actually is exactly the case. It never comes up in the anime, but Kyouko's primary magic is illusion magic. After her family's death, though, she developed a mental block about the whole thing and pretty much locked away her ability to use it.



Gilgamesh	Aug 6 2014, 11:13 PM Post #83
solbowz Aurarius Posts: 33,599 Group: Venus Clan Member #380 Joined: October 3, 2008 Gender: King of Heroes Blog: Shattered Symbosis Country: #226# True Name: Space Boyd Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h6lFNXzC1g	based Squee



The Phantom Squee	Aug 6 2014, 11:48 PM Post #84
Sound the horn and call the cry: "How many of them can we make die?" Posts: 17,970 Group: Jupiter Clan Member #169 Joined: April 13, 2007 Blog: Tastes Like Homebrew Country: #0# True Name: Squee Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5KvMSVnafE	HyrulianJedi Aug 6 2014, 10:54 PM The Phantom Squee Aug 6 2014, 09:09 PM -I definitely got the impression of somebody who claims to be over their past hardships, but puts up a tough front because she's really not over it. This actually is exactly the case. It never comes up in the anime, but Kyouko's primary magic is illusion magic. After her family's death, though, she developed a mental block about the whole thing and pretty much locked away her ability to use it. Huh, neat bit of trivia. It makes sense for that to be the case too, considering the nature of her wish.



Saturos	Aug 7 2014, 06:33 AM Post #85
heart-under-blade Posts: 36,354 Group: Iris Member #2 Joined: March 20, 2005 Gender: Male Country: #0# True Name: Saturos Theme Song: https://youtu.be/mh5vyvMGhqE	Quote: [1:55:21 AM] Squee: This bar has The Creation of Adam on the wall [1:55:23 AM] Squee: lolwhat because man and God are about to meet, you know? or at least, Godoka and Homura 8D my biggest nitpick here is Boyd describing and explaining what's about to happen before Squee gets to that part it's like jfc let the man watch his show I actually think it is more deep than DEEP and I'm willing to go through it and analyze stuff/answer questions with you if you want, but I think you might be willfully ignoring/missing a lot of subtext. If you don't care though, I don't mind. Also, Madoka-as-Christ, thoughts? (as critique of Sayaka's worldly chivalry, Kyouko, and Homura's worldly selfishness) And yeah, I'm curious what you'll think of Rebellion. xP



Gilgamesh	Aug 7 2014, 07:14 AM Post #86
solbowz Aurarius Posts: 33,599 Group: Venus Clan Member #380 Joined: October 3, 2008 Gender: King of Heroes Blog: Shattered Symbosis Country: #226# True Name: Space Boyd Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h6lFNXzC1g	I had thought he was spoiled of everything already and kept forgetting he wasn't completely spoiled on some things.



Dracobolt	Aug 7 2014, 07:50 AM Post #87
Incorrigible Posts: 72,032 Group: Kid Squid Member #25 Joined: September 11, 2005 Gender: Female Blog: Creative Contemplation and Random Rumination Country: #226# True Name: Braco the Magnificent Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMhvS8oGXQU	Since Squee didn't hate best girl, I'm at peace with his thoughts on the show. :3



Seoulbowz	Aug 7 2014, 10:00 AM Post #88
Supergeil Posts: 19,233 Group: Sol Clan Member #54 Joined: May 28, 2006 Blog: Edeka Country: #79# True Name: Friedrich Liechtenstein Theme Song: https://youtu.be/jxVcgDMBU94	Oh, is it time for shitposting already?



Dracobolt	Aug 7 2014, 10:02 AM Post #89
Incorrigible Posts: 72,032 Group: Kid Squid Member #25 Joined: September 11, 2005 Gender: Female Blog: Creative Contemplation and Random Rumination Country: #226# True Name: Braco the Magnificent Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMhvS8oGXQU	This is Temple; it's always that time.



The Sin Thesis	Aug 7 2014, 10:18 AM Post #90
Posts: 3,397 Group: Jupiter Clan Member #314 Joined: March 9, 2008 Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0la5DBtOVNI	The Phantom Squee Aug 6 2014, 09:09 PM -Fell in love with a Madoka she hardly knew, put that Madoka on a pedestal, and tried to groom subsequent Madokas into being just like her idealized version. -I'm reminded of a phrase somebody used to describe Vriska, but applies here as well: "The purpose of her character is to do precisely what is necessary, for all the wrong reasons, in the worst manner possible." These are actually reasons I like Homura as a character. You don't get tragic characters in this medium and genre nearly at all. She took a childhood crush/loyalty formed during a time of emotional weakness to an extreme. Her efforts achieved results that are measurably better than the outset, but in a way that doesn't signify any kind of emotional stability. I've seen Sayakas and Kyoukos. The Idealist vs the Cynic is nothing new. Mami is basically Obi Wan. Madoka is more of a blank slate that the other, more interesting characters orbit around. You can draw Kiritsugu/Homura comparisons, but Homura is more complete as a tragic figure. I have to disagree about the grooming part, though. Her goal wasn't to change Madoka in any way other than the fact that she either dies a terrible death or (comes close to) witching out.



The Phantom Squee	Aug 7 2014, 03:07 PM Post #91
Sound the horn and call the cry: "How many of them can we make die?" Posts: 17,970 Group: Jupiter Clan Member #169 Joined: April 13, 2007 Blog: Tastes Like Homebrew Country: #0# True Name: Squee Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5KvMSVnafE	Saturos http://forum.templeofkraden.com/single/?p=8719665&t=7426591 Quote: [1:55:21 AM] Squee: This bar has The Creation of Adam on the wall [1:55:23 AM] Squee: lolwhat because man and God are about to meet, you know? or at least, Godoka and Homura 8D my biggest nitpick here is Boyd describing and explaining what's about to happen before Squee gets to that part it's like jfc let the man watch his show I actually think it is more deep than DEEP and I'm willing to go through it and analyze stuff/answer questions with you if you want, but I think you might be willfully ignoring/missing a lot of subtext. If you don't care though, I don't mind. Also, Madoka-as-Christ, thoughts? (as critique of Sayaka's worldly chivalry, Kyouko, and Homura's worldly selfishness) And yeah, I'm curious what you'll think of Rebellion. xP See, I don't mind, but taking this tack gives me the impression that you're just going to go on about how I don't geeeeeeeeet it, or I'm just looking for reasons not to like it. Messianic archetype is messianic. I liked it, but I didn't see anything special about the way it was pulled off, aside from the fact that it felt a lot more organic than most instances of it I've seen. Which is nice, don't get me wrong--I'd rather see this than "oh she's just inherently loving and kind we'll never do anything with this" any day. The Sin Thesis http://forum.templeofkraden.com/single/?p=8719680&t=7426591 The Phantom Squee Aug 6 2014, 09:09 PM -Fell in love with a Madoka she hardly knew, put that Madoka on a pedestal, and tried to groom subsequent Madokas into being just like her idealized version. -I'm reminded of a phrase somebody used to describe Vriska, but applies here as well: "The purpose of her character is to do precisely what is necessary, for all the wrong reasons, in the worst manner possible." These are actually reasons I like Homura as a character. You don't get tragic characters in this medium and genre nearly at all. She took a childhood crush/loyalty formed during a time of emotional weakness to an extreme. Her efforts achieved results that are measurably better than the outset, but in a way that doesn't signify any kind of emotional stability. I've seen Sayakas and Kyoukos. The Idealist vs the Cynic is nothing new. Mami is basically Obi Wan. Madoka is more of a blank slate that the other, more interesting characters orbit around. You can draw Kiritsugu/Homura comparisons, but Homura is more complete as a tragic figure. I have to disagree about the grooming part, though. Her goal wasn't to change Madoka in any way other than the fact that she either dies a terrible death or (comes close to) witching out. Fair enough. What I hate about a character, you can like about them. I could not in good conscience call either Kiritsugu or Homura "more complete" than the other. There are too many parallels and neither, I think, was executed with much grace. But those deaths were all informed by Madoka's nature. She either sacrifices herself for the good of the world, or becomes a witch after expending all her magical energy to make sure Walpurgisnacht is destroyed. Homura was attempting to avert both of those while keeping Madoka's personality close enough to the high ideal she had set for her, paradoxically requiring Madoka to make a selfish decision when it mattered most and going against her nature.



The Sin Thesis	Aug 7 2014, 08:46 PM Post #92
Posts: 3,397 Group: Jupiter Clan Member #314 Joined: March 9, 2008 Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0la5DBtOVNI	Spoiler: click to toggle When I say more complete, I mean that her background, end personality and the world she exists in all tie together much more cleanly than in Kiritsugu's case. Kiritsugu's outlook and stance on his setting largely boil down to "the world sucks and magic users need to be killed sometimes," which ultimately causes him to rebel against what he sees. The source of Homura's power, the direct cause of her angst, the thing that dulled her moeblobness, the thing she fights with (as in she both quarrels with and wields it), and her ultimate enemy are all the same mechanic and person, really. Kiritsugu's is a less focused "people are often dicks, and sometimes those dicks have magic; here's a dick, kick it in the balls."



The Phantom Squee	Aug 8 2014, 02:08 AM Post #93
Sound the horn and call the cry: "How many of them can we make die?" Posts: 17,970 Group: Jupiter Clan Member #169 Joined: April 13, 2007 Blog: Tastes Like Homebrew Country: #0# True Name: Squee Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5KvMSVnafE	Okay ngl I laughed at that description and not in a condescending, disagreeable way.



The Phantom Squee	Aug 17 2014, 08:40 PM Post #94
Sound the horn and call the cry: "How many of them can we make die?" Posts: 17,970 Group: Jupiter Clan Member #169 Joined: April 13, 2007 Blog: Tastes Like Homebrew Country: #0# True Name: Squee Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5KvMSVnafE	Rebellion, take 1: Quote: ThePhantomSquee: I'm already confused, I don't know what this "law of the universe" or whatever is supposed to be Necare: aw come on Reil: STAB HIM IN THE BUTT Necare: SEE Dracobolt: LoC is what M does in 12 Necare: not even squee gets i Dracobolt: Necare, I will stream the show for you so we can watch together. Peo: Why would you do this right before bed for me Reil: The law is Madoka Reil: Madoka is law Reil: Madoka is life Dracobolt: Madoka is life Dracobolt: Madoka is waif-u Peo: Now I'm never gonna get to sleep at a reasonable hour Dracobolt: Hiiii, Peo! Peo: Hello Draco~ Peo: Is this the last episode or...? Necare: this is Disney on acid Reil: This is Lachesis: The movie. Reil: Rebellion Dracobolt: This is the movie, nublord. Peo: aaaaah Reil: the 3rd moviwe ThePhantomSquee: this uh Peo: I was gonna say, I don't remember this scene ThePhantomSquee: doesn't seem to mesh with the show's ending Dracobolt: Shhhh Lachesis: Sure it does! Reil: ikr ThePhantomSquee: I guess we'll see momentarily Dracobolt: Musical number! Reil: 'momentarily' Lachesis: Yes. "Momentarily." ThePhantomSquee: what the * is going on Dracobolt: 8D Lachesis: food party Peo: They had Madoka figurines at the anime store, Draco. Necare: that turkey looked like a zombie brain Reil: POTLUCK Lachesis: Also best girl Lachesis: Hitching a ride Lachesis: (walking is for plebs) Peo: jesus Peo: This is more 2deep4me than RahXephon Peo: oh thank * it's a dream Peo: FOR NOW ThePhantomSquee: ALL A DREAM Reil: GOOD MORNING Dracobolt: Anyone who's seen it, no spoilers or warning about what will come. Dracobolt: I want to see their pure reactions. Lachesis: [redacted] Lachesis: [heavily redacted] Necare: whoa that was dramatic Peo: I was expecting her to be dead Reil: Madoka's going to be short Reil: forever Reil: if her mom's any indication Dracobolt: Her pops is tall, though. It'd mak funny future art for Madoka to tower over the ohers. XP Necare: is Madoka voiced by a young male VA Reil: wat Dracobolt: wat Reil: that's like the opposite of how things go in voice acting Necare: it totally sounds like a young boy trying to sound like a girl Necare: and yes I am aware of that Dracobolt: lolllllllllllllllllll Reil: are you sure Necare: yes Reil: you don't know very young eunuchs ThePhantomSquee: my guess at the moment is that we're seeing yet another alternate timeline Reil: and mistake them for boys Necare: as far as you know Dracobolt: yesssthe toast thing Dracobolt: oh man the lyrics for the op Reil: RUNNING WITH TOAST Lachesis: Oh right Draco is host and therefore a few seconds ahead. Reil: this one didn't sub the song Dracobolt: whoops i am ahead Dracobolt: i keep forgetting Lachesis: A few seconds, yeah. Dracobolt: It's so good. Reil: WHY ARE YOU ENJOYING YOURSELVES Dracobolt: hnnnngh sad feelings Lachesis: But I do remember it throwing me off a lot when Chrono was streaming YU. Reil: I AM HOMURA Reil: EVERYBODY DANCE Dracobolt: Is Homu angst a spoiler? ThePhantomSquee: never Lachesis: Being Homu is suffering, that's established. Reil: HOMURA IS NOT DANCING Peo: She looks like a shrimp compared to the rest of them Peo: Is she just sitting Reil: DO THE MONKEY Lachesis: It would be a spoiler if she /didn't/ suffer. Reil: The pot luck Reil: was delicious Necare: they cut to that ring like three times in five seconds Dracobolt: It's Important. Reil: they're trying to short-hand establish Necare: yeah I got that Reil: "This is a magical girl" Lachesis: You'd know why, Necare Lachesis: If you /watched the series/ Lachesis: why are you still here Necare: maybe I will Necare: it's on Netflix Lachesis: you'll ruin everything for yourself Reil: gtfo Dracobolt: Necare pls Necare: I just have other things to do Necare: like play Dork Souls Reil: then go do them Reil: instead of spoiling Rebellion Reil: :U Dracobolt: I want to know your opinion on it, unsullied by spoilers or having to justify those opinions. Lachesis: why hasn't he been kicked Necare: I am omnipotent ThePhantomSquee: lol mayan apocalypse Dracobolt: Because I believe in free will and choice. Dracobolt: Order and stability over desire. Reil: Nakazawaaaa Necare: wow this teacher is * nuts Reil: higher in popularity polls than kyousuke Lachesis: Fine then, Necare can stay and spoil everything for himself Dracobolt: Nakazawa best Lachesis: Thereby invalidating every opinion on the series he might eventually have. Dracobolt: Okay, Necare, bye-bye! 8D ThePhantomSquee: yeah she's off her rocker ThePhantomSquee: seriously wtf Peo: Um. She's certainly a lot more expressive than I remember in the anime. Necaree Reil: lol Dracobolt: Uh... Reil: fail ThePhantomSquee: INTRODUCING ThePhantomSquee: THE WORST CHARACTER Dracobolt: Moemura! Reil: Homura 4 best character Dracobolt: Okay, okay. Dracobolt: The Phantom Squee stays quiet Reil: FROZEN Dracobolt: Let it go? Dracobolt: Oh. Dracobolt: Is it back? Reil: naitomeaa Quote: playing now Lachesis: we've entered an endless recursion in Mami already knowing ThePhantomSquee: and pausing again ThePhantomSquee: MAMI KNOWS ThePhantomSquee: SHE HUNGERS ThePhantomSquee: FOR KEKI Dracobolt: Round cake? Lachesis: "Cake" Lachesis: Ohohoho [redacted] Quote: Lachesis: As demonstrated in ep 11, Homura. Attack power: Negligible. ThePhantomSquee: also lol they sound like they're talking about RPG stats in this scene Lachesis: (WPN cheats) Reil: Is Sayaka their tank, then? ThePhantomSquee: if she is she's a pretty * tank ThePhantomSquee: dying in every timeline Dracobolt: doki doki Reil: That's the tank's job Reil: absorb all the damages Lachesis: Mami is their ridiculous burst damage. Lachesis: ...or possibly general DPS. Either way, she hits hard. ThePhantomSquee: yes but they have to survive absorbing all that damage ThePhantomSquee: clearly their healer is slacking Reil: What's that make Kyouko? off-tank? And then the rest is postponed because weather is making Draco's connection bad. RIP Draco's internet.



Gilgamesh	Aug 17 2014, 09:13 PM Post #95
solbowz Aurarius Posts: 33,599 Group: Venus Clan Member #380 Joined: October 3, 2008 Gender: King of Heroes Blog: Shattered Symbosis Country: #226# True Name: Space Boyd Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h6lFNXzC1g	>aoi yuki sounds like a boy omfg get rekt peytral



The Phantom Squee	Aug 22 2014, 11:47 PM Post #96
Sound the horn and call the cry: "How many of them can we make die?" Posts: 17,970 Group: Jupiter Clan Member #169 Joined: April 13, 2007 Blog: Tastes Like Homebrew Country: #0# True Name: Squee Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5KvMSVnafE	TAKE 2 Discovered after the fact that Livestream eats old messages, so no log this time. Actually completed the movie though. In lieu of actual log I give you my first words upon being added to meguca chat Quote: [12:23:28 AM] Squee: well that was [12:23:58 AM] Squee: an hour and a half of abstract symbolic BS followed by about 15 minutes of sense followed by more abstract symbolic BS



Gilgamesh	Aug 23 2014, 12:19 AM Post #97
solbowz Aurarius Posts: 33,599 Group: Venus Clan Member #380 Joined: October 3, 2008 Gender: King of Heroes Blog: Shattered Symbosis Country: #226# True Name: Space Boyd Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h6lFNXzC1g	But Homura vs Mami was great, right?



Seoulbowz	Aug 23 2014, 12:24 AM Post #98
Supergeil Posts: 19,233 Group: Sol Clan Member #54 Joined: May 28, 2006 Blog: Edeka Country: #79# True Name: Friedrich Liechtenstein Theme Song: https://youtu.be/jxVcgDMBU94	I'm not sure there was even 15 minutes of sense.



The Phantom Squee	Aug 23 2014, 12:34 AM Post #99
Sound the horn and call the cry: "How many of them can we make die?" Posts: 17,970 Group: Jupiter Clan Member #169 Joined: April 13, 2007 Blog: Tastes Like Homebrew Country: #0# True Name: Squee Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5KvMSVnafE	Gilgamesh Aug 23 2014, 12:19 AM But Homura vs Mami was great, right? Yeah, it was pretty impressive. Probably one of the more standout moments of the series for me.



Gilgamesh	Aug 23 2014, 12:40 AM Post #100
solbowz Aurarius Posts: 33,599 Group: Venus Clan Member #380 Joined: October 3, 2008 Gender: King of Heroes Blog: Shattered Symbosis Country: #226# True Name: Space Boyd Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h6lFNXzC1g	Also so how much grief is meguca chat giving you for not liking the movie and/or ending?

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