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The sound and the fury; a.k.a. squee liveblogs madoka
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Saturos	Aug 4 2014, 09:14 AM Post #61
heart-under-blade Posts: 36,354 Group: Iris Member #2 Joined: March 20, 2005 Gender: Male Country: #0# True Name: Saturos Theme Song: https://youtu.be/mh5vyvMGhqE	Mireia Aug 4 2014, 07:26 AM The Phantom Squee http://forum.templeofkraden.com/single/?p=8719098&t=7426591 Oh, it's nothing too bad, just some stuff about how "little girls should be content with their place in society and not ambitious," that sort of thing. Kinda gives the impression that the show is supposed to about girls getting their just desserts for daring to rise above their station. Eh... If that's true, that's still pretty bad. I know, I know, "death of the author," but it would color the series in an unpleasant light. Given the Faust story basically says exactly that (don't be too ambitious, and especially don't be selfishly ambitious), I definitely don't think it's a girl thing exactly, moreso a general human thing. I like to think of the "only girls can be magical girls" as just a dumb/contrived in-universe justification for it being a magical girl show. muh writing flaws Either that, or as Kyle said teenage boys are taught to suppress their emotion instead by society, so you don't get the phase change from hope to despair that's necessary.



HyrulianJedi	Aug 4 2014, 10:28 AM Post #62
uguu~ Posts: 7,500 Group: Clanless Member #116 Joined: November 2, 2006 Gender: Girl Blog: I Hate Blogs Country: #0#	And when you do, it's catastrophic. ...goddammit why do I have the feeling I'll be writing that when rumble ends



The Phantom Squee	Aug 6 2014, 01:16 AM Post #63
Sound the horn and call the cry: "How many of them can we make die?" Posts: 17,970 Group: Jupiter Clan Member #169 Joined: April 13, 2007 Blog: Tastes Like Homebrew Country: #0# True Name: Squee Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5KvMSVnafE	Time to power through episodes 11 and 12! Quote: [1:26:33 AM] Squee: dammit, when kyubey said he had figured out why madoka was so powerful, I thought we were going to get an actual answer [1:26:36 AM] Squee: not "destiny lol" [1:26:44 AM] Kyle: you did [1:26:54 AM] Kyle: or maybe they didn't give it fully yet [1:27:05 AM] Squee: maybe it hasn't happened yet [1:27:20 AM] Kyle: I don't remember when the actual explanation is [1:27:22 AM] Squee: literally all he said was "she's destined to endure suffering, so she gets power in compensation" [1:27:27 AM] Kyle: oh, no [1:27:30 AM] Kyle: that's not it Quote: [1:28:19 AM] Squee: oh, okay, it was literally a few seconds later [1:28:37 AM] Squee: at least it's his theory, which may or may not be true [1:28:39 AM] Squee: (it probably is) [1:28:46 AM] Chrono Ivan: Madoka is waifu on a tier that theoretically shouldn't be possible [1:29:01 AM] Squee: homura literally ruins everything [1:29:35 AM] Squee: also lol @ kyubey's face expanding as he leans in to answer [1:29:44 AM] Squee: the intent was probably creepy but instead it was just kind of comical Quote: [1:31:13 AM] Squee: HAHA HOMURA YOU [radio edit]ED ALL THE THINGS UP Quote: [1:32:14 AM] Chrono Ivan: Kyubey is only creepy because he says the most unbeleivable shit with a straight face [1:32:18 AM] Chrono Ivan: and yes [1:32:22 AM] Chrono Ivan: Homura ruined everything forever [1:32:56 AM \| Edited 1:33:04 AM] Squee: and then flash plugin crashes [1:32:59 AM] Squee: [radio edit] this computer [1:33:07 AM] Kyle: more like [1:33:12 AM] Kyle: Homura [radio edit]ed up your computer [1:33:16 AM] Kyle: 8D [1:33:20 AM] Squee: Thanks Homura [1:33:45 AM] Kyle: here, have this while you get back, in the spirit of rumble http://turkish-phantom.deviantart.com/art/Majora-of-Carim-463802698 [1:34:31 AM \| Edited 1:34:34 AM] Squee: I would probably appreciate this more if I'd played Majora's Mask [1:34:44 AM] Kyle: or read rumble [1:34:51 AM] Squee: or that [1:35:27 AM] Squee: I can't help that half of it is pretentious teal deer that has nothing to do with my characters Quote: [1:36:34 AM] Squee: I'm glad to see we're actually getting some closure to Sayaka's plotline [1:36:46 AM] Squee: instead of just leaving it at "she dead lol" and moving on Quote: [1:46:43 AM] Squee: I feel like this stuff about incubators going way back in history is [1:46:54 AM] Doge the Wow-Crusher: muh illuminati plots [1:47:01 AM] Squee: kind of unnecessary and trying too hard to tie into history [1:47:04 AM] Doge the Wow-Crusher: muh ancient conspiracies [1:47:48 AM] Jackal: Catherine the Great was meguca [1:47:53 AM] Jackal: Anne Boleyn? meguca [1:48:15 AM] Squee: and kyubey initiates an acid trip [1:48:18 AM] Jackal: Princess Pingyang? meguca [1:48:25 AM] Jackal: obligatory China reference Quote: [1:49:44 AM] Squee: kyubey continues to not understand individuality [1:50:10 AM] Squee: I feel like the Incubators would make a really good episode-of-the-week alien in Star Trek Quote: [1:51:20 AM] Squee: "If we hadn't come here you'd still be living in caves" [1:51:21 AM] Squee: >implying [1:51:45 AM] Graeme Lewis: On 8/6/14, at 12:50 AM, Squee wrote: > I feel like the Incubators would make a really good episode-of-the-week alien in Star Trek You mean like how every fifth episode of TOS had energy beings? [1:51:50 AM] Squee: yes [1:52:47 AM] Squee: I'd especially like to see Spock interact with them, considering both come from races lacking in emotions but have different opinions on emotion itself. Quote: [1:55:21 AM] Squee: This bar has The Creation of Adam on the wall [1:55:23 AM] Squee: lolwhat Quote: [1:58:24 AM] Squee: homura you are lying through your teeth [1:58:33 AM] Squee: about being able to handle Walpurgisnacht [1:58:40 AM] Squee: not that I can blame her for this one [1:59:40 AM] Squee: and madoka sees through her bullshit, prompting a SHAFT TILT Quote: [2:03:29 AM] Squee: You know, not knowing Homura's backstory, I'd probably think she had just snapped from stress after a confession like that [2:03:52 AM] Squee: (I still thinks she's snapped from stress, just not in the same sense) [2:04:40 AM \| Edited 2:04:48 AM] Squee: nice to actually see people actually responding to all this ominous weather [2:05:10 AM] Squee: as opposed to disregarding dangerous weather policies entirely [2:06:29 AM] Squee: HAIR FLIP [2:06:32 AM] Squee: Squee drinks



The Phantom Squee	Aug 6 2014, 02:31 AM Post #64
Sound the horn and call the cry: "How many of them can we make die?" Posts: 17,970 Group: Jupiter Clan Member #169 Joined: April 13, 2007 Blog: Tastes Like Homebrew Country: #0# True Name: Squee Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5KvMSVnafE	Quote: [2:16:12 AM] Squee: Okay, episode 12! [2:16:21 AM] Boydgamesh: inb4 the ending [2:16:58 AM] Squee: 11 was honestly kind of bland to me [2:17:03 AM] Squee: I guess because it's all lead-up to 12 [2:17:13 AM] Squee: which is fine, I totally understand that [2:18:23 AM] Boydgamesh: homu's weapons were pretty neat though and walpurgis has a pretty good ost at least [2:19:34 AM] Squee: They were interesting enough, yeah [2:19:59 AM] Squee: Lots of fluctuating competence levels, but I'm willing to give that a little leeway since climactic battle [2:22:11 AM] Squee: Honestly though I have trouble believe Homura's supposedly such a weak magical girl [2:22:31 AM] Squee: time powers are hax no matter how you look at it, and she certainly hasn't gotten the worst of them [2:22:48 AM] Boydgamesh: oh she's just "weak" in the amount of magical power she actually has [2:22:51 AM] Boydgamesh: her power itself is broken yeah [2:23:09 AM] Boydgamesh: like let's say that she has time hax but like a magic stat of like D to Mami's A or something [2:23:11 AM] Boydgamesh: something like that [2:24:13 AM] Squee: powerlevels are bullshit anyway [2:24:15 AM] Boydgamesh: she's also less versatile, like Mami having ribbons as a base power but then learning to make them into guns, etc [2:24:32 AM] Boydgamesh: Homura's got time stop and her bag of holding and that's it, she never learned to adapt her powers into more [2:24:35 AM] Boydgamesh: not that she needs more [2:24:51 AM] Chrono Ivan: Homura's magic is basically just 'she can stop time and do whatever a normal girl with a bag of holding can do during that time' [2:25:06 AM] Chrono Ivan: Mami's magic is 'turn ribbons into [radio edit]ing anything and blow shit up before it even knows she's there' [2:25:08 AM] Boydgamesh: put another way she's "weak" because her magic isn't offensive yeah [2:25:18 AM] Squee: which is [2:25:22 AM] Squee: still a bullshit designation [2:25:28 AM] Squee: but yeah, I get the idea [2:25:41 AM] Chrono Ivan: I think they also mean weak in that [2:25:50 AM] Squee: It's not as though, say [2:25:50 AM] Chrono Ivan: Homura probably has a way lower floor [2:25:51 AM] Squee: comics [2:25:53 AM] Chrono Ivan: before her gem goes dark [2:25:55 AM] Chrono Ivan: or did have [2:25:57 AM] Squee: are any better about powerlevels [2:25:58 AM] Boydgamesh: yeah "low magical power" is a better way to say it then than "weak" [2:26:13 AM] Boydgamesh: oh yeah what Chrono said, maybe she has lower MP too [2:26:27 AM] Chrono Ivan: otherwise she'd have spammed it constantly [2:26:43 AM] Chrono Ivan: like spending subjective days under the clock Quote: [2:29:36 AM] Squee: "If someone tells me they're wrong, I'll tell them they're wrong, countless times." [2:29:41 AM] Squee: 4chan in a nutshell [2:30:02 AM] Boydgamesh: s/4chan/peytral and solbowz Quote: [2:32:12 AM] Squee: I can't hear this witch laugh without thinking [2:32:15 AM] Squee: HUEHUEHUEHUEHUE Quote: [2:34:36 AM] Squee: okay the fact that there are like [2:34:45 AM] Squee: magical girls in third-world countries [2:34:52 AM] Squee: and shit like that [2:34:53 AM] Jackal: is bullshit? [2:34:55 AM] Squee: is actually really cool [2:34:57 AM] Jackal: oh [2:35:15 AM] Chrono Ivan: Being Syrian is suffering [2:35:17 AM] Kyle: lel [2:35:18 AM] Squee: I would watch the [radio edit] out of a show about a magical girl in Africa [2:35:31 AM] Squee: with no access to technology or any of that stuff [2:35:45 AM] Boydgamesh: "I want the magic to defeat poachers" I would watch Rhino!magical girl [2:35:47 AM] Squee: and see how this sort of thing is handled in a more tribal social structure [2:36:25 AM] Squee: "My spirit animal is a hippo. Don't laugh, these mother[radio edit]ers are responsible for more deaths annually than sharks." [2:37:28 AM] Squee: (I don't know if that's actually true, but I do know that hippos are vicious and extremely nearsighted, and kill more people annually than you'd think) [2:37:44 AM] Jackal: I think I've heard the shark thing Quote: [2:38:16 AM] Squee: omg was that a viking magical girl [2:38:18 AM] Squee: MORE OF HER PLS [2:39:07 AM] Boydgamesh: I'm pretty sure at the very least hippos get the most kills anually of large african mammals [2:39:08 AM] Squee: oh woah is she actually traveling through time in this bit [2:39:11 AM] Squee: that's neat [2:39:16 AM] Jackal: Are you [2:39:17 AM] Jackal: actually [2:39:19 AM] Jackal: having fun? [2:39:34 AM] Squee: It was good enough for Adnarel, it's good enough for me [2:39:43 AM] Boydgamesh: this is Madoka's work anyways, it's not gonna make him stop hating homu at least [2:39:56 AM] Jackal: and if adnarel found shoving a dick up his ass to be good enough, would you do it? [2:40:08 AM] Boydgamesh: if Squee wanted to see what it was like to be gay, probably [2:40:42 AM] Squee: ^ only in that case [2:40:52 AM] Squee: Also if she undid all witches retroactively [2:41:02 AM] Squee: is this going to return everybody else to life [2:41:16 AM] Boydgamesh: the girls that died as witches, yeah [2:41:26 AM] Jackal: rip Mami [2:41:29 AM] Jackal: rip Kyouko [2:41:32 AM] Boydgamesh: no [2:41:33 AM] Chrono Ivan: no one likes mami [2:41:35 AM] Boydgamesh: they died to a witch [2:41:39 AM] Boydgamesh: so their deaths got retconned [2:41:42 AM] Boydgamesh: so yeah most everyone [2:41:44 AM] Squee: [radio edit] [2:42:01 AM] Chrono Ivan: spider land on your face? [2:42:04 AM] Boydgamesh: wait I got that backwards [2:42:05 AM] Squee: no [2:42:13 AM] Boydgamesh: if they became a witch they're still dead, but if they died TO one they're back [2:42:22 AM] Squee: I'm reacting to the fact that we don't get Mami and Kyouko back [2:42:23 AM] Squee: oh [2:42:29 AM] Squee: well [2:42:30 AM] Squee: still [2:42:34 AM] Boydgamesh: because instead of becoming witches other stuff just happens instead [2:42:36 AM] Squee: that's [2:42:37 AM] Squee: dumb [2:42:39 AM] Jackal: rip Sayaka [2:42:54 AM] Boydgamesh: so yeah, Mami and Kyouko are alive, Sayaka's still dead Quote: [2:43:16 AM] Squee: Homura wakes up in an empty white plain [2:43:23 AM] Squee: is this end of evangelion [2:43:38 AM] Jackal: I'm sorry, Squee [2:43:41 AM] Jackal: we didn't know how to tell you [2:43:44 AM] Jackal: so we, uh [2:43:45 AM] Jackal: didn't [2:43:52 AM] Squee: you bastard [2:44:22 AM] Boydgamesh: oh yeah you're at the trippy naked space lesbians part [2:44:43 AM] Squee: holy shit her soul gem is a comet [2:44:47 AM] Squee: that's metal as [radio edit] Quote: [2:45:13 AM] Chrono Ivan: SPLIT YOUR LUNGS WITH BLOOD AND THUNDER [2:45:18 AM] Chrono Ivan: WHEN YOU SEEK THE PINK GIRL [2:45:31 AM] Chrono Ivan: BREAK YOUR WEAPONS AND CRACK YOUR GEMS GIRLS [2:45:34 AM] Chrono Ivan: IF YOU WISH TO PREVAIL [2:45:42 AM] Chrono Ivan: THIS EBON JEWL IS WHAT PROPELS ME [2:45:42 AM] Jackal: http://www.gocomics.com/thatababy [2:45:49 AM] Chrono Ivan: SHEILDS THRUST IN THE SKY! [2:45:51 AM] Chrono Ivan: I forget the rest [2:45:56 AM] Squee: oh so homura's on the moon [2:45:57 AM] Squee: okay [2:46:10 AM] Squee: that makes sense [2:46:17 AM] Boydgamesh: trippy [2:46:17 AM] Boydgamesh: space [2:46:18 AM] Boydgamesh: lesbians [2:46:25 AM] Jackal: Harpoons thrust in the sky aim directly for his crooked brow and look him straight in the eye [2:46:26 AM] Jackal: there, Chrono [2:46:51 AM] Chrono Ivan: if there's a way to rhyme grail with madoka I don't know it [2:47:11 AM] Squee: you could slant rhyme it with "girl" [2:47:11 AM] Chrono Ivan: however MASTADONMURA [2:47:29 AM] Chrono Ivan: would probably be Kiryuin Satsuki [2:47:41 AM] Chrono Ivan: shit those two have a lot in common designwise Quote: [2:47:43 AM] Squee: There's 15 more minutes left in the episode, how the [radio edit] are they going to fill those [2:47:54 AM] Boydgamesh: trippy stuff+epilogue Quote: [2:50:46 AM] Squee: yeah you motorboat that 14-year-old rack homura [2:50:50 AM] Squee: NAKED [2:50:51 AM] Squee: SPACE [2:50:52 AM] Squee: LESBIANS [2:51:18 AM] Chrono Ivan: AotY [2:51:19 AM] Kyle: don't be jealous [2:51:30 AM] Squee: excuse u hj [2:51:32 AM] Squee: I am not a pedo [2:51:39 AM] Chrono Ivan: the fact that fanart does [2:51:40 AM] Chrono Ivan: things [2:51:47 AM] Chrono Ivan: or official art [2:51:51 AM] Chrono Ivan: symmetrical docking [2:51:51 AM] Squee: I would not know about that [2:51:54 AM] Squee: the fanart, that is Quote: [2:52:43 AM] Squee: "To think I had such a great friend" You mean a controlling stalker who didn't want you to have any free will? [2:53:12 AM] Chrono Ivan: He's gonna love Rebellion [2:53:17 AM] Boydgamesh: she's aware of all the past timeline homuras at this point [2:53:21 AM] Boydgamesh: some of them were more friend and less stalker [2:53:47 AM] Jackal: but some were more stalker and less friend [2:53:47 AM] Boydgamesh: er it's all one Homura but w/e [2:53:50 AM \| Edited 2:54:04 AM] Boydgamesh: well yes [2:53:50 AM] Jackal: and that's what matters [2:53:51 AM] Boydgamesh: like the current one [2:53:54 AM \| Edited 2:54:08 AM] Boydgamesh: silvy's waifu [2:53:57 AM] Boydgamesh: I can't spell anymore [2:54:04 AM] Jackal: waifu* [2:54:47 AM] Squee: loses her clothes, but keeps her hair ribbons [2:54:48 AM] Squee: ANIME [2:55:04 AM] Chrono Ivan: A N I M E [2:55:04 AM] Kyle: [2:52 AM] Squee: <<< didn't want you to have any free willI don't think this matters much when the choice leads pretty explicitly to death [2:55:31 AM] Kyle: like you wouldn't shit on someone for taking away their friend's free will by stopping them from killing themself [2:56:22 AM] Squee: If it was as simple as them putting a gun to their head, no [2:56:47 AM] Squee: But if they were choosing to sacrifice themselves to exterminate a threat to the world? Absolutely. [2:56:59 AM] Kyle: but that's exactly what Homura's trying to avoid [2:57:05 AM] Jackal: well [radio edit] her [2:57:07 AM] Jackal: she's a bitch [2:57:07 AM] Kyle: she's trying to eliminate that choice entirely [2:57:25 AM] Kyle: and eliminate any need for Madoka to contract [2:57:26 AM] Squee: And doing a piss-poor job of it [2:57:29 AM] Kyle: well yes [2:57:37 AM] Kyle: if she was doing a good job of it, there wouldn't be a show to watch [2:57:41 AM] Chrono Ivan: she's 14 [2:57:43 AM] Chrono Ivan: or was [2:57:55 AM] Squee: also no, she's pretty much trying to eliminate madoka's free will [2:57:58 AM] Chrono Ivan: now she's some kind of monster with a 14 year old's face [2:57:58 AM] Kyle: what [2:58:03 AM] Squee: she's in love with the concept of madoka, not madoka herself [2:58:19 AM] Squee: After seeing her in the first timeline, she's put her on a pedestal [2:58:27 AM] Kyle: no no, go back, I want to hear about how madoka's free will is gone [2:58:44 AM] Kyle: because she doesn't want her to suicide by contract [2:58:53 AM] Squee: I mean unless she lets this particular decision stand [2:59:03 AM] Kyle: wait are you not finished [2:59:04 AM] Squee: but based on what I've heard of Rebellion [2:59:09 AM] Squee: that's not the case [2:59:16 AM] Squee: not just yet, no [2:59:16 AM] Kyle: squee [2:59:36 AM] Kyle: you have a terrible, terrible habit of trying to use things you haven't seen to argue something off hearsay [2:59:48 AM] Squee: thank you for your input [2:59:58 AM] Chrono Ivan: hj pls [2:59:59 AM] Chrono Ivan: let it [3:00:01 AM] Chrono Ivan: sink in [3:00:01 AM] Chrono Ivan: for awhile [3:00:02 AM] Kyle: like I'm not even talking about rebellion [3:00:25 AM] Chrono Ivan: everyone's opinion after the finale changes in a week [3:00:37 AM] Kyle: rebellion's a whole different shitstorm [3:00:53 AM] Chrono Ivan: all you're doing is saying 'no your subjective interpretation is objectively wrong' [3:00:59 AM] Chrono Ivan: 'because waifus' [3:01:14 AM] Boydgamesh: this conversation amuses me [3:01:27 AM] Kyle: no, I'm saying you can't try to retroactively apply knowledge you don't really have to events that happen previously [3:01:58 AM] Jackal: fight, fight, fight! [3:02:09 AM] Kyle: jackal pls [3:02:29 AM] Chrono Ivan: wasn't jumping down his throat the one thing [3:02:31 AM] Chrono Ivan: we promised we wouldn't do [3:02:37 AM] Squee: Oh hey, irrelevant green-haired girl is back [3:02:39 AM] Chrono Ivan: and here we are, jumping down his throat [3:02:45 AM] Squee: lol, like anyone cares about her [3:02:47 AM] Chrono Ivan: because he reached a conclusion we don't like [3:02:52 AM] Jackal: "we" [3:02:53 AM] Chrono Ivan: [3:02:58 AM] Chrono Ivan: well HJ doesn't [3:03:09 AM] Chrono Ivan: I don't care, Homura is Skeletor [3:03:17 AM] Kyle: it's not a matter of disliking it, I don't care if he hates homura [3:03:30 AM] Kyle: same way I don't care that boyd hates her [3:04:08 AM] Kyle: but if you're going to hate her for things that aren't true, then yeah, I'm gonna contest those points [3:04:22 AM] Squee: I'm pretty sure they don't usually allow girlfriends backstage at juries [3:04:25 AM] Chrono Ivan: oh lol in rumble 4 [3:04:27 AM] Chrono Ivan: BOYD had Madoka [3:04:30 AM] Squee: also, let me have my bad opinions [3:04:32 AM] Chrono Ivan: what a strange universe [3:04:33 AM] Kyle: yeah [3:04:48 AM] Squee: if I watch future stuff and change them, great [3:04:49 AM] Boydgamesh: shhhhhh [3:05:00 AM] Chrono Ivan: I'm not letting you live this down boyd [3:05:04 AM \| Edited 3:05:06 AM] Squee: if I don't, you can be content in the knowledge that you're right and I'm wrong [3:05:46 AM] Kyle: my point is more that you're trying to judge the show based on things you've heard about the movie [3:05:54 AM] Kyle: which is objectively a dumb thing to do [3:06:07 AM] Squee: [3:05 AM] Squee: <<< you can be content in the knowledge that you're right and I'm wrong [3:06:16 AM] Kyle: pls go [3:06:27 AM] Squee: Squee goes [3:06:29 AM] Squee: to bed [3:06:33 AM \| Edited 3:06:34 AM] Squee: once this is over [3:06:55 AM] Squee: I'll have proper thoughts once I've slept on it anyway Quote: [3:10:04 AM] Squee: oh lol even with the laws of reality rewritten, Sayaka still can't escape a horrible fate [3:10:31 AM] Squee: sayaka you are too paladin for your own good Quote: [3:12:02 AM] Squee: Madoka's little brother is apparently immunne to the laws of reality being rewritten [3:12:13 AM] Squee: I guess Madoka excluded him because of reasons [3:12:21 AM] Chrono Ivan: No, they said in an interview he's actually trolling Homura [3:12:41 AM] Chrono Ivan: (or DID THEY) [3:12:51 AM] Squee: "Is she a character from an anime or something?" [3:12:53 AM] Squee: 2 [3:12:54 AM] Squee: DEEP [3:13:03 AM] Squee: no but really that was a funny bit of meta [3:13:53 AM] Kyle: the creator said that he "remembers" madoka as an invisible friend, but as he grows up, the memory will disappear [3:13:55 AM] Kyle: or something [3:14:21 AM] Squee: I guess that makes sense [3:14:24 AM] Squee: in a weird kind of way Quote: [3:16:40 AM] Squee: So according to kyubey, witches are, in fact, no longer a thing [3:17:00 AM] Squee: What's the point of magical girls still existing, then? [3:17:04 AM] Chrono Ivan: Chrono Ivan is in memory lane shut up [3:17:40 AM] Boydgamesh: there are other things they have to fight now called Wraiths [3:17:45 AM] Squee: Oh, he mentions something about demons [3:17:49 AM] Squee: I guess that's what it is [3:18:01 AM] Graeme Lewis: Evil will never die [3:18:06 AM] Squee: maybe that's the same as wraiths [3:18:12 AM] Squee: but with a different translation [3:18:17 AM] Boydgamesh: I could also be remembering wrong, either way [3:18:22 AM \| Edited 3:18:27 AM] Squee: Naturally, without evil good would be meaningless [3:18:43 AM] Chrono Ivan: good and evil are just words, bunnies always win [3:18:45 AM] Kyle: p sure the official translation is wraith, yes [3:18:45 AM] Graeme Lewis: It's like Satan once sang: "Without evil there can be no good, so it must be good to be evil sometimes" Quote: [3:20:55 AM] Squee: what is homura even throwing at kyubey [3:20:59 AM] Squee: it looks like bits of rubble [3:21:07 AM] Kyle: not!grief seeds [3:21:17 AM] Squee: I don't understand this [3:21:22 AM] Squee: maybe I had too much to drink [3:21:22 AM] Kyle: no one really does [3:21:33 AM] Kyle: they never explain wtf is up with the wraiths [3:21:50 AM] Squee: oh well [3:21:59 AM] Squee: I assume they wouldn't be too different from witches anyway [3:22:01 AM] Squee: evil finds a way [3:22:36 AM] Kyle: p much the only difference is that wraiths don't come from magical girls, assumedly [3:22:44 AM] Kyle: they just kinda...idk, spawn? [3:23:28 AM] Squee: probably spontaneous manifestations of despair or something [3:23:57 AM] Squee: I assume Rebellion doesn't concern itself with that stuff [3:25:26 AM] Squee: and homura has a bow now apparently [3:25:28 AM] Squee: okay then [3:25:36 AM] Squee: laws of reality rewritten, etc. [3:25:52 AM] Squee: I suppose it's not out of the question to assume madoka could rewrite homura's powerlevels to be different [3:28:42 AM] Squee: and now Homura has angel wings [3:28:44 AM] Kyle: there's been a lot of discussion between us about that [3:28:45 AM] Squee: muh symbolism [3:29:01 AM] Kyle: and how Madoka rewriting the world changed Homura's wish (and thus, her powers) [3:29:23 AM] Squee: I guess it's one of those things that'll never be fully clear, then [3:29:48 AM] Kyle: pretty much everything after Madoka resets shit is vague and never explained much, yeah [3:30:43 AM] Squee: Okay, immediate assessment, not great, but also agreed with adnarel that it wasn't a waste of time. [3:31:13 AM] Squee: 2deep and kind of meandering, but the first and last few episodes at least were genuinely good. [3:31:22 AM] Squee: Will probably have more to say tomorrow after I've slept on it.



Dracobolt	Aug 6 2014, 11:43 AM Post #65
Incorrigible Posts: 72,032 Group: Kid Squid Member #25 Joined: September 11, 2005 Gender: Female Blog: Creative Contemplation and Random Rumination Country: #226# True Name: Braco the Magnificent Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMhvS8oGXQU	Acceptable. Also, yes, I'm curious to see what you'd think of Rebellion, if you can force yourself through it.



Seoulbowz	Aug 6 2014, 11:58 AM Post #66
Supergeil Posts: 19,233 Group: Sol Clan Member #54 Joined: May 28, 2006 Blog: Edeka Country: #79# True Name: Friedrich Liechtenstein Theme Song: https://youtu.be/jxVcgDMBU94	HJ getting butthurt was the best part of this whole topic.



simplechild	Aug 6 2014, 12:10 PM Post #67
My only feel is murder Posts: 12,119 Group: Fori Member #115 Joined: October 30, 2006 Gender: Burning Blog: What's All This, Then? Country: 'Nam. True Name: simplechild	Bowz Aug 6 2014, 11:58 AM HJ getting butthurt was the best part of this whole topic. There was probably a better way to phrase that entire thing, yeah.



HyrulianJedi	Aug 6 2014, 03:11 PM Post #68
uguu~ Posts: 7,500 Group: Clanless Member #116 Joined: November 2, 2006 Gender: Girl Blog: I Hate Blogs Country: #0#	I get butthurt around false statements, yes.



simplechild	Aug 6 2014, 03:12 PM Post #69
My only feel is murder Posts: 12,119 Group: Fori Member #115 Joined: October 30, 2006 Gender: Burning Blog: What's All This, Then? Country: 'Nam. True Name: simplechild	HyrulianJedi Aug 6 2014, 03:11 PM I get butthurt around false statements, yes. Like I said, maybe there was a better way to phrase that.



HyrulianJedi	Aug 6 2014, 03:22 PM Post #70
uguu~ Posts: 7,500 Group: Clanless Member #116 Joined: November 2, 2006 Gender: Girl Blog: I Hate Blogs Country: #0#	Yeah, like, I fully support not liking Homura because she made a stupid wish/is obsessed unhealthily with Madoka/has no ability to cope with loss/etc. But the idea that she's inhibiting Madoka's free will (to an inappropriate extent) in the series is very, very clearly an extension of external information that's mean to be a development, not a constant.



The Phantom Squee	Aug 6 2014, 03:51 PM Post #71
Sound the horn and call the cry: "How many of them can we make die?" Posts: 17,970 Group: Jupiter Clan Member #169 Joined: April 13, 2007 Blog: Tastes Like Homebrew Country: #0# True Name: Squee Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5KvMSVnafE



simplechild	Aug 6 2014, 03:52 PM Post #72
My only feel is murder Posts: 12,119 Group: Fori Member #115 Joined: October 30, 2006 Gender: Burning Blog: What's All This, Then? Country: 'Nam. True Name: simplechild	So from what I understand, you don't want him making conclusions that aren't true... yet. What is the difference?



HyrulianJedi	Aug 6 2014, 04:13 PM Post #73
uguu~ Posts: 7,500 Group: Clanless Member #116 Joined: November 2, 2006 Gender: Girl Blog: I Hate Blogs Country: #0#	Rebellion spoilers Because one of the main points about Homura's character is how she changes because of her loyalty/obsession with Madoka. Taking the ultimate stage of her development and trying to retroactively apply her mentality there throughout her past isn't accurate at all. Akuma is a product of Homura's experiences/faults, not the source of them.



The Sin Thesis	Aug 6 2014, 07:59 PM Post #74
Posts: 3,397 Group: Jupiter Clan Member #314 Joined: March 9, 2008 Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0la5DBtOVNI	QFT you have a terrible, terrible habit of trying to use things you haven't seen to argue something off hearsay also this [2:41:33 AM] Chrono Ivan: no one likes mami Primary differences between Wraiths and Witches are that wraiths aren't former magical girls, and that wraiths are inherently inferior in terms of harvest potential. And apparently trying to make sure someone doesn't do something stupid == removal of free will, lol.



Dracobolt	Aug 6 2014, 08:07 PM Post #75
Incorrigible Posts: 72,032 Group: Kid Squid Member #25 Joined: September 11, 2005 Gender: Female Blog: Creative Contemplation and Random Rumination Country: #226# True Name: Braco the Magnificent Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMhvS8oGXQU	The Sin Thesis Aug 6 2014, 07:59 PM And apparently trying to make sure someone doesn't do something stupid == removal of free will, lol. If Homura had really wanted to remove Madoka's free will, she would have taken Chrono's suggestion and just literally kidnapped the girl for a month. That would have solved things (although the town would still be [radio edit]ed). 8D



The Phantom Squee	Aug 6 2014, 09:09 PM Post #76
Sound the horn and call the cry: "How many of them can we make die?" Posts: 17,970 Group: Jupiter Clan Member #169 Joined: April 13, 2007 Blog: Tastes Like Homebrew Country: #0# True Name: Squee Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5KvMSVnafE	ITT people gettin' mad because I insulted their waifu So, concluding thoughts: Overall -Like most anime I've watched, the beginning and ending were pretty interesting, but it lagged a bit in the middle. -Also like most anime I've watched, the supporting characters were far more interesting than the main ones. -Music was good. Could've used a little more variety instead of using one or two pieces over and over again, but still an outstanding soundtrack. -Inconsistent levels of competence everywhere. Mami was the worst offender, but pretty much everybody got the idiot ball at some point. -Not so much deep as DEEP. Plot was enjoyable enough as a story about the merits of waiting until you have all the facts before committing to something, didn't really need the heavy-handed DESPAIR stuff imo. -Still, a pretty solid anime. Definitely not the revolutionary, life-changing masterpiece I've seen people play it up as, more your standard 2deep deconstruction. But still enjoyable enough. Madoka -Liked her more than I thought I would. -She was characterized pretty well as hiding a sharp mind under a stereotypical "bubbly airhead" exterior. -Definitely not seeing the "oh she does nothing but cry" argument. -Not particularly interesting to me, but still a good character. Mami -Not much to say, she wasn't really around long enough to get a good feel for her character outside of her assumed role as mentor. -I liked her design well enough. -Best transformation music, etc. Homura -Controlling, emotionally manipulative stalker. -I have very little sympathy for her. -Fell in love with a Madoka she hardly knew, put that Madoka on a pedestal, and tried to groom subsequent Madokas into being just like her idealized version. -I'm reminded of a phrase somebody used to describe Vriska, but applies here as well: "The purpose of her character is to do precisely what is necessary, for all the wrong reasons, in the worst manner possible." - -deal with it waifufuzzy little man-peachs Kyouko -Obviously played up as an asshole from the start, so I wasn't very well-inclined toward her. -Her development was actually pretty logical and organic. -I definitely got the impression of somebody who claims to be over their past hardships, but puts up a tough front because she's really not over it. -Still didn't like her much for most of her presence. -Died of bullshit right when she was starting to get cool. -Seriously, I could maybe have bought it as a redemption thing if her relationship with Sayaka had had a few more episodes to develop, but as presented it just came across as her dooming everyone to death by Walpurgisnacht for poorly-established reasons. Sayaka -HERO OF JUSTICE/10 -For real though, she was probably the most interesting. -Too bad she can't catch a break even in a universe without witches. -Seriously, too paladin for her own good. -Managed to stay interesting and pretty complex even when it looked like she was going to turn into a caricature. Now, to see if I can find somewhere to watch Rebellion.



Dracobolt	Aug 6 2014, 09:17 PM Post #77
Incorrigible Posts: 72,032 Group: Kid Squid Member #25 Joined: September 11, 2005 Gender: Female Blog: Creative Contemplation and Random Rumination Country: #226# True Name: Braco the Magnificent Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMhvS8oGXQU	Squee, I will undertake the dreadful inconvenience of streaming Rebellion for you if I absolutely must. It will be a tiresome exercise, but I'll suffer through watching it for a fifth time if you need me to. 8D



The Phantom Squee	Aug 6 2014, 09:59 PM Post #78
Sound the horn and call the cry: "How many of them can we make die?" Posts: 17,970 Group: Jupiter Clan Member #169 Joined: April 13, 2007 Blog: Tastes Like Homebrew Country: #0# True Name: Squee Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5KvMSVnafE	I wouldn't mind watching it as part of a stream, sure. ~~Then I could bitch about it somewhere other than Skype.~~



Dracobolt	Aug 6 2014, 10:25 PM Post #79
Incorrigible Posts: 72,032 Group: Kid Squid Member #25 Joined: September 11, 2005 Gender: Female Blog: Creative Contemplation and Random Rumination Country: #226# True Name: Braco the Magnificent Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMhvS8oGXQU	I'd be up for streaming on Saturday, to throw that out there. I work until 2:15, and then I'm off until Monday. Just lemme know. =)



The Phantom Squee	Aug 6 2014, 10:27 PM Post #80
Sound the horn and call the cry: "How many of them can we make die?" Posts: 17,970 Group: Jupiter Clan Member #169 Joined: April 13, 2007 Blog: Tastes Like Homebrew Country: #0# True Name: Squee Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5KvMSVnafE	I'm kinda busy all day Saturday, unfortunately.

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