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somebody post in the thread so I can start the episode in a new post

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[11:42:54 PM] Squee: and now, we find ourselves once again
[11:42:58 PM] Squee: at the hour of megucas
[11:45:15 PM] Squee: somebody post in the thread so I can start the episode in a new post
[11:47:26 PM] Squee: Not even two minutes in and we've got Shaft tilt
[11:47:39 PM] Squee: This episode is gonna be deeeeeeeep
[11:48:24 PM] Squee: and Sayaka's hubris is showing
[11:48:29 PM] Squee: TRAGIC HERO GOOOOO

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[11:55:54 PM] Squee: Two SHAFT TILTS in the first 5 minutes
[11:55:57 PM] Squee: oh boy oh boy oh boy
[11:56:28 PM] Chrono Ivan: [shaft intensifies]
[11:57:13 PM] Squee: man even if I didn't already know what was going to happen
[11:57:15 PM] Squee: so many flags
[11:57:32 PM] Chrono Ivan: ep. 7?
[11:58:25 PM] Squee: 8
[11:58:42 PM] Squee: kyubey don't even pretend to be benevolent, you're the shittest of shits
[8/2/2014 11:59:53 PM] Squee: what the [radio edit] is this weird shadow moving back and forth on the wall of
[8/2/2014 11:59:58 PM] Squee: wherever the hell they are
[12:00:06 AM] Graeme Lewis: On 8/2/14, at 10:58 PM, Squee wrote:
> so many flags

Just make sure the ones you're hitting are the ones that get you the Good End
[12:00:08 AM] Squee: oh wait this is Homura's house isn't it
[12:00:18 AM] Squee: haha this is Madoka
[12:00:20 AM] Squee: there is no good end
[12:00:21 AM] Graeme Lewis: Trust me, Bad End can suck donkey balls if you get a bad enough one
[12:00:52 AM] Squee: DESPAIR

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[12:03:47 AM] Squee: and we don't even get to hear Sayaka's parents' voices when Madoka talks with them
[12:03:52 AM] Squee: this some Charlie Brown shit goin' on

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[12:07:35 AM] Squee: "I just want to help you, why won't you believe me?"
Maybe because you've been kind of a condescending asshole?
[12:09:44 AM] Chrono Ivan: who, Jenna with Teeth?
[12:09:49 AM] Chrono Ivan: or Homura
[12:09:50 AM] Chrono Ivan: or Kyubey
[12:09:52 AM] Chrono Ivan: ...or Madoka
[12:10:09 AM] Chrono Ivan: PMMM: Where everyone shits on Sayaka
[12:10:09 AM] Squee: Homura
[12:10:35 AM] Squee: Who else is a condescending asshole who would occasionally try to help someone?
[12:10:43 AM] Chrono Ivan: Early Kyouko
[12:11:00 AM] Squee: The condescending asshole part, sure
[12:11:04 AM] Squee: not so much with the helping part
[12:11:07 AM] Squee: imo
[12:11:22 AM] Chrono Ivan: oh sure, just because her help is horrible and a human rights violation
[12:11:33 AM] Squee: :y
[12:11:34 AM] Chrono Ivan: check your moral privledge you cishethuman scum

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[12:14:28 AM] Squee: black-and-white shots with lots of chiaroscuro and some guys being misogynistic in the background
[12:14:37 AM] Squee: that's how you know this episode is ~deep~

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[12:19:07 AM] Squee: oh shit, kyubey just got
[12:19:08 AM] Squee: [radio edit]ed
[12:19:09 AM] Squee: up
[12:19:18 AM] Squee: that was actually amazing
[12:19:29 AM] Sadique: bang
[12:19:31 AM] Chrono Ivan: haha
[12:19:35 AM] Chrono Ivan: yeah
[12:19:45 AM] Chrono Ivan: that is def rewarding
[12:19:48 AM] Squee: I'd be interested to know how Homura managed to make a dozen simultaneous bullet wounds with a single gun though
[12:19:56 AM] Squee: even with time hax, you'd think there'd be *some* delay
[12:21:01 AM] Sadique: There's a specific way it works
[12:21:06 AM] Sadique: That will be illustrated in a couple episodes.
[12:21:09 AM] Chrono Ivan: shush you
[12:21:14 AM] Chrono Ivan: let him think Homura is bullshit
[12:21:41 AM] Squee: I'm having a little trouble sympathizing for Homura in her breakdown
[12:22:04 AM] Squee: gee
[12:22:05 AM] Squee: I wonder why

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wow what the [radio edit] kyubey
[12:23:30 AM] Squee: the little cat ferret thing just cannibalized its own corpse
[12:23:33 AM] Squee: what the actual [radio edit]
[12:23:53 AM] Sadique: Well it would be a waste of energy to just let it rot...
[12:23:59 AM] Chrono Ivan: Madoka!
[12:24:10 AM] Chrono Ivan: he's not a ferret
[12:24:11 AM] Chrono Ivan: he's a bunnycat
[12:24:19 AM] Doge the Wow-Crusher: it's a 2deep4u musical reference
[12:25:21 AM] Squee: I should kick you for that

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And we open up with Sayaka the musically-themed witch
[12:42:53 AM] Squee: the music represents her love, I guess
[12:43:44 AM] Doge the Wow-Crusher: It represents music
[12:43:47 AM] Doge the Wow-Crusher: what the [radio edit] are you
[12:43:50 AM] Doge the Wow-Crusher: dumb
[12:44:14 AM] Squee: apparently
[12:44:32 AM] Squee: madoka is 2deep4me
[12:45:01 AM] Doge the Wow-Crusher: [radio edit]ing deconstructionfuzzy little man-peach won't shut the [radio edit] up about deconstructions god I hate you deconstructionfuzzy little man-peachs and your goddamn deconstructions deconstructions deconstructions deconstructions SHUT THE [radio edit] UP ABOUT DECONSTRUCTIONS I SWEAR
[12:45:19 AM] Admiral Miral: did you not notice the mermaid part?
[12:45:47 AM] Squee: nope
[12:45:48 AM] Admiral Miral: It's okay Peytral
[12:45:58 AM] Admiral Miral: Umineko started baby's first deconstruction
[12:46:03 AM] Doge the Wow-Crusher: It represents Under the Sea
[12:46:05 AM] Admiral Miral: and then Madoka spread it everywhere
[12:46:17 AM] Squee: Deconstructions are overrated, any old asshole can take a thing apart and say "look, pieces!"
[12:46:39 AM] Doge the Wow-Crusher: LOOK AT HOW UNIQUE I AM BY LAMPSHADING THESE THINGS
[12:46:43 AM] Doge the Wow-Crusher: I'M SO INTELLIGENT
[12:47:08 AM] Admiral Miral: more like
[12:47:13 AM] Admiral Miral: WHOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAA
[12:47:18 AM] Admiral Miral: IT'S A MAGICAL GIRL SHOW
[12:47:20 AM] Admiral Miral: BUT PEOPLE DIE
[12:47:24 AM] Admiral Miral: I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT BEFORE
[12:47:24 AM] Doge the Wow-Crusher: O M F G
[12:47:29 AM] Doge the Wow-Crusher: BEST ANIME EBARRRRRRRRR
[12:47:30 AM] Squee: and homura continues to show a completely unsurprising lack of empathy for anybody who isn't madoka
[12:47:36 AM] Admiral Miral: (don't tell anyone that the only magical girl show I've seen is Sailor Moon when I was 10)

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[12:58:46 AM] Squee: and now homura reveals what happens to a magical girl whose soul gem is corrupted
[12:59:00 AM] Squee: gee homura, this would have been really great information to have had oh, say
[12:59:02 AM] Squee: an episode ago
[12:59:34 AM] Squee: when Madoka could have used it to convince Sayaka to borrow a grief seed
[12:59:44 AM] Squee: since you know Sayaka won't listen to you, for perfectly justified reasons
[1:01:30 AM] Squee: clearly this is part of Homura's plot to eliminate the competition
[1:01:33 AM] Boydgamesh: homu can't into sayaka
[1:01:35 AM] Boydgamesh: never ever
[1:01:38 AM] Sadique: Kill all of them.
[1:01:41 AM] Sadique: Have Madoka all to herself.
[1:01:46 AM] Sadique: And Mitakihara.
ALL NEW MAGICAL GIRLS MUST SUBMIT TO THEIR HOMULORD
[1:02:06 AM] Sadique: OR BE MERCILESSLY CUT DOWN
[1:02:11 AM] Sadique: AND IN DOING SO SHE SHALL CREATE A PARADISE
[1:02:12 AM] Sadique: FOR HER WAIFU
[1:02:13 AM | Edited 1:02:18 AM] Squee: more like homolord amirite
[1:02:28 AM] Doge the Wow-Crusher: kek
[1:03:25 AM] Boydgamesh: ...it's not even exagerrating since we're talking about Homura

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[1:04:35 AM] Squee: At least Kyouko has the sense to be pissed off at Homura for keeping this secret
[1:04:44 AM] Squee: four for you, Glen Kyouko
[1:06:00 AM] Squee: HAIR FLIP
[1:06:07 AM] Squee: Squee drinks
[1:06:30 AM] Admiral Miral: You turned Madoka into a drinking game?
[1:06:32 AM] Admiral Miral: what are the rules?
[1:07:05 AM] Admiral Miral: Hair flip, head tilt, homura looks at the camera only for it to transition to another scene?
[1:07:58 AM] Squee: Only hair flip and head tilt so far
[1:08:26 AM] Squee: I'm thinking "Homura shows a total lack of empathy at inappropriate times" as a potential addition.
[1:09:00 AM] Doge the Wow-Crusher: And your liver as a potential subtraction.
[1:10:08 AM] Squee: pls, I have the constitution of a viking
[1:10:43 AM] Doge the Wow-Crusher: And Homura has the empathy of an autistic robot.
[1:10:46 AM] Squee: and now kyubey shows a woefully incomplete understand of the laws of thermodynamics
[1:11:11 AM] Squee: energy cannot be created or destroyed, mother[radio edit]er
[1:11:25 AM] Doge the Wow-Crusher: Magic.
[1:11:53 AM] Boydgamesh: leaving aside lack of research or just not bothering since laypeople are dumb, it's also possible that he dumbed it down because Madoka is like 5
[1:12:39 AM] Squee: dumbing it down is not the same as outright lying
[1:12:49 AM] Squee: also why the hell is madoka's room full of chairs
[1:12:58 AM] Boydgamesh: either/or
[1:13:01 AM] Boydgamesh: and because shaft
[1:13:07 AM] Squee: wasn't there another anime where a circle of chairs played a major role or something
[1:13:23 AM] Doge the Wow-Crusher: I know Bokurano had one.

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[1:14:06 AM] Squee: So according to kyubey, emotional energy increases as one grows
[1:14:22 AM] Squee: That being the case, wouldn't it be awfully inefficient to use youth?
[1:14:35 AM] Boydgamesh: he needs wild, unstable emotions
[1:14:39 AM] Boydgamesh: aka teenage girls
[1:14:47 AM] Hinoa: Perhaps he means "as the person is growing"
[1:14:53 AM] Hinoa: Hinoa shrug
[1:15:01 AM] Squee: That would make sense I guess
[1:15:11 AM] Squee: and it's close enough that I could see that being a translation thing
[1:15:22 AM] Boydgamesh: That whole thing is very likely to be a handwave at both the ages of the magical girls and the fact that none of them are boys
[1:15:41 AM] Squee: I figured, yeah
[1:15:42 AM] Sadique: (real answer: incubators are lolicons)
[1:15:52 AM] Boydgamesh: hj pls
[1:15:59 AM] Sadique: If it was HJ, there's be boys too.
[1:16:07 AM] Hinoa: Lach has a point!
[1:16:26 AM] Boydgamesh: ...I'm surprised Draco didn't get up in arms about that being sexist
[1:16:41 AM] Boydgamesh: I'm pretty sure I remember Satty being all "pls" about it
[1:17:43 AM] Squee: Yeah teenage guys are definitely not lacking in the emotions and stupid decisions departments
[1:18:29 AM] Squee: kyubey's civlization can't understand the concept of deception
[1:18:34 AM] Squee: kyubey's civilization is dumb
[1:20:24 AM] Graeme Lewis: Kyubey needs to understand that of course Gandhi is going to provoke him into declaring war because these nukes aren't going to use themselves and he's far too "noble" to be the one to throw the first punch?
[1:22:08 AM] Chrono Ivan: Kyubey: is dumber than he thinks
[1:22:22 AM] Chrono Ivan: also the chair thing is yeah a ref to Bakemonogatari
[1:22:23 AM] Chrono Ivan: I think
[1:22:26 AM] Chrono Ivan: since chairs?
[1:22:30 AM] Chrono Ivan: were in that

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[1:29:09 AM] Squee: man kyubey, I really want to see what interactions between member of your species are like
[1:29:23 AM] Squee: if you blame poor decisions resulting from lies of omission on the other party
[1:29:52 AM] Graeme Lewis: There are no interactions between members of his species, because there is only one member of his species, hopping between different points in time. Just like the One Electron Universe theory.
[1:30:22 AM] Graeme Lewis: (nb I have no idea if this is canon or not but it would be awesome, imo, to have a species like that)
Asimov did it
[1:30:57 AM] Chrono Ivan: err I mean
[1:30:58 AM] Chrono Ivan: simpsons
[1:31:37 AM] Chrono Ivan: in one of his stories I mean there was a race of aliens that was just one mind telepathically linked
[1:31:49 AM] Chrono Ivan: I think that was the one where the explorers land on abandoned earth before the sun eats it

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[1:37:31 AM] Squee: all this stuff Kyubey is saying about his culture really reinforces why the prime directive is such an important concept in Trek
[1:38:09 AM] Graeme Lewis: Yeah, despite Kirk's frequent breaking of it, he also managed to get in a lot of cases where breaking it made things go absolutely tits-up.
[1:38:11 AM] Squee: "Let's just harvest a developing planet for emotional anti-entropy fuel"
[1:38:39 AM] Graeme Lewis: On 8/3/14, at 12:38 AM, Squee wrote: I'm not sure if that's better or worse than "This planet is inefficient. I know! The answer is Naziism!"

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[1:46:28 AM] Squee: You can tell Kyouko doesn't really believe all this stuff she's saying about possibly saving Sayaka
[1:47:07 AM] Squee: frankly as much as I prefer her now to the way she was before, the process of her development felt pretty forced
[1:48:35 AM] Boydgamesh: that's how you can tell Sayaka's plot is almost done and we're about to go to Homura
[1:49:50 AM] Squee: IT'S HOMURA TIME
[1:49:54 AM] Squee: NO UROBUCHI NO

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[1:51:19 AM] Squee: actually this arc raises another question
[1:51:32 AM] Squee: if witches are the result of a magical girl's soul gem being corrupted
[1:51:42 AM] Squee: and magical girls typically don't share jurisdiction over a city
[1:51:49 AM] Squee: where did all the ones they defeated before come from?
[1:52:09 AM] Chrono Ivan: familiars
[1:52:21 AM] Boydgamesh: earlier Kyouko said familiars become witches if you leave them alone, yeah
[1:52:23 AM] Chrono Ivan: also witches appear to roam far afield
[1:52:35 AM] Chrono Ivan: Sayaka's was
[1:52:44 AM] Chrono Ivan: in a totally different part of the city after 2 days
[1:52:45 AM] Squee: Sure, but the familiars appear to have the same aesthetic as the witch, don't they?
[1:52:50 AM] Chrono Ivan: yeah
[1:52:56 AM] Squee: All the ones we saw were different.
[1:53:01 AM] Squee: so that rules familiars out
[1:53:12 AM] Boydgamesh: they're probably/possibly older generations that fell
[1:53:13 AM] Squee: I guess the moving makes sense, but I don't know if that could account for so many
[1:53:26 AM] Squee: And nobody took them out until now? That I find hard to believe.
[1:53:34 AM] Chrono Ivan: they actually remark that Mitakihara's got an unusual amount of witches
[1:53:38 AM] Chrono Ivan: IIRC
[1:53:48 AM] Squee: oh, huh
[1:54:04 AM] Boydgamesh: probably a combination of all of those factors
[1:54:13 AM] Chrono Ivan: since you know
[1:54:18 AM] Boydgamesh: plus like let's say a meguka completely clears out her city of witches
[1:54:21 AM] Chrono Ivan: the Final Boss
[1:54:27 AM] Boydgamesh: she now has no grief seeds to farm so she dies
[1:54:31 AM] Chrono Ivan: is the Big Witch Festival where witches gather
[1:54:52 AM] Chrono Ivan: well that's true normally boyd
[1:54:59 AM] Chrono Ivan: but Mami was all about the extermination
[1:55:13 AM] Squee: [1:54 AM] Chrono Ivan:

<<< is the Big Witch Festival where witches gather
a folk metal concert?
[1:55:16 AM] Squee: =P
[1:55:18 AM] Chrono Ivan: I think Kyubey just contracts more bipolar girls
[1:55:32 AM] Chrono Ivan: to make up for it if some of the meguca are getting gud
[1:55:41 AM] Boydgamesh: Yeah I know she was, but a magical girl becoming a witch in a town devoid of other magical girls to kill her
[1:55:51 AM] Boydgamesh: would explain why they can survive to go to another town
[1:56:25 AM] Boydgamesh: ...or the witch could just kill all the magical girls in her area I guess
[1:56:32 AM] Chrono Ivan: remember, the more megucas you make, the more witches you get
[1:56:47 AM] Chrono Ivan: all of them are either going to die or flip out
[1:56:53 AM] Chrono Ivan: eventually
[1:57:24 AM] Boydgamesh: given how strong witches are (and how harmful they are left alone) I'm betting more die than become witches
[1:57:47 AM] Chrono Ivan: 'strong'
[1:57:55 AM] Chrono Ivan: Sayaka took out the box witch in one go
heck she even took out Elsa Maria alone
[1:58:16 AM] Boydgamesh: yeah okay point
[1:58:21 AM] Squee: My assumption was that they were variable strength
[1:58:28 AM] Chrono Ivan: p. much
[1:58:34 AM] Chrono Ivan: Homura even tries to warn Mami about Charlotte
[1:58:36 AM] Boydgamesh: stronger girl has a stronger witch
[1:58:43 AM] Squee: actually yeah, most of the witches have Germanic names, don't they?
[1:58:49 AM] Chrono Ivan: all of them do
[1:58:53 AM] Chrono Ivan: if you read the witchrunes
[1:58:53 AM] Squee: That would make sense with the traveling thing then
[1:58:55 AM] Chrono Ivan: like a weeb
[1:59:08 AM] Boydgamesh: witch name isn't the real name though
[1:59:12 AM] Squee: they end up there originating from- oh
[1:59:13 AM] Chrono Ivan: so yeah being a meguca is a lottery
[1:59:13 AM] Boydgamesh: Sayaka's witch isn't named Sayaka
[1:59:16 AM] Squee: oh right
[1:59:43 AM] Chrono Ivan: sometimes you win and sometimes a witch shows up who either has type advantage against your magic or just no sells everything and kills you
[2:00:03 AM] Boydgamesh: I don't think any witch is named in universe though, so it's probably just flavor
[2:00:07 AM] Boydgamesh: Walpurgisnacht aside
[2:01:01 AM] Squee: I guess it being a rock-paper-scissors thing makes more sense than powerlevels
[2:01:06 AM] Squee: since that's more how it works irl
[2:01:07 AM] Squee: but then
[2:01:11 AM] Squee: >making sense
[2:01:12 AM] Squee: >anime

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[2:05:22 AM] Squee: sayaka's witch power is wheel skeletons
[2:05:40 AM] Chrono Ivan: which is why it takes multiple megucas to beat her
[2:05:40 AM] Squee: please tell me there's an edit of the battle floating around where it fades into YOU DIED
[2:05:50 AM] Kyle: i wish
[2:06:08 AM] Kyle: it doesn't take multiple megucas to beat her
[2:06:16 AM] Kyle: it only ever takes one
[2:06:27 AM] Kyle: the one just changes
[2:06:29 AM] Squee: Clearly she's just gone mad from the power of having wheel skellies under her command

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[2:07:48 AM] Squee: they're laying the homoerotic imagery on pretty thick now
[2:08:06 AM] Squee: the madoka/homura lesbians I can buy, but this one, not so much
[2:08:48 AM] Kyle: which ones?
[2:09:29 AM] Squee: sayaka/kyouko
[2:10:34 AM] Squee: Oh, there's the mermaid imagery
[2:10:36 AM] Kyle: it's less lesbians imo and more "this is what I could have been"
[2:11:00 AM] Kyle: since kyouko was all about making the world a better place until shit got [radio edit]ed up
[2:11:07 AM] Kyle: she's basically a super-jaded sayaka
[2:11:31 AM] Kyle: there's a reason their plot arcs are combined
[2:11:33 AM] Squee: See that makes sense
[2:11:43 AM] Boydgamesh: (everyone wants them to be lesbians anyway)
[2:11:50 AM] Squee: it's fan interpretation that gave me the impression of- yeah
[2:11:53 AM] Kyle: well that doesn't stop shipping
[2:11:56 AM] Kyle: ofc
[2:11:58 AM] Kyle: but nothing does
[2:12:14 AM] Squee: naturally
[2:12:19 AM] Kyle: and imo, you can extend shipping from their interactions fairly reasonably
[2:12:24 AM] Kyle: it's not like
[2:12:25 AM] Kyle: say
[2:12:30 AM] Kyle: hermione/draco
[2:12:35 AM] Boydgamesh: well the main issue with that is like
[2:12:37 AM] Squee: Felix/Karst?
[2:12:39 AM] Boydgamesh: even if you put on shipping googles
[2:12:45 AM] Boydgamesh: it'd be all on Kyouko's side
[2:12:52 AM] Kyle: felix/karst isn't too improbable
[2:13:00 AM] Squee: it totally is
[2:13:02 AM] Kyle: if it's in the past
[2:13:04 AM] Boydgamesh: Sayaka's too focused on the husbando that never was
[2:13:09 AM] Squee: there's no indication at all of them having a relationship

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[2:15:04 AM] Boydgamesh: Squee: Not putting up with your meguca lesbian shipping bs

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[2:19:32 AM] Squee: Okay so if stronger girl = stronger witch, and Sayaka was pretty weak as magical girls go
[2:19:41 AM] Squee: why was it necessary for Kyouko to do all that to beat her
[2:19:51 AM] Squee: she should've been able to [radio edit] her up effortlessly
[2:20:03 AM] Boydgamesh: she kind of wanted to die
[2:20:12 AM] Kyle: she kind of wanted redemption
[2:20:13 AM] Chrono Ivan: Kyouko took a shitton of damage too
[2:20:24 AM] Boydgamesh: and didn't want Sayaka to die alone
[2:20:27 AM] Squee: but that's what I mean, she shouldn't have
[2:20:33 AM] Squee: this show is full of inconsistent competence
[2:20:34 AM] Chrono Ivan: also muh redemption
[2:20:54 AM] Squee: ugh
[2:20:58 AM] Chrono Ivan: yeah she decided to off herself
[2:21:00 AM] Kyle: a witch's strength may also be based off the emotional strength of the girl at her formation
[2:21:02 AM] Squee: she didn't need to redeem herself, she'd made her peace
[2:21:07 AM] Chrono Ivan: Kyubey even says 'that worked out perfectly'
[2:21:08 AM] Boydgamesh: there's an AU manga where Kyouko beats Oktavia without dying, so it's pretty canon that it was on purpose
[2:21:36 AM] Squee: dammit kyouko
[2:21:36 AM] Squee: you
[2:21:38 AM] Squee: drama queen
[2:21:54 AM] Squee: you were starting to be kind of cool too, and then you have to go and off yourself
[2:21:59 AM] Boydgamesh: we homu now
[2:22:02 AM] Boydgamesh: homu ride never ends
[2:22:04 AM] Boydgamesh: never never ever
[2:22:09 AM] Squee: yeah, on that note
[2:22:17 AM] Squee: leaving the worst girl as sole defender of the city

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[2:22:52 AM] Chrono Ivan: itt someone should watch Homura's attack on titan
[2:23:05 AM] Chrono Ivan: but first
[2:23:11 AM] Chrono Ivan: backstory episode
[2:24:07 AM] Squee: ugh that was the second-dumbest death in the series
[2:24:32 AM] Squee: totally unnecessary and didn't even make that much sense within the narrative

The Phantom Squee

Aug 3 2014, 01:01 AM

[2:13:09 AM] Squee: there's no indication at all of them having a relationship

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That whole thing is very likely to be a handwave at both the ages of the magical girls and the fact that none of them are boys

Mireia

Aug 3 2014, 07:23 PM

The Phantom Squee

Aug 3 2014, 01:01 AM

[2:13:09 AM] Squee: there's no indication at all of them having a relationship

Re: the girls being thought to provide more emotional energy than boys - I've seen some readings of the series stating why the creators went with that path (which I'll tell more about when you're done if you want) but by itself, yeah. There are some unfortunate implications.jpg

And wasn't the episode nine fight about trying to get through to Sayaka, hence why Kyouko brought Madoka along with her? That's how I remember it. That explains how Kyouko took so much damage against a witch she should have been able to overcome.

The Phantom Squee

Aug 3 2014, 08:03 PM

I do remember some stuff about Urobuchi have some, ah... eyebrow-raising opinions about young girls, yeah. So that wouldn't surprise me.

Mireia

Aug 3 2014, 08:47 PM

The Phantom Squee

Aug 3 2014, 08:03 PM

I do remember some stuff about Urobuchi have some, ah... eyebrow-raising opinions about young girls, yeah. So that wouldn't surprise me.

I'm referring more to readings people have of the series that, maybe don't justify but, make sense of why young girls were singled out for this process. Thematic sense, I mean. I'm not sure what Urobuchi thinks about young girls though I'm a little wary of asking for details.

That justification was enough for me, but I'd have to rewatch episode nine to debate any further.

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[12:08:13 AM] Squee: Alright, time to find out whether I'll like Homura after all
[12:08:20 AM] Kyle: oh boy
[12:08:28 AM] Boydgamesh: even if you do
[12:08:42 AM] Boydgamesh: take heart that if you were to continue to Rebellion, you'd change your mind back again
[12:08:55 AM] Kyle: boyd pls
[12:08:55 AM] Squee: On a related note, sweet tea vodka is some nasty shit.
like, sweet tea + vodka?
[12:09:18 AM] Kyle: or sweet tea flavored vodka?
[12:09:22 AM] Squee: The latter
[12:09:26 AM] Kyle: gross
[12:09:35 AM] Squee: yep
[12:09:47 AM] Kyle: flavored vodka is generally pointless IMO
[12:09:58 AM] Kyle: since you can mix it with anything anyway, usually for cheaper
[12:09:58 AM] Squee: There are some flavored vodkas that are great
[12:10:05 AM] Squee: whipped cream and marshmallow come to mind
[12:10:06 AM] Admiral Miral: Flavored vodka sounds like a scam
[12:10:17 AM] Kyle: yeah, flavors that you can't get otherwise are ok
[12:10:25 AM] Squee: Still, I'm glad I drank that one first
[12:10:31 AM] Kyle: I've got whipped cream vodka, it goes great in some things
[12:10:35 AM] Squee: now I still have brandy and cider to get that flavor out of my mouth

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[12:11:23 AM] Squee: And now we finally see the Homura that Boyd was most likely to like
[12:11:45 AM] Squee: If this didn't do it for him, nothing will.
[12:12:39 AM] Boydgamesh: rofl
[12:12:52 AM] Boydgamesh: I didn't dislike her until Rebellion fwiw
[12:13:08 AM] Squee:
[12:13:18 AM] Squee: Is it just me or does Madoka's voice sound different
[12:13:39 AM] Boydgamesh: if it does then it's probably intentional for reasons you'll soon see
[12:13:43 AM] Squee: I can't quite put my finger on it. More childish?

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[12:17:11 AM] Squee: So Homura was a shy wallflower, blah blah blah this feels like a cheap sympathy play.
[12:17:45 AM] Admiral Miral: she was a shy wallflower until her perfect goddess gave her the willpower to be human
[12:17:46 AM] Squee: Suddenly, witch!
[12:18:02 AM] Admiral Miral: First wallflower
[12:18:05 AM] Admiral Miral: then human
[12:18:10 AM] Admiral Miral: then meguca
[12:18:10 AM] Admiral Miral: then witch
[12:18:16 AM] Admiral Miral: Madoka is the true villain
[12:18:58 AM] Squee: Shot in the dark here, I'm going to guess that her wish is something vaguely-worded that allows her to get her time powers through a loophole.
[12:19:11 AM] Squee: Don't tell me whether I'm right or wrong, I want to see for myself.
[12:19:13 AM] Chrono Ivan: you'll know soon enough
[12:19:26 AM] Kyle: yeah, I can't really comment on stuff in this episode
[12:20:09 AM] Squee: Obviously this is going to be a big spoiler episode, yeah, so I understand if you can't answer my comments.

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Homura's not obnoxious and omnicompetent, Madoka's more happy and less uguu~, she and Mami are a badass witch-killing team
[12:22:02 AM] Squee: I like this alternate universe better already
[12:22:35 AM] Squee: I wonder what Madoka's wish was in this timeline.
[12:22:45 AM] Admiral Miral: they don't tell you in the anime
[12:23:03 AM] Admiral Miral: lol spoilers
[12:23:54 AM] Boydgamesh: a cat died
[12:23:56 AM] Boydgamesh: she wanted it brought back to life
[12:24:02 AM] Chrono Ivan: "I wish for a magical hand that shoots bees"
[12:24:34 AM] Sadique: Spoilers: Everything is that cat's fault.
[12:24:40 AM] Kyle: spoilers remember that cat from the opening sequence that never appears
[12:24:44 AM] Kyle: (it's that one)
[12:24:59 AM] Squee: wait you were serious about that
[12:25:10 AM] Kyle: yes
[12:25:12 AM] Squee: omg
[12:25:27 AM] Kyle: remember how in the beginning of the show, she didn't really know what to wish for?
[12:25:36 AM] Squee: vaguely
[12:25:43 AM] Kyle: that really didn't change at all
[12:25:55 AM] Kyle: it's just she found something to use it on then
[12:26:02 AM] Squee: lol
[12:26:14 AM] Kyle: she was literally going to wish for a cake in ep 3
[12:26:15 AM] Squee: Also, I appreciate the parallel structure they've got going on here
[12:26:34 AM] Squee: with Madoka and Homura having reversed roles
[12:27:16 AM] Squee: Of course we don't even get to see how mami died in this timeline
[12:27:17 AM] Squee: rip
[12:27:44 AM] Kyle: not directly, but death via Walpurgisnacht in some fashion
[12:27:54 AM] Squee: well yes
[12:27:59 AM] Squee: that much is obvious
[12:28:38 AM] Graeme Lewis: Death by apathy
[12:28:55 AM] Chrono Ivan: Silicone rejection
[12:29:03 AM] Squee: pfffffffffffffffff
[12:29:20 AM] Kyle: boyd's worst nightmare

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[12:30:44 AM] Squee: Aaaaand there's the wish
[12:30:56 AM] Squee: that was really not a well-thought-out wish
[12:31:07 AM] Kyle: homura is really kinda dumb
[12:31:10 AM] Squee: Homura you dumbass
[12:31:12 AM] Graeme Lewis: Was it a wish for a sandwich? Because wishes for sandwiches are never that well thought-out.
[12:31:27 AM] Kyle: this becomes more and more obvious as you consider the series, honestly
[12:31:28 AM] Squee: a wish for a madoka sandwich
[12:31:31 AM] Squee: if you know what I mean
[12:31:38 AM] Graeme Lewis: Oh Myyyyyy
[12:31:39 AM] Kyle: there's a picture
[12:31:55 AM] Kyle: but I'm too lazy to go find it right now
[12:32:29 AM] Squee: "Your wish has improved entropy"
Kyubey I thought you weren't into telling new recruits the secrets of why you did this
[12:32:53 AM] Kyle: he might have given them a condensed version
[12:33:07 AM] Graeme Lewis: That, or he's just not big on consistency.
[12:33:10 AM] Squee: maybe
[12:33:13 AM] Kyle: "You becoming a magical girl will surpass entropy and help stall the heat death of the universe!"
[12:33:18 AM] Squee: alternate timeline, etc.
[12:33:29 AM] Kyle: he's very good at just omitting information
[12:33:42 AM] Kyle: based on knowledge of how people tend to react to it
[12:35:11 AM] Graeme Lewis: See, he should just tell people, because 9 people out of 10 will take that knowledge as a challenge and wind up doing the exact damn thing he wanted them to do without them realizing it (just ask any Greek King who learned about prophecy).
[12:35:36 AM] Kyle: uh...not likely
[12:35:48 AM] Kyle: considering they're literally fighting the corpses of all those who failed
[12:36:04 AM] Kyle: so the evidence is pretty stacked that, yeah, you're gonna [radio edit] up someday
[12:36:28 AM] Kyle: also Oedipus didn't know about the prophecy at all
[12:36:30 AM] Graeme Lewis: If there's one thing that humans are better at than accidentally fulfilling prophecy by trying to avoid it, it's [radio edit]ing up.
[12:36:34 AM] Kyle: er
[12:36:39 AM] Kyle: nvm
[12:36:45 AM] Kyle: you're talking about his dad
[12:36:47 AM] Graeme Lewis: Yep
[12:37:03 AM] Squee: Clearly you've never told a high school couple the odds of them actually ending up married.
[12:37:25 AM] Kyle: touche
[12:37:39 AM] Kyle: though I think "staying married" is more accurate
[12:37:41 AM] Graeme Lewis: See, but is that accidentally fulfilling prophecy by trying to avoid it, or is that [radio edit]ing up?
[12:37:45 AM] Squee: point
[12:37:59 AM] Boydgamesh: [12:27 AM] Squee:

<<< Of course we don't even get to see how mami died in this timeline
the psp game has one path where she does taking an attack for Madoka
[12:38:02 AM] Boydgamesh: so prob something like that
[12:38:07 AM] Kyle: I don't see any advantage to QB telling them though
[12:38:26 AM] Kyle: even if 9/10 people will take it anyway
[12:38:32 AM] Squee: jfc how many alternate universe stories does this series have
[12:38:33 AM] Kyle: 10/10 would have taken it without the knowledge
[12:38:39 AM] Sadique: Well
[12:38:42 AM] Sadique: There are however many it has
[12:38:45 AM] Kyle: keep watching :U
[12:38:46 AM] Sadique: And however many it /could/ have.
[12:39:03 AM] Squee: I mean publicized ones
[12:39:07 AM] Admiral Miral: as many as they can produce and people will eat up
[12:39:10 AM] Squee: you mentioned like three different mangas
[12:39:22 AM] Admiral Miral: That's how Japan works in general
[12:39:25 AM] Kyle: the mangas mostly cover stuff outside the loops, IIRC
[12:39:26 AM] Squee: ugh
[12:39:26 AM] Graeme Lewis: But he's limiting himself to one subgroup, whereas with the idea with making it public is to tell -as many people as you can-.
[12:39:27 AM] Boydgamesh: there are about 100 canonical repeats
[12:39:30 AM] Boydgamesh: so yeah, it can be as much as they want
[12:39:39 AM] Sadique: Oriko is a timeline, never got far enough in the other to say, Different Story has another...
[12:39:47 AM] Sadique: The PSP has a few different ones, because game...
[12:39:51 AM] Admiral Miral: Kazumi is just about different characters
[12:40:17 AM] Sadique: Yeah, my impression from what I did read before running into the wall of not-translated/published-yet
[12:40:32 AM] Sadique: Was that it could have been in most any timeline, because there wasn't (at least at the time) any real intersection.
[12:40:38 AM] Sadique: Because it was, one might say
[12:40:41 AM] Sadique: A different story.
[12:40:59 AM] Kyle: dohohohoho
[12:41:05 AM] Boydgamesh: Different Story started before the timeline branching
[12:41:10 AM] Boydgamesh: so it has some universal canon parts
[12:41:15 AM] Boydgamesh: but then it goes into a different timeline yeah
[12:42:08 AM] Sadique: But yes. Just from that, a few, a few more from the anime, and a few more from the PSP game specifically.
[12:42:08 AM] Sadique: And yet
[12:42:17 AM] Sadique: They've still got more than the better part of 100 they /could/ do.
[12:42:30 AM] Sadique: (and if they don't, fanfic is /more/ than happy to fill the slots)

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[12:43:07 AM] Squee: jfc homura just announce to the whole world that you're a magical girl
[12:43:14 AM] Squee: what
[12:43:14 AM] Squee: an
[12:43:15 AM] Squee: idiot
[12:43:16 AM] Sadique: Sounds like a plan!
[12:43:16 AM] Kyle: lol
[12:43:23 AM] Kyle: who's gonna believe her?
[12:43:36 AM] Kyle: not like she needs a secret identity to hide from villains, after all
[12:43:56 AM] Squee: ... is she beating up an oil drum with a golf club
[12:43:58 AM] Sadique: THE WITCHES KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE
[12:44:00 AM] Sadique: Yes
[12:44:02 AM] Squee: lol
[12:44:02 AM] Squee: what
[12:44:03 AM] Sadique: Or rather
[12:44:03 AM] Sadique: She's
[12:44:04 AM] Sadique: Trying.
[12:44:06 AM] Kyle: best homu
[12:44:24 AM] Sadique: MoeMura
[12:44:26 AM] Sadique: Is kind of bad at this.
[12:45:11 AM] Squee: It's like they realized how unlikable she was and tried extra-hard to make her appeal to the LCD
[12:45:25 AM] Admiral Miral: just imagine
[12:45:27 AM] Kyle: excuse you
[12:45:30 AM] Chrono Ivan: Squee is so cynical
[12:45:31 AM] Admiral Miral: if they made media for every timeline
[12:45:33 AM] Admiral Miral: and each of them
[12:45:35 AM] Boydgamesh: oh lolololololol
[12:45:39 AM] Admiral Miral: was another otakupandering personality shift
[12:45:40 AM] Boydgamesh: Squee is reacting exactly as I predicted
[12:45:44 AM] Kyle: do not group me with Silvy
[12:45:45 AM] Admiral Miral: they would be swimming in money
[12:46:04 AM] Chrono Ivan: Tsundere Homura, twintails homura, Homura at the beach, Homura at Xmas
[12:46:14 AM] Chrono Ivan: Homura prints money!
[12:46:20 AM] Squee: omg
[12:46:20 AM] Chrono Ivan: Gothic lolita homura
[12:46:40 AM] Admiral Miral: Oh yeah I forgot Silvy watches anything with lesbians
[12:46:43 AM] Admiral Miral: he should watch Saki
[12:46:47 AM] Kyle: that's draco
[12:47:01 AM] Kyle: Silvy watches anything with edge or yanderes
[12:47:06 AM] Boydgamesh: [12:46 AM] Chrono Ivan:

<<< Tsundere Homura, twintails homura, Homura at the beach, Homura at Xmas
there's official art of most of this
[12:47:18 AM] Squee: what the [radio edit] she's making explosives in her bedroom
[12:47:21 AM] Squee: homura you are
[12:47:24 AM] Squee: something
[12:47:29 AM] Kyle: hahahaha
[12:47:36 AM] Squee: I'm not sure what, but you're something
[12:47:48 AM] Admiral Miral: [12:46 AM] Kyle:

<<< that's draco
Maybe Draco should watch Saki then
[12:47:51 AM] Admiral Miral: it has uhh
[12:47:53 AM] Admiral Miral: a lot of lesbians
[12:48:00 AM] Kyle: it sounds too long for her

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[12:49:13 AM] Squee: A witch made out of clotheslines that shoots ice-skating mannequins from its panties
[12:49:16 AM] Squee: now I've seen everything
[12:49:40 AM] Sadique: You haven't seen the best parade yet, though.
[12:49:46 AM] Sadique: But don't worry that's next episode I think.

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[12:52:42 AM] Squee: So what I'm getting from this so far is that Homura's time powers are not the result of a loophole, but pretty much an implicit part of her wish.
[12:52:50 AM] Squee: This doesn't explain why Kyubey was surprised at her having them.
[12:52:53 AM] Kyle: correct
[12:53:09 AM] Kyle: because Kyubey, in the timeline he mentioned it, never contracted with her
[12:53:24 AM] Squee: Sure, but he'd seen her as a magical girl before.
[12:53:30 AM] Kyle: yes, which he finds odd
[12:53:32 AM] Squee: If that was the problem he'd have commented on it then.
[12:54:05 AM] Kyle: he never really talks to her directly until then, IIRC
[12:54:08 AM] Boydgamesh: yeah
[12:54:16 AM] Boydgamesh: later on he's like "OH HO SO I KNEW YOU WERE FISHY" or something
[12:54:30 AM] Squee: Not directly to her, but he's present with her multiple times and has plenty of opportunity to mention it.
[12:55:36 AM] Chrono Ivan: I think after ep 1
[12:55:39 AM] Chrono Ivan: where she weas trying to shoot him
[12:55:43 AM] Chrono Ivan: he was probably like
[12:55:44 AM] Graeme Lewis: So wait. With regards to her powers... does she live through each timeline until she rewinds?
[12:55:50 AM] Chrono Ivan: "I'm not gonna get anything useful out of you"
[12:56:03 AM] Chrono Ivan: "And you definately seem to know what my bargains entail"
[12:56:05 AM] Squee: Looks like it, yeah.
[12:56:06 AM] Graeme Lewis: Like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day?
[12:56:23 AM] Boydgamesh: it's not mentioned in the anime but she can't control when she rewinds exactly
[12:56:29 AM] Boydgamesh: she has to wait a whole month, then he can rewind
[12:56:33 AM] Squee: Hence that 'shop that HJ shared yesterday
[12:56:41 AM] Graeme Lewis: I don't think I saw that one.
[12:56:44 AM] Boydgamesh: so if Madoka dies before the end of the month
[12:56:49 AM] Boydgamesh: she has to keep living that month until she can rewind
[12:57:05 AM] Squee: So it's even more like Groundhog Day than I thought
[12:57:19 AM] Graeme Lewis: So she can't take the Bill Murray shortcut of killing herself before the month is up?
[12:57:22 AM] Squee: Madoka is literally an anime version of Groundhog Day
[12:57:26 AM] Sadique: No, then she's dead.
[12:57:29 AM] Boydgamesh: ^
[12:57:37 AM] Sadique: You can't go back in time if you're dead
[12:57:40 AM] Sadique: Unless you want to arrive a corpse.
[12:57:43 AM] Boydgamesh: her own power is causing the loop
[12:57:47 AM] Boydgamesh: so if she dies, the loop ends
[12:57:50 AM] Graeme Lewis: Not quite, Squee. Bill Murray could kill himself and he would wake up on February 2 again.
[12:58:00 AM] Graeme Lewis: He did kill himself. Several times.
[12:58:05 AM] Graeme Lewis: And he kept waking up.

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[12:58:43 AM] Squee: Oh lol Homura got all her weapons by stopping time and stealing them from adults
[12:58:46 AM] Squee: that's actually awesome
[12:59:01 AM] Sadique: Her power is lacking in firepower.
[12:59:04 AM] Sadique: So she'll take someone else's.
[12:59:08 AM] Sadique: And someone else's. And maybe a bit more.
[12:59:10 AM] Sadique: A lot more.
[12:59:12 AM] Chrono Ivan: oh yeah
[12:59:12 AM] Sadique: (a whole lot more)
[12:59:14 AM] Chrono Ivan: you should watch
[12:59:16 AM] Chrono Ivan: the ep after this
[12:59:21 AM] Chrono Ivan: it is [radio edit]ing glorious
[12:59:25 AM] Graeme Lewis: Well, depending on how many timeline's she's lived through, she could technically be, chronologically, older than any living human being.
[12:59:27 AM] Chrono Ivan: the Homura Blitzkrieg
[12:59:29 AM] Sadique: I would personally say
[12:59:33 AM] Sadique: Watch the last two together
[12:59:34 AM] Sadique: Or
[12:59:38 AM] Sadique: Wait a month and do it then
[12:59:47 AM] Sadique: To experience the suffering of the people at the time. :y
[12:59:50 AM] Graeme Lewis: Not that it would help her get weapons, but she could legit be 1000 years old and not in the mood for this shit anymore.
[12:59:54 AM] Boydgamesh: [12:59 AM] Graeme Lewis:

<<< Well, depending on how many timeline's she's lived through, she could technically be, chronologically, older than any living human being.
1 month times roughly 100
[1:00:00 AM] Boydgamesh: so she's only about 10 years older at best
[1:00:09 AM] Kyle: it's actually about 45 days
[1:00:20 AM] Graeme Lewis: But that's just shown timelines. Who knows how many unseen timelines get looped through?
[1:00:26 AM] Kyle: and it comes out to 12 years ish
[1:00:30 AM] Boydgamesh: about 100, because the writer told us so
[1:00:33 AM] Kyle: creator said she did just under 100
[1:00:39 AM] Graeme Lewis: ...That's no fun.
[1:00:41 AM] Ras: Damn
[1:00:57 AM] Chrono Ivan: so yeah Homura is subjectively like 24
[1:00:59 AM] Sadique: By giving a number, however, it does allow for time-loop suffering dick-waving. :y
[1:01:25 AM] Chrono Ivan: it's kind of surprising she even cares about Sayaka at all
[1:01:38 AM] Chrono Ivan: "oh hey stupid, wishing for stupid shit I see"

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[1:02:05 AM] Squee: And there's the source of that Dark Souls gif I keep seeing
[1:02:14 AM] Graeme Lewis: Wait... can her power only go back 45 days, or can she theoretically go back a longer distance in, say, cases where things go south more than 45 days after she's rewound?
[1:02:21 AM] Boydgamesh: can only go back that amount of time
[1:02:28 AM] Kyle: which one?
[1:02:29 AM] Graeme Lewis: I see.
[1:02:39 AM] Sadique: WHEEL SKELETON
[1:02:41 AM] Kyle: it's locked to a specific moment in time
[1:02:41 AM] Sadique: (without skeleton)
[1:02:45 AM] Kyle: oh lol
[1:02:55 AM] Squee: http://37.media.tumblr.com/4294816c8d5db5ab64c46ff095c5d9d3/tumblr_mpb4jqFmiz1qi1lfko1_r1_400.gif
[1:02:57 AM] Boydgamesh: [1:01 AM] Chrono Ivan:

<<< it's kind of surprising she even cares about Sayaka at all
part of it is probably just Madoka by proxy
[1:03:02 AM] Kyle: when she resets, she wakes up at the exact same moment regardless
[1:03:05 AM | Edited 1:03:12 AM] Boydgamesh: "I can't make Madoka's friend sad, Madoka would get sad"

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[1:10:34 AM] Squee: So one day Homura just decides she doesn't need her glasses any more
[1:10:35 AM] Squee: I
[1:10:39 AM] Squee: don't think optics work that way
[1:10:40 AM] Boydgamesh: she used magic to heal her eyes
[1:10:45 AM] Squee: :I
[1:11:32 AM] Boydgamesh: squee pls Sayaka's full of healing powers that's actually not that farfetched
[1:12:03 AM] Squee: Sayaka is
[1:12:05 AM] Squee: Homura isn't
[1:12:13 AM] Squee: especially not immediately after resetting
[1:12:21 AM] Kyle: magic is pretty [radio edit]ing loose in this series honestly
[1:12:35 AM] Kyle: Mami uses ribbons and muskets
[1:12:35 AM] Squee: muh
[1:12:36 AM] Squee: realism
[1:12:38 AM] Boydgamesh: you start with a base power and then you can learn more
[1:12:43 AM] Boydgamesh: Mami's base power is ribbons
[1:12:44 AM] Sadique: The muskets /are/ ribbons, if memory serves. :y
[1:12:45 AM] Kyle: because she wished to save her life in a car crash
[1:12:48 AM] Boydgamesh: she eventually learned how to make them muskets
[1:12:58 AM] Kyle: I know, I'm just pointing out how ridiculous that is
[1:13:01 AM] Sadique: Anyway. Homura is kind of a screwy case in several ways
[1:13:06 AM] Sadique: Since she's pretty clearly not aging
[1:13:16 AM] Chrono Ivan: well yeah
[1:13:20 AM] Chrono Ivan: she keeps sending her mind
[1:13:21 AM] Sadique: But she's also pretty clearly retaining her increasing physical abilities, unless that's /also/ ~MAGIC~
[1:13:26 AM] Chrono Ivan: back to her 13 year old body
[1:13:34 AM] Kyle: that was the explanation we came up with, yeah
[1:13:36 AM] Chrono Ivan: I assume the physical abilities are here magicing herself up
[1:13:45 AM] Chrono Ivan: or else just realizing 'oh wait I'm a lich'
[1:13:47 AM] Kyle: she uses magic to maintain/fix her body when she starts over
[1:13:52 AM] Chrono Ivan: 'I can do whatever the [radio edit] I want'
[1:13:54 AM] Squee: So her body carries over each time?
[1:14:00 AM] Sadique: Uncertain.
[1:14:12 AM] Kyle: doesn't seem likely, no, otherwise she'd age
[1:14:19 AM] Sadique: This does, of course
[1:14:22 AM] Sadique: Mean she /is/, in fact
[1:14:24 AM | Edited 1:14:33 AM] Sadique: Spending 8-12 years
[1:14:28 AM] Sadique: As a ~13 year old.
[1:14:37 AM] Kyle: muh hormones
[1:14:59 AM] Boydgamesh: [1:14:25 AM] Sadique: Mean she /is/, in fact
[1:14:27 AM | Edited 1:14:36 AM] Sadique: Spending 8-12 years
[1:14:31 AM] Sadique: As a ~13 year old.
suddenly I realize why Kyle loves her
[1:15:05 AM] Kyle: WOW
[1:15:10 AM] Kyle: also she's 14
[1:15:13 AM] Kyle: that's too old
[1:15:19 AM] Squee: I'm not sure why this would explain her eyes magically healing after a few goes, then.
[1:15:30 AM] Kyle: one of the manga shows Kyouko age
[1:15:38 AM] Kyle: she actively heals them
[1:15:47 AM] Kyle: did you
not see that?
[1:16:02 AM] Kyle: she holds her soul gem up and her eyes flash, and she stops wearing her glasses
[1:16:13 AM] Squee: Oh is that what that was supposed to be?
[1:16:16 AM] Squee: way to
[1:16:19 AM] Squee: not explain anything
[1:16:20 AM] Kyle: what
[1:16:22 AM] Kyle: that
[1:16:26 AM] Kyle: didn't need explanation
[1:16:30 AM] Graeme Lewis: On 8/4/14, at 12:15 AM, Kyle wrote:
> one of the manga shows Kyouko age

But is Kyouko going through time loops, or is this just one continuous sequence?
[1:16:56 AM] Kyle: >Homura did something to her eyes
>Homura stopped wearing glasses
"I don't see how these are related"
[1:17:02 AM] Kyle: one continuous
[1:17:14 AM] Chrono Ivan: chain of pls
[1:17:16 AM] Squee: I didn't catch an eye flash
[1:17:22 AM] Squee: just her putting the gem to her forehead
[1:17:31 AM] Squee: which looked to me like a generic moment of resolution
[1:17:37 AM] Kyle: squee pls
[1:17:46 AM] Graeme Lewis: But then that means we've no idea regarding whether or not time loops cause one to physically age or not.
[1:17:52 AM] Kyle: you can't harp on shit because you're not watching
[1:18:00 AM] Kyle: well
[1:18:06 AM] Kyle: considering Homura isn't 26
[1:18:14 AM] Chrono Ivan: that's pretty solid evidence
[1:18:18 AM] Chrono Ivan: esp. since Meguca do age
[1:18:18 AM] Kyle: I think it's safe to say they, do not, in fact, cause physical aging
[1:18:24 AM] Doge the Wow-Crusher: [1:15 AM] Squee:

<<< not explain anything"GUYS WHY DO THEY KEEP EXPLAINING EVERYTHING SHOW DON'T TELL IS SO IMPORTANT"
[1:18:24 AM] Squee: [1:17 AM] Kyle:

<<< you can't harp on shit because you're not watching
[radio edit] you, I am watching
[1:18:29 AM] Doge the Wow-Crusher: "GUYS WHY AREN'T THEY EXPLAINING ANYTHING"
[1:18:44 AM] Squee: [radio edit] you too there's a difference between subtlety and being obtuse
[1:18:48 AM] Kyle: what
[1:18:56 AM] Kyle: no, hold up here
[1:19:01 AM] Doge the Wow-Crusher: literally
[1:19:01 AM] Graeme Lewis: If you were talking to me, HJ, I was trying to figure shit out, I wasn't harping.
[1:19:02 AM] Doge the Wow-Crusher: too
[1:19:03 AM] Doge the Wow-Crusher: deep
[1:19:04 AM] Doge the Wow-Crusher: for
[1:19:05 AM] Doge the Wow-Crusher: you
[1:19:12 AM] Sadique: So what I'm seeing here
[1:19:13 AM] Kyle: I'm pulling up the ep
[1:19:17 AM] Sadique: Is a proposed threesome.
[1:19:33 AM] Sadique: How bold, Squee.
[1:19:35 AM] Squee: No he was talkign to me
[1:20:22 AM] Squee: I mean it's entirely possible I just missed it
[1:20:41 AM] Squee: but frankly animu likes to do that "flashing eyes" shit so often that it's also possible I just dismissed it as an anime-ism
[1:20:50 AM] Squee: unconsciously
[1:21:35 AM] Graeme Lewis: I'm sure if Katawa Shoujo were an anime instead of a VN, you'd see so many lens flares off of Shizune's specs you'd think you were watching a Star Trek movie.
[1:21:38 AM] Doge the Wow-Crusher: Or you missed it because you're streaming like a pleb.
[1:22:15 AM] Kyle: holy shit, no, it's ridiculously obvious
[1:22:29 AM] Squee: Guess it was the latter then
[1:22:34 AM] Squee: unconsciously dismissed it
[1:22:35 AM] Graeme Lewis: The plebians can afford streaming internet?! This simply will not do, throttle them down to null speeds!
[1:22:54 AM] Chrono Ivan: Squee pls
[1:23:00 AM] Kyle: http://www.crunchyroll.com/puella-magi-madoka-magica/episode-10-i-wont-rely-on-anyone-anymore-591753
17:55
[1:23:03 AM] Chrono Ivan: Yeah though
[1:23:03 AM] Ras: squee pls
[1:23:04 AM] Chrono Ivan: to be fair
[1:23:06 AM] Chrono Ivan: I dismissed it too
[1:23:09 AM] Kyle: also inb4 lolcrunchy
[1:23:11 AM] Chrono Ivan: Until I saw the movie
[1:23:14 AM] Chrono Ivan: I just figured
[1:23:15 AM | Edited 1:23:21 AM] Squee: I can't help my superior taste in television
[1:23:16 AM] Chrono Ivan: she was using contacts
[1:23:19 AM] Chrono Ivan: to look cooler
[1:23:21 AM] Chrono Ivan: :3c
[1:23:41 AM] Squee: lol, ad for that dumb Sleepy Hollow show
[1:23:56 AM] Graeme Lewis: Yeah, using contacts to look cooler isn't exactly a rare thing.
[1:23:57 AM] Kyle: wtf finish the ep
[1:24:26 AM] Squee: ... why did I not think of contacts
[1:24:49 AM] Kyle: because you're terrible at this

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[1:28:01 AM] Squee: more stealing weapons
[1:28:10 AM] Squee: this is pretty much the only thing I like about Homura so far
[1:28:20 AM] Squee: the fact that she uses her time freezing to load up on the good shit
[1:28:27 AM] Chrono Ivan: apparantly
[1:28:33 AM] Chrono Ivan: those are all IRL weapons
[1:28:33 AM] Kyle: oh squee
[1:28:37 AM] Kyle: you sweet summer child
[1:28:38 AM] Chrono Ivan: like they actually researched all of them
[1:28:47 AM] Boydgamesh: Urobuchi loves his guns
[1:28:54 AM] Squee: Based on the depiction of the handgun, I can believe that
[1:29:05 AM] Boydgamesh: Kiritsugu and Maiya's shit in F/Z was the same way
[1:29:11 AM] Chrono Ivan: to the point that people could even tell the name of the modification of the guns she was using
[1:29:18 AM] Squee: Also I alwasy thought Kiritsugu's gun looked like Mal's.
[1:29:18 AM] Chrono Ivan: 'this isn't just an M-15, it's an M-15 with this spec'
[1:29:38 AM] Squee: Can't remember what the actual name of it is
[1:31:14 AM] Chrono Ivan: the bungun
[1:31:16 AM] Boydgamesh: Kiritsugu's main gun with the Origin Bullets is the Thompson Contender
[1:32:49 AM] Chrono Ivan: It's made out of his rib
[1:32:50 AM] Chrono Ivan: reverse eve
[1:33:06 AM] Chrono Ivan: this god miraculously ends your life
[1:34:59 AM] Boydgamesh: the bullets are his ribs, not the gun

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[1:36:10 AM] Squee: and then we get the opening song as the ending for some reason
[1:36:12 AM] Squee: okay
[1:36:21 AM] Kyle: there's
a really good reason, actually
[1:36:21 AM] Squee: probably a time travel joke
[1:36:59 AM] Squee: Well, not joke
[1:37:09 AM] Squee: but a "time travel, ending becomes beginning" thing
[1:37:16 AM] Kyle: not rly
[1:37:30 AM] Doge the Wow-Crusher: squeeturos is at it again
[1:37:44 AM] Kyle: when watching the series, you naturally assume the OP is about Madoka (assuming you know the meaning of the lyrics)
[1:37:52 AM] Kyle: after episode 10, you realize it isn't
[1:37:56 AM] Kyle: it's Homura
[1:38:09 AM] Kyle: and the song takes on a bit darker tone
[1:38:23 AM] Squee: oh, yeah I didn't really bother reading the lyrics
[1:38:30 AM] Squee: I switched to another window while the opening played
[1:38:34 AM] Kyle: tbf neither did I
[1:38:56 AM] Kyle: but after I learned that, I appreciated their use of it
[1:39:02 AM] Sadique: Generically anime J-pop opening-ish as it may be
[1:39:06 AM] Sadique: It /was/ made specifically for Madoka.
[1:39:14 AM] Sadique: And its rampant 2deep4you
[1:39:44 AM] Kyle: "2deep4you"
I consider most jpop, particularly anime openings, like horoscopes
[1:39:55 AM] Kyle: you can apply them pretty widely in most cases
[1:40:21 AM] Kyle: which is why it fits the generic "magical girl" theme madoka has at the beginning
[1:40:40 AM] Kyle: since there's nothing all that particular connecting them
[1:40:47 AM] Kyle: and then you realize /that's the point/
[1:41:29 AM] Kyle: also Magia sounds [radio edit]ing awesome and makes up for it anyway
[1:41:41 AM] Kyle: German Magia even moreso
[1:42:03 AM] Squee: Verdict: Homura still a shit.

The Phantom Squee

http://forum.templeofkraden.com/single/?p=8719098&t=7426591

Oh, it's nothing too bad, just some stuff about how "little girls should be content with their place in society and not ambitious," that sort of thing. Kinda gives the impression that the show is supposed to about girls getting their just desserts for daring to rise above their station.

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[1:36:10 AM] Squee: and then we get the opening song as the ending for some reason
[1:36:12 AM] Squee: okay

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[12:31:07 AM] Kyle: homura is really kinda dumb