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Super Smash Bros. for Wii U and 3DS
Topic Started: Jul 10 2014, 12:09 PM (51,308 Views)
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The Sin Thesis
Nov 1 2014, 09:59 AM
Tiers as far as I can see so far as far as characters' usefulness. Imagine 1 and 2 are pretty close, then a gap, then 3-4 are pretty close, a gap, then 5.

1 (highest): Rosalina (Luma covers so much), Little Mac (that armor)

2: [Marth/Lucina, Robin, Robin, Shulk] (disjoint hitboxes, tipping, spikes, etc.), [Zero Suit Samus, Greninja, Sheik] (sheer speed), Villager (edge guard side smash, pocket, multiple recoveries and projectiles)

3: [Ike, Link, Toon Link](disjoint hitboxes, but slower or shorter range), Falcon, Bowser Jr, Rob, Spacies

4: Meta Knight (range nerfs!), (Dark) Pit, Samus, Diddy Kong, Olimar, Zelda

5 (don't feel like they have enough useful tools): Pikachu, Ganondorf, Palutena

???: Everyone else
Diddy Kong is nowhere near that low. Not a lot of people use him but the few who have have been dominating. He won a tournament a couple days ago.

Top 5 atm is looking something like:
Rosalina & Luma
Sheik
Zero Suit Samus
Yoshi
Greninja

Captain Falcon, Diddy Kong and Bowser might also be in the running. Lucario, Peach, Wario, Fox, Mario and Jiggs are also all pretty high.

Villager is likely not that high, mainly due to issues landing KOs. Ike is also not that high, he's probably nearer to the bottom due to overall sluggishness, lack of approach options and no method of dealing with projectiles. Robin and Shulk are weird cases; I'm honestly not sure if they're gonna be high or low on the tier lists.

Mac is also a weird case. I can't say for sure if he's really top of the line on FD/Omega stages as I haven't had enough experience fighting really good Mac players, but on just about any other stage he's nowhere near top as he can easily be forced to take to their air. Then, he's done.
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Giraffes are adorable.

So Thursday is my birthday but that day will be very full for me. Anyone want to have a Smash Bash with me for Friday? I think I will have items except that flag that gives an extra stock on to add to the birthday bash. I am hoping for a full room with four players.
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I'm up for it.

:luna:
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Giraffes are adorable.

It's going to be Friday morning and early afternoon (my timezone). If not many can join then I might not be able to sleep on Thursday night (my timezone) so I can consider having it then as well.
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Sure I'll join
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Giraffes are adorable.

Whose idea was it to replace dropped online players with level 1 CPUs? Especially in team battles?
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should've been lv9 CPUs tbh
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Giraffes are adorable.

At least Brawl made them a high enough level. Here it is obvious they just walk around.
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So SG, what did you think of Duck Hunt Duo's trailer?
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Giraffes are adorable.

Adorable. Best part is Dog shielding his eyes from Shulk.

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Hey SG still up for some matches today?
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Giraffes are adorable.

Sure, was doing chores beforehand.
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Joinin'
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Sorry I missed this SG, I've been really sick since Wednesday night.

:luna:
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Wheey! I've became a human being!! I am very handsam!

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I don't think characters from Kid Icarus are really allowed to say this given their own series's roster in this game
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Electric Indigo

Please let this be self-deprecating humor on Sakurai's part.
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Or Marth and Lucina.

I don't think that was official Sakurai...?
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dess dess dess dess dess

It's the same as everything else in Kid Icarus - They're making as much fun of the other people as they are of everything else within applicable range.
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Get [radio edit]ing decimated Chrom fans!
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ShinyGirafarig
Nov 2 2014, 07:10 PM
I'll never understand quitters online when the matches a running decently with not much lag. I mean it counts as a loss anyway along with a penalty, no need to rage quit. I understand if it is lagging terribly where a penalty would not be that bad in comparison.
How to be maximum scrub: pop the cartridge out when you're losing, so your shitty win percentage (which no one cares about) doesn't drop.



On the subject of tiers, I believe G&W there (or whoever that used to be before changing nicks) is far more correct than The Sin Thesis. Rosalina, Sheik, ZSS, and (to some extent) Greninja have all proven to be very versatile characters who are great at racking up damage, avoiding harm, and getting early KOs. They're all stellar at both recovering and edgeguarding, and with the possible exception of Rosalina, their recovery options are so versatile that it's particularly difficult to gimp them. None of them as of yet have significantly bad matchups, and none of them are particular bad any any given stage.

Little Mac is extremely lacking in versatility. He has poor matchups that are difficult to overcome--anyone who has an easy time getting their opponent off the stage, really. Assuming stage counterpicks are a thing, he does relatively poorly even on something as plain and common as battlefield. Little Mac is arguably the best character to win a lot of random 1v1 matches on Omega stages (especially when lag is present), but, his weaknesses mean he isn't a tournament-winner--at least not compared to those other four. I believe the more the metagame matures, the less impressive LM will become.

Other characters have their strengths, but I don't believe any of them possess the sheer versatility of Rosalina, Sheik, ZSS, and (to a lesser extent) Greninja. Yoshi, the good Falcon, and others I could see reaching A-tier, but none other than those four could I see reaching the level of dominance Fox/Falco had in Melee, nor what Meta Knight had in Brawl.


In any case, my best character is Mario. So, suck it. U:
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