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Tract Proofing; Quick suggestion
Topic Started: Feb 13 2014, 12:53 PM (4,088 Views)
Slimegunk
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My servants never die

well imo as a new user, post counts dont really scare me. 100 posts seems a bit steep for a gate though for everything, maybe 50-75. Or open it gradually, say you hide this, that, and the other. at 25 this opens, 50 that, 75 the other, and so on. Board awards and clan joining i'd say have at around 100, for one thing, if they arent active they wont know how to vote effectively, so to speak. if you dont want to go to that length i agree that only limiting the awards/clan joining should be enough.
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Saelnaha
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Let's just wait and see what happens.

Crash
Feb 13 2014, 02:24 PM
considering Tract was able to post multiple thousands of messages in a matter of minutes once, I don't think any kind of postcount gate would help anything.
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Raseren
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hello darkness my old friend

I'm with Draco, we shouldn't restrict any more forums over something like this >_>. I'll be okay with board awards being restricted however.
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Remanoir
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I'm down with board awards and clan joining post restrictions.

Otherwise? I don't think anything would stop Tract from flooding us minus a better firewall and cracking him down.
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Nell
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Feb 13 2014, 03:39 PM
Board awards and clan joining i'd say have at around 100, for one thing, if they arent active they wont know how to vote effectively, so to speak.
I'm in this camp. If a lot of established users are confessing that they don't know enough about certain Awards/members that they don't feel like they should be voting, I think a lot of new members would be infinitely less informed about them.

The other idea I had for the Awards, at least, was do what HJ and I did for last year's Belinsk and go out and PM a link to the nominations/voting to members who have been active in the last thirty days or so and who have a non-negligible post count.
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The Phantom Squee
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Sound the horn and call the cry: "How many of them can we make die?"

I mean the thing about him using some kind of program to make a thousand posts a minute is that it instantly reveals him. So yeah, he could theoretically do that to get around post count restrictions, but then the staff knows that it's him and can ban him before he does any real damage.
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HyrulianJedi
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The Steve of Steves
Feb 13 2014, 03:41 PM
Crash
Feb 13 2014, 02:24 PM
considering Tract was able to post multiple thousands of messages in a matter of minutes once, I don't think any kind of postcount gate would help anything.
Quoting things that were already addressed without actually replying to the response doesn't really further a discussion, Steve. Lemme repost it for you.

Remanoir
 
That is only if he decided to go and 'attack the temple. Most of the time like the recent account he had, he been just lurking and making attention grabbing post.

Can he still spam the Temple with an account and generate 80,000 posts and then move on to sabotage voting? Sure. Can he still generate 80,000 posts right now anyway? Yes. Which is more annoying to deal with, and which is happening?

I mean, sure, if you really want to make it an all or nothing deal, you might as well not bother: nothing anyone does, short of killing Tract IRL, would prevent him from bypassing precautions with enough effort. The goal is to make it more difficult for him. So long as it's an easy task, he won't think twice about putting forth the minimal effort to do it. The more effort it takes from him, the shorter he's going to continue doing it.

Remanoir
 
Or simply have 100 post to join a clan / vote for ToK Awards. I don't see the point of hiding anything forums from the newbies. (and while maybe 100 post isn't much for you guys, but 100 post is a lot for someone who mainly lurk the forums.)

This is a good idea, though I think 50 might be a better point. Closing off any boards (besides Clan/Gender boards) to members only harms our ability to attract new members.

The only exception would be to make a subforum that only grants access to users with 1000+ posts, or something. That's a far better place to have these kinds of discussions.
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Hisui
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Seccy "no fun allowed" Secundum

I'm for the subforum with 1000+ posts idea. That serves 2 purposes. Firstly, it stops new members/inactives who don't know the Temple voting. Secondly, it stops Tract. I think that by the time he posted 1000 posts he'd be revealed.
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HyrulianJedi
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No, you completely misunderstood that.

The 1000 post subforum is for discussion of changes to Temple/Temple-related issues, especially ones we don't want potentially anonymous eyes to see.

Board Awards are a separate thing.
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Remanoir
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I support of keeping all inter-temple related topic in a forum where anons or new members can't see. (This topic would be a good one to put into such forums.)
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Hisui
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Seccy "no fun allowed" Secundum

Oh, I assumed that board awards would be in there as well, due to being temple-related.
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Saturos
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heart-under-blade

1000 posts is a little too high, and there's no way to specifically set one forum to be viewable by post-count.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that while he's immature and obsessive, Tract isn't so awful as a person to flood the board proper.
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Dracobolt
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Incorrigible

Sure you didn't just challenge him to do just that? Tempting fate and all.

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Gilgamesh
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Saturos
Feb 13 2014, 04:44 PM
1000 posts is a little too high, and there's no way to specifically set one forum to be viewable by post-count.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that while he's immature and obsessive, Tract isn't so awful as a person to flood the board proper.
No, stop

This kind of attitude is exactly the problem
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Remanoir
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There is always a new low Satty.
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Hisui
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Seccy "no fun allowed" Secundum

Maybe if Tract was let back he'd stop?
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Gilgamesh
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solbowz Aurarius

Yes, when people get banned for legit reasons, their bans should be revoked if they just annoy us enough

Jesus [radio edit]ing Christ you say shit like this but you want to throw a hissy fit when the rules aren't followed to an ironclad letter
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HyrulianJedi
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Saturos
Feb 13 2014, 04:44 PM
1000 posts is a little too high, and there's no way to specifically set one forum to be viewable by post-count.
1000 was a number, but do you really think that's too high for discussing Temple-sensitive issues? That's about, what, 2-3 months of posting? The only discussion in the board would be those related to things that brand new people don't necessarily need to have a say in.

It can be a flexible thing, such as time present on the board, or something, too.

And you could make it a mask, same as SSB was before the merger, except people have to opt-in instead. So like one of the other groups, I guess, like Colosso Committee.

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I'm going to go out on a limb and say that while he's immature and obsessive, Tract isn't so awful as a person to flood the board proper.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you're absolutely wrong about this and having this opinion puts the forum at risk.
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Nell
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It took me over a year to get to 1,000 posts, as an example. Rem still doesn't have 1,000 posts. Any number you set is going to be an arbitrary standard, but I think it's worth bearing in mind that people who spam or post a lot are not always the people who have useful things to say about forum-related issues.
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Hisui
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Seccy "no fun allowed" Secundum

Gilgamesh
Feb 13 2014, 05:08 PM
Yes, when people get banned for legit reasons, their bans should be revoked if they just annoy us enough

Jesus [radio edit]ing Christ you say shit like this but you want to throw a hissy fit when the rules aren't followed to an ironclad letter
I'm just tossing ideas around hoping for a solution. I dislike things like the chat room being killed.
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