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Petition to put the CoD topic back in the GS forum
Topic Started: Feb 1 2014, 08:52 PM (4,638 Views)
Kris, Awooer of Worlds
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Awoo!

ew get your stupid shooters out of my nice rpg. :c
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ShinyGirafarig
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Giraffes are adorable.

*votes* I'm helping.
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HyrulianJedi
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uguu~
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Corsair Ras
Feb 1 2014, 09:27 PM
Why don't we have another man week?
A lot of Man Week's charm was the sudden and complete upheaval of the Temple. It wouldn't have the same effect if everyone knew about it, or if it was done again. It was less of a theme week and more of a week-long prank - and pranks should never be repeated.

also, 90%, Seccy? Are you aware of how democracies generally work? Because you will rarely get 90% of people to agree on anything but the most basic of principles.
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Kiki
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Kiki Martius Chantico

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Feb 1 2014, 10:06 PM
how dare you

I made this topic and I made it in the Prophet's Pulpit, of course it's 100% serious
I should have known!
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Super Slash


After looking at the picture I was referring to again, it's a little more revealing than I remember it being, though it still wasn't any worse than what Silvy posted.
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Saturos
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heart-under-blade

>_> 90% would be a threshold for like, a huge forum-changing thing, not a minor question of topic placement like this. 60% seems a reasonable threshold.

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Hmmm... yeah, that might've been a bit of a double standard? As Kiki said, there was the matter of it was explicitly asked... but I don't want to imbalance things by being properly considerate.
And I checked with the staff for that decision. I actually got in trouble for another one that I okayed, and then it turned out not to be okay.
Speaking personally, I'm a bit more comfortable with drawn/artistic risqueness than with actual people, and when it's properly labelled as NSFW, risque is okay (as long as its not nudity -- this was one of the rule revisions we did after collecting survey results as to how much was okay. People said they'd like to see a bit more relaxed rules, provided it was properly warned). Slime has posted some youtube videos that have been risque, but were noted as such; likewise, Kaz has posted art that would be questionable, but typically carries an NSFW warning and a bit of censorship). I don't have the waifu post on hand, so I can't check that -- I probably just opened the spoiler, didn't have to do pushups, so I just closed it without looking at it closely. And yeah, it wasn't reported, so it wasn't given the same attention. Always if something makes you uncomfortable, report it; that's how the staff discusses things, if it's a borderline case.

I was waiting to see if the doujin thing would come up. I figured it was labelled here NSFW, there's a label on the site that says NSFW, and you have to open the doujin and click through about ten pages to get to NSFW content. I thought that was enough warning to mean that if anyone got to it, they must be looking for it.
I know you've posted a manga page for a joke in the past, Seccy, that if you flip ahead a few pages (as I did once, out of curiosity >_>), there'd be NSFW content there. If someone posts a link to their blog/Tumblr, and they also have NSFW content there, would they be forbidden from linking any posts from their blog at all, because other posts contained NSFW content?

But, it still remains that it was linking to a specific doujin that did have NSFW content. So if it were reported, that would likely be grounds for taking it down. Since it's no longer "this is on the border of the rules" to "this is making people uncomfortable."


That's just my personal thinking, though, trying to balance some freedom in the rules while still upholding certain standards. Staff would have to talk to come to a definitive/final answer, but I've no problem removing the doujin in the meantime.
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ShmittlesThePoe
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So, we all know that this gem of ToK history never would have been relocated if it hadn't suddenly been posted in recently. Perhaps that's the problem.

It's still a gem, but it was history. Now that it's suddenly returned without any meaningful context, it only has the modern context to go by.
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Dracobolt
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Move to its original location, lock for posterity? ... Meh.

:mercury_djinn: :mercury_djinn: :mercury_djinn:
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HyrulianJedi
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Locking topics should never be a thing, except at the topic creator's discretion.
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Super Slash


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Feb 1 2014, 10:32 PM
>_> 90% would be a threshold for like, a huge forum-changing thing, not a minor question of topic placement like this. 60% seems a reasonable threshold.

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Hmmm... yeah, that might've been a bit of a double standard? As Kiki said, there was the matter of it was explicitly asked... but I don't want to imbalance things by being properly considerate.
And I checked with the staff for that decision. I actually got in trouble for another one that I okayed, and then it turned out not to be okay.
Speaking personally, I'm a bit more comfortable with drawn/artistic risqueness than with actual people, and when it's properly labelled as NSFW, risque is okay (as long as its not nudity -- this was one of the rule revisions we did after collecting survey results as to how much was okay. People said they'd like to see a bit more relaxed rules, provided it was properly warned). Slime has posted some youtube videos that have been risque, but were noted as such; likewise, Kaz has posted art that would be questionable, but typically carries an NSFW warning and a bit of censorship). I don't have the waifu post on hand, so I can't check that -- I probably just opened the spoiler, didn't have to do pushups, so I just closed it without looking at it closely. And yeah, it wasn't reported, so it wasn't given the same attention. Always if something makes you uncomfortable, report it; that's how the staff discusses things, if it's a borderline case.

I was waiting to see if the doujin thing would come up. I figured it was labelled here NSFW, there's a label on the site that says NSFW, and you have to open the doujin and click through about ten pages to get to NSFW content. I thought that was enough warning to mean that if anyone got to it, they must be looking for it.
I know you've posted a manga page for a joke in the past, Seccy, that if you flip ahead a few pages (as I did once, out of curiosity >_>), there'd be NSFW content there. If someone posts a link to their blog/Tumblr, and they also have NSFW content there, would they be forbidden from linking any posts from their blog at all, because other posts contained NSFW content?

But, it still remains that it was linking to a specific doujin that did have NSFW content. So if it were reported, that would likely be grounds for taking it down. Since it's no longer "this is on the border of the rules" to "this is making people uncomfortable."


That's just my personal thinking, though, trying to balance some freedom in the rules while still upholding certain standards. Staff would have to talk to come to a definitive/final answer, but I've no problem removing the doujin in the meantime.
Thanks for shedding some light on the situation. I still disagree with the staff's decision on that specific picture as a whole, since we don't have any underage people on this site (that we know of), much less ones that actually use the Man Cave. Then again, I'm a lot more lax about things than most people.
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Gilgamesh
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The ToS are PG-13, it doesn't matter what the userbase is

If you want to share porn or "adult" things do it offsite
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Bane Martius Agni
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I just want to say to Seccy that you're totally right. Allowing a thread to remain in the wrong subforum, just this one time, even on these special circumstances, would invite mass chaos to this message board. I mean, I might as well post about basketball in the books forum, and talk about the Dresden Files in the games forum! It's madness! How does anybody not see this?

Also Seccy, I don't think you're petty at all. If you don't like seeing people talk about a certain thing, really all you can do is make sure they stop talking about it. It's actually kind of rude for them to keep on talking about the stuff in those threads when it bothers you like it does.

Keep doing you Seccy
-Bane
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leaf
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ilu bane

Anyway, YES, move that topic back to the GS forum. I wasn't around for the event, but I can plainly tell that the topic is significant for having been posted in the GS forum, that moving it to the games forum would make it literally nothing but an ordinary thread. This one exception is not going to cause a massive landslide of exceptions to exceptions to exceptions; the topic was and still is relevant to where it was originally posted, and that is the point.

Also, seccy, do you know what a super-majority is? A 2/3 vote. Saying that a super-majority isn't enough to do something (especially something that isn't going to negatively impact anyone here in the slightest) is a bit ridiculous. Democracy is not all for one and one for all. That's communism, if anything.


edit: Seccy, please make your sig smaller. I am sick of scrolling through a whole page in firefox just to get past your signature. Like, spoiler the first pic or something if you want the banner. Your sig was barely within the realm of bearable before, but now it's just ludicrous.
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Super Slash


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Feb 2 2014, 01:08 AM
The ToS are PG-13, it doesn't matter what the userbase is

If you want to share porn or "adult" things do it offsite
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I'm saying that I'd hardly consider covered-up nudity to be beyond PG-13 (of course, it depends on how sexualized the image is and how much is covered up, but the image I'm referring to isn't really sexual in nature). I don't know what ZB's limits are, but I seriously doubt they're as strict as you might think. I'm not dumb enough to think porn would be allowed. =P
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Chrono Ivan
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My opinion on this debacle can be concisely summed up as

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZrzg62Zj0[/youtube]
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Artemis
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Plus Ultra

This topic is full of grognards
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Hisui
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Seccy "no fun allowed" Secundum

Shmittles The Poe
Feb 1 2014, 10:37 PM
So, we all know that this gem of ToK history never would have been relocated if it hadn't suddenly been posted in recently. Perhaps that's the problem.

It's still a gem, but it was history. Now that it's suddenly returned without any meaningful context, it only has the modern context to go by.
This.
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Hisui
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Seccy "no fun allowed" Secundum

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Feb 2 2014, 03:21 AM
ilu bane

Anyway, YES, move that topic back to the GS forum. I wasn't around for the event, but I can plainly tell that the topic is significant for having been posted in the GS forum, that moving it to the games forum would make it literally nothing but an ordinary thread. This one exception is not going to cause a massive landslide of exceptions to exceptions to exceptions; the topic was and still is relevant to where it was originally posted, and that is the point.

Also, seccy, do you know what a super-majority is? A 2/3 vote. Saying that a super-majority isn't enough to do something (especially something that isn't going to negatively impact anyone here in the slightest) is a bit ridiculous. Democracy is not all for one and one for all. That's communism, if anything.


edit: Seccy, please make your sig smaller. I am sick of scrolling through a whole page in firefox just to get past your signature. Like, spoiler the first pic or something if you want the banner. Your sig was barely within the realm of bearable before, but now it's just ludicrous.
It's smaller than it was before.
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Saturos
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heart-under-blade

We'll give this poll 24 hours, since again, it's a minor issue. So in seven hours if there's still more than a 60% yes, could someone please move the relevant topic to the GS forum?
And this topic to Feedback/Suggestions, while we're at it. :awe:
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leaf
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@Seccy: It still takes up a full page in firefox.
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