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| Kiki | Jan 9 2014, 02:10 PM Post #501 |
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I donīt think he meant to say anime fans are weird as in they donīt fit in with society. I think he means that, as people raised among western media filled with western tropes, cliches, and trends, it is unexpected that we would fully enjoy something that stems from tropes, cliches, and trends that are completely different from those that make up what we have been exposed to most. A lot of western shows have formed our worldviews and culture, so it takes some stretching to absorb another cultureīs media as a big fan. At least, I think thatīs what heīs saying. Sounds like a neutral thing, more like it's a curiosity than an insult. Correct me if I'm wrong, Adna. Iīm a little late too in this response but oh well. |
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| Chrono Ivan | Jan 9 2014, 02:13 PM Post #502 |
He who strikes like lightning
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To the kickstartermobile! I was going to post Dr. Weird as the best example of being weird ever but the topic moved away. As an aside, umadnarel, I'm pretty sure the appeal of 'childish' stuff in animu or mango is more because the stories are straightforward and explore more universal themes (lower on the hierarchy of needs) like frienship, solidarity, loyalty, duty and justice than more cerebral things that touch on romance, accepting legitimate flaws, self actualization, progress and failure like seinen does, or really high on the scale things like the nature of decisions, the meaning of your life, the value of things... Until shounen took off in syndication over in the west, producers really didn't make shows for children and adolescents for their own sake as people, they just made shows to market toys, because until the likes of Naruto and Bleach proved there was a market, no one thought of that age group as people. :v |
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| Saturos | Jan 9 2014, 02:23 PM Post #503 |
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I know you specified "childish things" in particular, but I can think of plenty of anime/manga that do all the themes you mentioned there, as well as western stuff marketed to adults that span the pyramid of needs (Maslow too stronk pls nerf). You can't get to the higher needs without first securing the lower ones, after all, and art is required that addresses each one of those. My favourite anime, I would say, tends to skew towards the higher levels on the pyramid, and while I still enjoy stuff that's lower on the hierarchy of needs (like Symphogear or Prisma Illya), I recognize that they're "guilty pleasures" that aren't "objectively good," and that I definitely wouldn't recommend to a non-anime fan. EDIT: Well, "childhood" as such has been conceptualized in the west roughly since the Romantic era/early 19th century, and children's literature as a genre began to emerge in the Victorian era (so mid to late 19th century). And we still had kids' shows (such as the 1960s Spiderman), but I think -- and this is just as a casual observation, I don't watch children's tv much, obv -- children's shows are increasingly dumbed and watered down to avoid serious conflict, to show violence of any kind, innuendo, with very basic humour. This might just be old fogey, "child of the 90s" stuff, though. 
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| Kiki | Jan 9 2014, 02:23 PM Post #504 |
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That's really interesting, Chrono. |
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| Chrono Ivan | Jan 9 2014, 02:33 PM Post #505 |
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Now I know you're using the 'tastes good but is bad' food as an example of a guilty pleasure to compare to, and to an academic there is merit in accusing someone of only consuming media that doesn't challenge them... But I'd still rate 'Enjoying incredibly racist or otherwise offensive' things as being actual pleasures you should be guilty for enjoying. In my (limited) experience, if someone enjoys something rife with copious QUALITY unironically it's because they haven't seen better things. |
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| Peytral | Jan 9 2014, 02:36 PM Post #506 |
peytral pls
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I can deny this. |
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| Saturos | Jan 9 2014, 02:42 PM Post #507 |
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It's not really accusing, since it's not guilty on moral grounds (which that racist/offensive content would be). I'm using it in the sense of "not intellectually challenging/fulfilling, but emotionally resonant." Same thing applies in music. I would say people who enjoy QUALITY and aren't aware of it as such/believe it's objectively good would fall under the "have experienced too little of the genre to know for sure." I can separate my emotional enjoyment of something from my intellectual evaluation of its worth -- and that goes vice versa, as well. Something like Breaking Bad, I can enjoy it intellectually even if it doesn't resonate with me emotionally. I suspect Draco has a similar feeling of Fate/Zero. |
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| leaf | Jan 9 2014, 02:47 PM Post #508 |
Crimson Leaf Vermillion
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I think we can objectively say that any western children's cartoon that came out after 1990 was probably shit. inb4 avatar fanboys |
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| The Phantom Squee | Jan 9 2014, 02:48 PM Post #509 |
Sound the horn and call the cry: "How many of them can we make die?"
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Them's fightin' words. And I'm not even talking about avatar. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 9 2014, 02:49 PM Post #510 |
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i have never found anything about you as objectionable as i do now, leafald |
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| Peytral | Jan 9 2014, 02:50 PM Post #511 |
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peytral pls
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| Skylin | Jan 9 2014, 02:51 PM Post #512 |
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There's plenty of western cartoons that came out after 1990 that were good, even if you don't talk about Avatar. |
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| leaf | Jan 9 2014, 02:51 PM Post #513 |
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Hey adna, you were right. This shit's easy.
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| Deleted User | Jan 9 2014, 02:52 PM Post #514 |
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nope, you just got next leveled. at least by me, i don't know what squeefald's intentions are |
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| Saturos | Jan 9 2014, 02:53 PM Post #515 |
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pls go, leaf |
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| Admiral Miral | Jan 9 2014, 02:54 PM Post #516 |
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I haven't bothered to read the last few pages but are you trying to say that shows aimed at 8 year olds are objectively bad? Because no. |
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| leaf | Jan 9 2014, 03:03 PM Post #517 |
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Here, allow me to make the distinction clear: Good (first aired in 1940): Spoiler: click to toggle Shit (first aired in 1997): Spoiler: click to toggle |
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| Skylin | Jan 9 2014, 03:08 PM Post #518 |
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Well, I consider Cow and Chicken idiotic, but that's not what I think of when I think of good cartoons after 1990. |
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| Peytral | Jan 9 2014, 03:08 PM Post #519 |
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Look, not every cartoon from the 1990s on was Posted Image, Leaf. That's a really bad generalization. |
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| Dracobolt | Jan 9 2014, 03:26 PM Post #520 |
Incorrigible
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Summon the bronies! 
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