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Petition to Remove This retaged Word Filter
Topic Started: Oct 16 2013, 04:39 AM (6,163 Views)
Jackal
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boyd pls
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Hell
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Maybe we should filter all of those words too =3
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Saelnaha
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Let's just wait and see what happens.

I'm offended by the word "Saturos", we should clearly ban that too while we're at it. >_>

Also I'm seeing myself getting potentially banned over this, so yeah
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Nell
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Boyd, I'm not 100% sure if you're objecting to "retagged" as its replacement, or to the censor as a whole.

Personally, it doesn't affect or particularly offend me*, but at the same time (and at the risk of having the "but she's reading into things too much!" target painted on my back again), I feel like "This censor is impeding my ability to fully and frequently compare things I find stupid to a person with a congenital learning disability" isn't a good enough reason for its removal, and the reductio ad absurdum argument isn't really convincing me either.

*The last time I recall hearing someone use 'retaged' in real life was three years ago when someone I knew was genuinely trying to convince me that women who put their families over their careers, and who left their jobs to take maternity leave, were retaged in the true sense of the word, in that, they were somehow categorically mentally deficient. I found that ridiculous in context, but at least he was using the word correctly.
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The Phantom Squee
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Nell
Oct 16 2013, 01:19 PM
the reductio ad absurdum argument isn't really convincing me either.
I think you misunderstand me. I'm not attempting to make an argument, I'm legitimately wondering why "retaged" is bad enough to warrant a wordfilter despite it having--as you pointed out--legitimate uses, while other words like the ones Boyd mentioned earlier are not.
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Gilgamesh
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I'm objecting to both because part of the reason Satty won't get rid of it is because he finds my hate of retag (I actually typed "retag" here) amusing.

I don't like any of the censors but I'm willing to not complain about my opinion for the rest of them (all the time). I concede that my opinion is not always right. But this situation seems to be, to me, that a small minority got offended and so now overly sensitive temple. I wish if something minor offended me I could go to the mods and get them to change the rules.

The poll will tell me whether or not I'm right.
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Nell
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I don't know if it, in that anecdote, the use of retaged was "legitimate" so much as "correct in the strict definitional sense of the word", and I don't get the impression that anyone's really saying "but this censor is preventing me from using retaged to describe an actual mental disability".

I also think the fact that it's used on Temple frequently that the censor itself has become an issue may be (at least historical) evidence of its function. If there were a spate of people calling everyone and everything "niggers", I'd probably have some empathy for people who wanted to censor it.
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Gilgamesh
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The censor is an issue to me because it was put in place specifically because of me (I'm not the only one to use it, but I'm by far the most active "user"), whether by trolling or actual offense or not

Personally I think the censor is pointless because you know what I'm saying anyway. If my post filters to retag, do you REALLY read "retag" in your head or do you know I meant "retard? Now, since this place is PG-13 I understand certain restrictions, like the one on [radio edit]. But unlike [radio edit], this IS PG-13. Even with Draco, who I'm pretty sure actually types out radio edit instead of letting the filter work, I still read it as "fuck" anyway.

It's about the intent. "Nigger" originally had some other meaning IIRC but that's been entirely lost and the word only has the negative connotations. retag isn't quite the same, as while you can argue it's offensive to the mentally handicapped, almost everyone just considers it a synonym for stupid.
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Bane Martius Agni
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R u fukrs trying to tell me tat retaged is an actual word?
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Saturos
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But this situation seems to be, to me, that a small minority got offended and so now overly sensitive temple. I wish if something minor offended me I could go to the mods and get them to change the rules.

This is different, though. It sounds like you're wishing that precisely because it's "exerting power" or "ruining other people's fun." And sometimes it's okay to respect the wishes of the minority, especially when it doesn't hurt anyone.
Since this is a public forum, there are certain rules of decorum that can apply. And I think it's different from "bitch" or "slut," because a) bitch tends to mostly applied to guys here. I haven't seen a girl called a "bitch" without breaking the rules. b) slut tends not to be used in the sense of "sexually promiscuous," but just as a general insult. Whereas "retaged" is usually insulting someone's intelligence.

But yeah, if there's a population of people who want bitch or slut censored, we'll consider it. Since our rules are to an extent determined by demand, we'll see what the poll says.

If you feel "retag" as a censor choice targets you unfairly, I have no issue with replacing it with something else. Like "charming and intelligent person."
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Saelnaha
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Let's just wait and see what happens.

Censors are fucking retarded.

There, I said it.
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HyrulianJedi
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Oct 16 2013, 09:42 AM
also, [radio edit] no, it can't be [radio edit]. That means [radio edit]. You wanna change it, fine, but [radio edit] is taken. Don't be re-silly.
There's actually three words censored to [radio edit].

I'm fine with the fact that it's filtered*, since it's a word that describes a very specific set of people and is only ever not used as an insult to make a point that, yes, it has another meaning. "Slut" and "bitch" are far more general terms and apply to everyone, no one cares unless they're offended by the language itself.

*not the filter itself, it sucks, find a new one

EDIT: Also, never mind, one of the [radio edit]s was changed.
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Nell
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I think a censor can still have an impact, even if we all know what the "real" word is (and I think semiotics will back me up on this one), and if everyone indeed uses it as a synonym for stupid, is there a reason why people don't just use "stupid" or its many other less-problematic equivalents?

I do think, however, that if it really is targeted at Boyd - either the censor on retaged, or its replacement - then that's a bit unfair (although I can think of at least one other post by someone else in the last 24 hours that used it).
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Saturos
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Steve, I have no idea why you think you'd be banned for that earlier post, but as to that second post, please don't be so petulant.
Yes, I'm aware you decided to use the unfiltered versions to declare your disdain for filters. I am in awe of your badassness and lack of respect for the system. Clearly the Man doesn't keep you down.

HJ, I think "bitch" and "slut" do still have very specific, targeted uses, but like I said, they're not usually used in those senses here.
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Gilgamesh
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Saturos
Oct 16 2013, 02:37 PM
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But this situation seems to be, to me, that a small minority got offended and so now overly sensitive temple. I wish if something minor offended me I could go to the mods and get them to change the rules.

This is different, though. It sounds like you're wishing that precisely because it's "exerting power" or "ruining other people's fun." And sometimes it's okay to respect the wishes of the minority, especially when it doesn't hurt anyone.
Since this is a public forum, there are certain rules of decorum that can apply. And I think it's different from "bitch" or "slut," because a) bitch tends to mostly applied to guys here. I haven't seen a girl called a "bitch" without breaking the rules. b) slut tends not to be used in the sense of "sexually promiscuous," but just as a general insult. Whereas "retaged" is usually insulting someone's intelligence.
I'm arguing both because clearly some people want it to be censored but didn't feel like bringing it up in the first place (and they existed here perfectly fine), only to start talking now that we have it.

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But yeah, if there's a population of people who want bitch or slut censored, we'll consider it. Since our rules are to an extent determined by demand, we'll see what the poll says.
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If you feel "retag" as a censor choice targets you unfairly, I have no issue with replacing it with something else. Like "charming and intelligent person."
I can use sarcasm on my own without a filter, thanks
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Seoulbowz
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Oct 16 2013, 02:31 PM
R u fukrs trying to tell me tat retaged is an actual word?
No, "retagged" is.
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Silvy
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I honestly don't see why you guys are making such a big deal over having a few words censored. Heaven forbid you have to use 1 of the 1000000000 other words that exist in this world instead.
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The Phantom Squee
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see that's just as much of a strawman as saying "oh no people might get offended" (yes I'm aware I'm the one who said that).
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Gilgamesh
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Oct 16 2013, 04:35 PM
I honestly don't see why you guys are making such a big deal over having a few words censored. Heaven forbid you have to use 1 of the 1000000000 other words that exist in this world instead.
You mean until those are filtered too right
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If it's been abused in the past, and got filtered because of it, I say keep it that way.
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