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Symphogear Thread; MARK SPOILERS
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Dracobolt	Jul 30 2015, 07:06 PM Post #661
Incorrigible Posts: 72,032 Group: Kid Squid Member #25 Joined: September 11, 2005 Gender: Female Blog: Creative Contemplation and Random Rumination Country: #226# True Name: Braco the Magnificent Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMhvS8oGXQU	could've been gayer



Chrono Ivan	Jul 31 2015, 05:45 PM Post #662
He who strikes like lightning Posts: 9,651 Group: Jupiter Clan Member #251 Joined: September 19, 2007 Gender: Hurf Durf Blog: Arrythmia Country: #238# True Name: Chrono Ivan Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl9kSsLMz4E	Don't worry draco, ep. 5 has MORE GAYNESS THAN YOUR BODY HAS ROOM FOR



Peytral	Jul 31 2015, 06:41 PM Post #663
peytral pls Posts: 15,452 Group: Sol Clan Member #459 Joined: March 18, 2009 Gender: Miserable pile of secrets Blog: Ab Animo Pario Country: #0# True Name: Peytral Aznable	It's true.



Seoulbowz	Jul 31 2015, 10:53 PM Post #664
Supergeil Posts: 19,233 Group: Sol Clan Member #54 Joined: May 28, 2006 Blog: Edeka Country: #79# True Name: Friedrich Liechtenstein Theme Song: https://youtu.be/jxVcgDMBU94	dropped



Gilgamesh	Aug 1 2015, 03:39 AM Post #665
solbowz Aurarius Posts: 33,599 Group: Venus Clan Member #380 Joined: October 3, 2008 Gender: King of Heroes Blog: Shattered Symbosis Country: #226# True Name: Space Boyd Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h6lFNXzC1g	spy glasses the best



Saturos	Aug 1 2015, 08:18 PM Post #666
heart-under-blade Posts: 36,354 Group: Iris Member #2 Joined: March 20, 2005 Gender: Male Country: #0# True Name: Saturos Theme Song: https://youtu.be/mh5vyvMGhqE	Ep 5 was better than ep 4, thank goodness ep 5 point form - piano miku - tsubasa's dad, daddy season confirmed - carol's dad is adorable, dat cooking - is elfie like a spycam for carol or something?? - shirabe and kirika are champions, downing those performance-enhancing drugs til their bodies break down - that's real athletic drive - fight scenes were pretty awesome, and music was awesome - Maria and other FiS gears continuing to be great - Shirabe and Kirika fighting while holding hands, and injecting linker into each other = so yuri, literal yuri flowers blooming behind Kirika - Next episode should be hype as [radio edit]



Seoulbowz	Aug 1 2015, 11:16 PM Post #667
Supergeil Posts: 19,233 Group: Sol Clan Member #54 Joined: May 28, 2006 Blog: Edeka Country: #79# True Name: Friedrich Liechtenstein Theme Song: https://youtu.be/jxVcgDMBU94	Episode 5 -There's nothing suspicious about project ignite at all. -Rather than a spycam for Carol, I think Elfnien is Carol's attempt at cloning herself. -The gay fanservice this season is really annoying, though they did turn down the fanservice aspect of it this episode a bit. -Leiur needs more screentime, but Garie and Micha are great too.



Saturos	Aug 2 2015, 10:22 AM Post #668
heart-under-blade Posts: 36,354 Group: Iris Member #2 Joined: March 20, 2005 Gender: Male Country: #0# True Name: Saturos Theme Song: https://youtu.be/mh5vyvMGhqE	ep 5 - That's a good point. It'd be cool if Project Ignite was somehow tied into Carol ushering in the Apocalypse, and she's playing Elfie hard -- maybe the Alchemically enhanced relics are essential somehow for her plan? I think it's evident that Elfie is a clone, considering how much they look alike, but I think the spycam thing might be another side effect. That's what I think from the shot of Elfie nearing completion on the relics having a crystal ball-fadeout effect to Carol opening her eyes and saying "It's time," and launching the attack. - Better yuri fanservice than sexual fanservice. 8D



Gilgamesh	Aug 2 2015, 05:03 PM Post #669
solbowz Aurarius Posts: 33,599 Group: Venus Clan Member #380 Joined: October 3, 2008 Gender: King of Heroes Blog: Shattered Symbosis Country: #226# True Name: Space Boyd Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h6lFNXzC1g	Saturos Aug 2 2015, 10:22 AM - Better yuri fanservice than sexual fanservice. 8D kill yourself



Peytral	Aug 2 2015, 05:31 PM Post #670
peytral pls Posts: 15,452 Group: Sol Clan Member #459 Joined: March 18, 2009 Gender: Miserable pile of secrets Blog: Ab Animo Pario Country: #0# True Name: Peytral Aznable	lmao



Silvy	Aug 2 2015, 05:37 PM Post #671
idolswag4lyfe Posts: 4,760 Group: Venus Clan Member #210 Joined: July 3, 2007 Gender: Hollow Country: #238# True Name: Silvy Theme Song: https://youtu.be/AIG4mhLcplo	Gilgamesh Aug 2 2015, 05:03 PM Saturos Aug 2 2015, 10:22 AM - Better yuri fanservice than sexual fanservice. 8D kill yourself Well he has a point since some of the sexual fanservice was of a 13 year old girl in this episode. GX ep 5 That episode was definitely better than the last atleast, I'm glad the show is starting to move away from this "Hibiki can't into singing arc." Kirika and Shirabe overdosing and fighting was badass as [radio edit], and hopefully we'll get some sweet Tsubasa and Chris next episode on top of that, my body is ready. Even if the whole Hibiki thing is pretty pls, I'm liking how they're handling Kirika and Shirabe more this season.



Seoulbowz	Aug 2 2015, 05:53 PM Post #672
Supergeil Posts: 19,233 Group: Sol Clan Member #54 Joined: May 28, 2006 Blog: Edeka Country: #79# True Name: Friedrich Liechtenstein Theme Song: https://youtu.be/jxVcgDMBU94	Sanae Kochiya Aug 2 2015, 05:37 PM Gilgamesh Aug 2 2015, 05:03 PM Saturos Aug 2 2015, 10:22 AM - Better yuri fanservice than sexual fanservice. 8D kill yourself Well he has a point since some of the sexual fanservice was of a 13 year old girl in this episode. So was the yuri fanservice. Fanservice is fanservice.



Saturos	Aug 2 2015, 08:04 PM Post #673
heart-under-blade Posts: 36,354 Group: Iris Member #2 Joined: March 20, 2005 Gender: Male Country: #0# True Name: Saturos Theme Song: https://youtu.be/mh5vyvMGhqE	Pretty sure showing naked minors and two girls having a close friendship are on two different levels, Solbowz.



Gilgamesh	Aug 2 2015, 08:08 PM Post #674
solbowz Aurarius Posts: 33,599 Group: Venus Clan Member #380 Joined: October 3, 2008 Gender: King of Heroes Blog: Shattered Symbosis Country: #226# True Name: Space Boyd Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h6lFNXzC1g	Pretty sure they're on the exact same level of shameless pandering so long as it doesn't turn sexual Get off of your "my preferences are better because they aren't naked" stupid high horse



Saturos	Aug 2 2015, 08:22 PM Post #675
heart-under-blade Posts: 36,354 Group: Iris Member #2 Joined: March 20, 2005 Gender: Male Country: #0# True Name: Saturos Theme Song: https://youtu.be/mh5vyvMGhqE	uh If you really think that, I don't have anything more to say here. >___________>



Silvy	Aug 2 2015, 08:25 PM Post #676
idolswag4lyfe Posts: 4,760 Group: Venus Clan Member #210 Joined: July 3, 2007 Gender: Hollow Country: #238# True Name: Silvy Theme Song: https://youtu.be/AIG4mhLcplo	Gilgamesh Aug 2 2015, 08:08 PM Pretty sure they're on the exact same level of shameless pandering so long as it doesn't turn sexual Get off of your "my preferences are better because they aren't naked" stupid high horse Well, liking yuri that happens to be between 2 underaged girls won't land you in jail atleast.



Gilgamesh	Aug 2 2015, 08:27 PM Post #677
solbowz Aurarius Posts: 33,599 Group: Venus Clan Member #380 Joined: October 3, 2008 Gender: King of Heroes Blog: Shattered Symbosis Country: #226# True Name: Space Boyd Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h6lFNXzC1g	You're both missing the point but if this will stop you both from posting dumb shit I'm perfectly fine not elaborating at all



Seoulbowz	Aug 2 2015, 08:32 PM Post #678
Supergeil Posts: 19,233 Group: Sol Clan Member #54 Joined: May 28, 2006 Blog: Edeka Country: #79# True Name: Friedrich Liechtenstein Theme Song: https://youtu.be/jxVcgDMBU94	Saturos Aug 2 2015, 08:04 PM Pretty sure showing naked minors and two girls having a close friendship are on two different levels, Solbowz. I'm not trying to imply that showing Shirabe naked wasn't depraved or anything. However, like I said fanservice is still fanservice. Their have been plenty of yuri scenes in GX that were added just to pander to otakus, and that promote a specific stereotype about gay and lesbian relationships and people, just like the misinformation sequences and losing your clothes when your gear is destroyed are made to pander to otakus and etc. It's all shit. Just because yuri fanservice is lesbians doesn't make it any better written or any less pointless. You can call it "having a close friendship" all you want, there are better ways to portray that than pointless and poorly written yuri scenes.



Saturos	Aug 2 2015, 09:25 PM Post #679
heart-under-blade Posts: 36,354 Group: Iris Member #2 Joined: March 20, 2005 Gender: Male Country: #0# True Name: Saturos Theme Song: https://youtu.be/mh5vyvMGhqE	No, those are different things. Symphogear's use of "yuri" is implicit, not explicit, so it certainly doesn't represent it in a titillating or sexual way like, say, Sakura Trick or Prisma Illya does. It's hardly even fanservice so much as close friendships, which I can say are more or less accurate to the closeness of friendships in reality (if anything, there's less intimacy in this episode than in reality). You could maybe argue that it's representing stereotypes of same-sex relationships, but it isn't a relationship in the first place - so that's an inference that you the viewer are making. The equivalent to our other fanservice would be someone being naked off-screen instead of on-screen, in that this is only implied. Furthermore, you seem to imply that this "yuri"/close friendship is only to appeal to otakus, but Symphogear has a strong female fanbase (according to Peytral and Boyd, anyway), and I think Draco could vouch for it being appealing for its representation/implication of same-sex relationships. Same-sex bonds don't purely exist for the hetero audience, especially if there's no sexual component here. Speaking personally, I'd be just as happy as if it was a hetero "holding hands and attacking" thing. You're right, yuri being lesbians (which is kind of a tautology) doesn't make it any more or less pointless. There are perhaps better ways to portray it, and we can certainly discuss ways of presenting nuance and conflict in such relationships - but honestly, I think Symphogear does a decent enough (if ham-fisted) job in having inter-personal conflict and not having just a pure and idyllic relationship, but having conflict and disagreements between the pairs. Sometimes handled better than others, but there's some attempt to introduce nuance. I didn't say it was perfect or that it was even good, just that it's far more preferable to sexual fanservice, which generally is completely separate from character and any form of sexual empowerment (which would be weird as a theme anyway), and basically is just a matter of the camera or "plot" being voyeuristic in a way that's separate from the actions and agencies of the characters.



Seoulbowz	Aug 2 2015, 09:58 PM Post #680
Supergeil Posts: 19,233 Group: Sol Clan Member #54 Joined: May 28, 2006 Blog: Edeka Country: #79# True Name: Friedrich Liechtenstein Theme Song: https://youtu.be/jxVcgDMBU94	Quote: Symphogear's use of "yuri" is implicit, not explicit, so it certainly doesn't represent it in a titillating or sexual way like, say, Sakura Trick or Prisma Illya does. I disagree. I also disagree that fanservice has to be titillating or sexual, at least in the way that I think you're implying here. It doesn't have to be explicit or obvious that the point is to be sexual like the "lolita concept" outfits in the Music Video here, it's still fanservice and (in a way) sexual despite not being titillating. I'm operating under this assumption based on your examples of Prisma Ilya and Sakura Trick, as well as your complaints about sexual fanservice. So if I'm wrong about what you mean by titillating or sexual, my apologies. Quote: It's hardly even fanservice so much as close friendships, which I can say are more or less accurate to the closeness of friendships in reality Usually I'd be the first one to say "No, it's platonic." In fact I'm sure that you and I have even argued about it before. Except Edge Works' lyrics are literally about how much Kirika and Shirabe love each other and want to protect each other, and the scene in episode one makes it seem less platonic than Chris (and maybe Hibiki) are comfortable with. I'm not sure what whether it's platonic or not has to do with it being fanservice or not, though. Even if I thought Miku/Hibiki and Shirabe/Kirika had completely platonic relationships I'd still complain about the pointlessness of the scene in episode one, or the lilies on Kirika this episode. I didn't use it in my last post but I'd say Maria/Tsubasa are obviously a platonic relationship but Boyd thought I'd get mad about how gay Tsubasa blushing when Maria grabbed her hand in London was. Personally, I think that was character related and Tsubasa was just surprised by Maria actually doing things, but it -could- be interpreted as yuri fanservice. I'll concede the last point about most sexual fanservice being completely separate from a character's development. I think you're right. I'm not complaining about the yuri existing, I'm complaining about it not being done well and certain scenes or shots being added because certain segments of the fanbase want "muh yuri" or "muh lesbians". If it adds nuance to the characters than yuri scenes are fine, but there's a lot of yuri stuff this season which seems like it was added just for otaku pandering and just because it -can- be done well doesn't make it any better than Maria's boob bounce in the car or whatever. Though I think a decent amount of the yuri scenes this episode were done well.

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