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3deep5me: Anime Discussion Topic; Manga's okay too, we guess.
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Gilgamesh	Jul 30 2014, 07:53 AM Post #241
solbowz Aurarius Posts: 33,599 Group: Venus Clan Member #380 Joined: October 3, 2008 Gender: King of Heroes Blog: Shattered Symbosis Country: #226# True Name: Space Boyd Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h6lFNXzC1g	Well there's nothing I can really do if you have age and especially gender bias. Leaving aside that, though (that Kiritsugu is a manchild is the point; because of his childhood he never really mentally and emotionally grew up properly; if you listen to the Japanese, he uses "boku" for himself like a little boy), a big difference between the two is presentation. Kiritsugu and Homura are both tragic characters who, if you're going to be a fan of them at all, on some level it's going to be because they're pitiful (leaving aside people that want to have sex with Homura coughSILVYcough or the edgelords that like Kiritsugu because he kills people). Their goals aside, they obviously have similar outlooks and ways of doing things; though Kiritsugu is a bit quicker to pull the trigger, we know Homura would do it if needed (see: wanting to kill Sayaka so she won't become a witch and make Madoka sad). Fate/Zero, Madoka Rebellion The point of Fate/Zero is to show that Kiritsugu's logic is flawed and his way of doing things is wrong (moving on to Fate/Stay Night would further prove this, but that's neither here nor there). It does that, Kiritsugu gets his character development, and bittersweet (the show as a whole)/tragic (for him) ending. So, Kiritsugu's edgy kill spree was wrong. Kiritsugu learned from his mistakes, even if it was too late. Fate as a whole says he's wrong. The point of Madoka the original anime... isn't about Homura's development as a character, actually. But for Madoka Rebellion, it is. Homura goes through everything, then when she's finally going to be reunited with Madoka like she always wanted, she has her fall. Whether or not her choice is right is intentionally ambiguous. So, the work itself doesn't say if Homura is wrong or not, and that's a big difference. If you think what she did was stupid, then it's going to reflect on her if you don't think her logic leading up to that point made up for it. If you do think it did, then you pity her more. There's also the fact that Rebellion is inconclusive. Kiritsugu lives the rest of his life in pain, dies without ever seeing his daughter again, and dies without knowing that his little girl hates his guts and wanted to kill him. Homura is living in her own personally created hell, with, as of now, no comeuppance for her actions, should you think she deserve one. To compare, it'd be if like Fate/Zero ended with Kiritsugu making his wish anyway, and then seeing him like, wandering around the bodies of all the people he killed or something. It'd be his own damn fault, and some people would still pity him, but many would think he deserved it. Also the ending of Rebellion, that is, what happened, how it happened, and whatever is controversial in itself, and almost certainly affects how one views Homura. I certainly think that, leaving aside WHY Homura did what she did, that it could happen, that it actually happened, and all of that was stupid. It doesn't make sense to me. There was no foreshadowing in the entire series that you can somehow hijack the power of the Law of Cycles just by loving her twistedly. That is not a plot twist, that is shitty writing. This is what I meant by "morality". I like plenty of villainous characters and/or dicks. But essentially, Kiritsugu and Homura made opposite choices at the end, and I loved Kiritsugu's and hated hers, with respect to their series, their character, everything.



HyrulianJedi	Jul 30 2014, 10:25 AM Post #242
uguu~ Posts: 7,500 Group: Clanless Member #116 Joined: November 2, 2006 Gender: Girl Blog: I Hate Blogs Country: #0#	Gilgamesh Jul 30 2014, 07:53 AM if you listen to the Japanese, he uses "boku" for himself like a little boy), 'Boku' is the standard pronoun among all males, not just little boys. 'Ore' is slightly more common among young boys, and referring to oneself in the third person is almost exclusively done by children.



Gilgamesh	Jul 30 2014, 07:02 PM Post #243
solbowz Aurarius Posts: 33,599 Group: Venus Clan Member #380 Joined: October 3, 2008 Gender: King of Heroes Blog: Shattered Symbosis Country: #226# True Name: Space Boyd Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h6lFNXzC1g	Hm is it? I'm pretty sure it was picked for Kiritsugu for that purpose, at the very least. It was Urobuchi's idea and Nasu thought it was cute or something.



HyrulianJedi	Jul 30 2014, 10:34 PM Post #244
uguu~ Posts: 7,500 Group: Clanless Member #116 Joined: November 2, 2006 Gender: Girl Blog: I Hate Blogs Country: #0#	It's not formal, but my understanding was that "boku" was the go-to pronoun for all men, yeah. Someone with more moonrunes knowledge can correct me if that isn't the case. Saber also seems like a "boku" person, but I don't remember.



Saturos	Jul 30 2014, 11:26 PM Post #245
heart-under-blade Posts: 36,354 Group: Iris Member #2 Joined: March 20, 2005 Gender: Male Country: #0# True Name: Saturos Theme Song: https://youtu.be/mh5vyvMGhqE	Saber uses watashi, I'm pretty sure. I heard "Watashi wa... watashi wa...!" enough in either F/Z or F/SN to remember that much. xP

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