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Should we remove the 1000 post requirement for custom user titles?
Yes, remove it 4 (66.7%)
No, keep it 2 (33.3%)
Total Votes: 6
Suggestion: remove the 1000 post limit on user titles
Topic Started: Jul 15 2012, 10:37 PM (3,497 Views)
Super Slash


I don't understand the purpose of this. Sure it could be abused, but if it is, that's what the moderation system is for. And if we need a limit, why 1000? Isn't that a bit much? I think something like 200 or so is much more reasonable.

Thoughts?
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Raseren
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hello darkness my old friend

It's supposed to be just to show that you have been around for a bit right? I think 1000 is a good number considering the spamming maybe it should be lowered a little. Other then showing age which you could just see from join date or post count I really see no good purpose for a limit.
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Bane Martius Agni
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I disagree wholeheartedly. In fact, I've kind of been against allowing custom ones for a while. Make no mistake, I like them, but they once were just for staff members, and they stood out because they were the "Devious Empress of Ice" or whatever. I think we changed it once to a huge number of posts, and I was alright with that. Basically, even though they don't matter much, I always thought of custom titles as "special" and decreasing or removing a limit breaks that. Maybe there should be another criteria, besides post count. Tenure? Being a rad dude/dame? I dunno, but that's my thought.
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Saelnaha
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Let's just wait and see what happens.

At risk of getting them removed entirely, I'm going to go ahead and say that I agree with Slash here.
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UltaFlame
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Thanks Poui.

The 1000 limit does seem to mean a few things.

First, it encourages new members to spam. It doesn't matter the content of their posts - just whatever to get them to 1000 that doesn't break the rules or make anyone hate them too much. I know of at least one or two people who got to 1000 for the title and then dropped off the face of Temple into lurkdom.

Second, for those not willing to degrade themselves to pointless spam, it forces them to endure being one of the "not cool kids" who doesn't have a title until they happen to get 1000 meaningful posts, which in today's Temple environment will take months, depending on the interests of the guy or what they consider a meaningful post.

Third, it's entirely arbitrary. One thousand, one hundred, two thousand. Ten thousand? Five hundred, thirty, twenty two. Five thousand two hundred and eleven. What difference does it make? Temple is a severely lax environment in terms of rules. Places more strict wouldn't allow people name changes, ever. Or special user titles. Also ever. Barring special events which would be about once a year, maybe.

In conclusion, it's no matter to me what's decided. However, at Temple it seems to be a detriment not to be able to change your title. We have rules for certain things to require you to change a part of your profile that can be seen regardless of avatar or sig changes. For most people, that means user title. For those who can't change their user title, that means gender field. All in all, whatever. The way it is now is how it's been since before I joined and that was nearly three years ago. I've heard no complaints since then so I can't really say anything needs to get changed.
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Phoenix7
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Odyssey, ya see~ Odyssey, ya see~

UltaFlame
Jul 16 2012, 02:56 AM
Second, for those not willing to degrade themselves to pointless spam, it forces them to endure being one of the "not cool kids" who doesn't have a title until they happen to get 1000 meaningful posts, which in today's Temple environment will take months, depending on the interests of the guy or what they consider a meaningful post.
I know Ulta that you aren't saying for a second all of Temple is like this, but I personally would rather judge someone by their personality and nature rather than by whether they have a user title or not. Heck, until this point I forget there was even a limit. I can understand some people may feel left out because they can't change it, but...it's a user title. It's not worth much, if anything, at the end of the day IMO. If people feel that strongly about it, I can understand it, but would rather they channel that passion into being polite and thoughtful posting. That's how you become a 'cool kid', or heck, even just accepted here.
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Adnarel
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I'd rather be outside.

Back in my day, we had to*shot*
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UltaFlame
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Thanks Poui.

Phoenix7
Jul 16 2012, 04:48 AM
UltaFlame
Jul 16 2012, 02:56 AM
Second, for those not willing to degrade themselves to pointless spam, it forces them to endure being one of the "not cool kids" who doesn't have a title until they happen to get 1000 meaningful posts, which in today's Temple environment will take months, depending on the interests of the guy or what they consider a meaningful post.
I know Ulta that you aren't saying for a second all of Temple is like this
If you know that's not what I'm saying, why bother bringing it up?
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Phoenix7
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Odyssey, ya see~ Odyssey, ya see~

Just putting forth my opinion on how I judge members, and that I don't think personally they need to fear being outcasted for not having a member title. Wasn't intended to be an attack or anything, so I'm sorry if it came across that way. Anyway, this is veering off away from the topic, so I'll just hold my tongue.
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Kiki
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Kiki Martius Chantico

A long time ago, when I was on the staff, we decided to allow custom member titles at a certain number because we felt it was a fun present for being on the forum for a while. Like a little "you've been here a few months now, here's a present!" 1000 posts was a good number because, spam or no, it reflects someone who has been around for long enough to deserve a fun bonus. The number was not set as a countermeasure against abuse. It's like an xbox achievement.
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Admiral Miral
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The Light of Hope

Pretty sure it took me over a year to get 1000 posts and I really didn't care about the user title too much, so...
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Adnarel
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I'd rather be outside.

ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED: Apathy
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Jackal
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Come and Take It - Temple Tsundere

I'm confused as to why you care, Slash, considering you're over the original limit anyway and this has no effect on you thus.

Also if this topic devolves into a bitchfight I will personally crack open all of your skulls, I swear.
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leaf
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...you really could pick out jackal's posts without ever seeing his username/sig/etc, couldn't you?

Anyway, as someone only 20 or so posts away from being able to have a custom title (besides the one ryu assigned me for kitty litter day), I'll have to agree with slash on the matter. It's a really pointless limit. A custom user title is a matter of expression; a carefully selected user title with the right avatar affects people's impressions of you. As someone that usually likes to pair avatars with titles, I found it kinda annoying when I first joined that I would have to wait for 1000 posts to get one. In fact, it was far enough away that I actually forgot you could even get a member title at 1k posts and had accepted this forum as a place that you can't set a member title at.

Ultimately, I view user titles as something people have just as much right to change as their avatar or sig. Locking user titles for x posts is like locking avatars or sigs for x posts. Or locking the ability to post images. Or links. Or view links. Or... you get the point. It's not a "bonus" - or it shouldn't be, anyway; it's a part of the entire forum experience. A "bonus" would be something like getting a bigger PM inbox, but even then, I see no reason why (as an example) the larger inbox couldn't just be a default. People don't need "incentives" like that to post. Their incentive is the forum itself, the people on it, and the posts those people contribute. That's all the incentive anyone ever needs, and if that isn't enough, they wouldn't have melded well with the forum to begin with.

I was actually planning on making a thread like this myself, once I hit 1k (and remembered that user titles exist, anyway), specifically so people couldn't say "oh, you're just annoyed that you have to wait" or something like that, dismissing the argument just because it happened to be actually relevant to me. Well, it's true. I don't like that I have to wait for something that should be standard, and I don't think others should have to wait, either.
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Saturos
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Sorry Slash, I don't think we have any plans to change the system as is. ^^; As Kiki said, it's just a fun little way to recognize people, since we had gone a few years without allowing anybody but staff, Leaders, and Seconds to have custom titles -- as Bane said.
If anything, it would either be 1,000, 5,000, or not at all. xD
Ulta, to briefly address a couple of your points:
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I know of at least one or two people who got to 1000 for the title and then dropped off the face of Temple into lurkdom.

If someone isn't interested in Temple, I don't think they would stay and bother to get to 1,000 just for the ability to have a custom title at a forum they didn't particularly care about. It is likely they stopped posting for other reasons. ^^;
You're right that it is arbitrary, but any decision in this matter would be. We just set it at 1,000 because it's a nice, round number and the first of the four digits. Not too low, not too high.

Leaf, you believe that titles should be the standard, and a "right." We decided to make it a nice little way of rewarding the people who stick around. =) And since it hadn't really been bothering you:
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In fact, it was far enough away that I actually forgot you could even get a member title at 1k posts and had accepted this forum as a place that you can't set a member title at.

I think it works as a little show of recognition, doesn't it?

Anyway, yeah, I don't think we're changing it. ^^;; Thank you for your feedback all the same, though! Maybe down the road if we change our minds, we'll remember this.
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leaf
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I don't think it's a show of recognition at all. I don't look at a person and say "hey, they have a custom user title, they must be cool!" Do you?

I'm a firm believer in Post Count Doesn't Matter™. Someone just joined and has 3 posts? Great. Are they quality posts? Then they're cool. Are they spam? We'll see if they improve. This form of "recognition" rewards the spammers before it rewards the quality members.

The problem with using this system is that it only affects new members. The large majority of active members here are already past the 1k post mark (or like myself, are close to it). So removing the requirement wouldn't do anything to affect most users. At this point, I'd say it has less to do with recognition and more to do with excluding people that are new to the club.
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SeaMonkeyFarmer
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I say we remove the option entirely and give it back to staff members :awe:

...But yeah actually I'm serious about that, or at least agree with Satty. It's supposed to be a special treat!
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Bane Martius Agni
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SeaMonkeyFarmer
Jul 16 2012, 02:41 PM
I say we remove the option entirely and give it back to staff members :awe:

...But yeah actually I'm serious about that, or at least agree with Satty. It's supposed to be a special treat!
<3
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Super Slash


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Jul 16 2012, 12:48 PM
I'm confused as to why you care, Slash, considering you're over the original limit anyway and this has no effect on you thus.

Also if this topic devolves into a bitchfight I will personally crack open all of your skulls, I swear.
Well, Storm was asking me about it and it just got me thinking. That's all really.
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Kula Diamond
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atlus tracts

make it -i posts imo
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