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Mafia Forum
Topic Started: Jul 5 2012, 10:18 AM (3,745 Views)
Princess Emi
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okay sorry Necare but I just can't deal with reading 5 paragraphs of how dumb I am or whatever for reasons I am NOT saying in public. you can PM me or something if you're really concerned about that and why it's always "I feel this way", okay?

I'll try to come back to this thread later, I'm not going to do anyone any good by reading that or posting anything right now.
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Saturos
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Jul 10 2012, 06:14 PM
I suppose the only major arguments I can propose to counter all this are a handful:

1. Mafia has always been a Forum Game system, not a true RP. It has RP-like elements, but it isn't story-building or character interaction.

2. It might be more convenient to several people if the Mafias were all in one place, and didn't have to compete with the normal RPs for headlining time.

3. Several of the RPs that you've mentioned as being active are somewhat exclusive in terms of membership and activity. They can't exactly be used to comment on the status of the RP section in general.
1. While this may roughly be true, it doesn't determine that therefore Mafia shouldn't be there. Seeing as these rules are entirely arbitrary and decided by ourselves, there's nothing that says Mafia+RP couldn't be a thing.
2. I agree with this one~
3. However, I think it's somewhat in the nature of RPs to be exclusive in membership and activity. Looking over the history of Temple, I think the only one that was really Temple-wide was D&R in its early stages, which is to say late '07/early '08.

Now, I'm going to go ahead and append a poll, since I think we're at the point where people have their positions and are set in it. So let anyone who cares to vote, vote, and we'll see what kind of numbers we end up with. ^^

And Necare, I do think that that might have been something better suited to a PM...
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Necare
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Well I can believe she didn't read them since that's not what I freaking said.

Anyway. I had thought about your third point myself Isk and neglected to mention it for two reasons.

1. Why shouldn't they? They're the RPs that are active, and no one seems to have a problem with them being allowed in the general RP forum. The specific RPs shouldn't matter; the point is that clearly, it is possible to have RPs progress and not be impeded in any way by the fact that there is a mafia thread floating in the same area of the board as them.

2. If we accept that their exclusivity makes them a bad example, well then, why don't we just make a separate forum for them too, if they're not fitting what people think the RP forum should be about? There has to be a line drawn between how anal we get about categorization like this. Those exclusive RPs do not impede the larger ones, and neither does mafia. The only thing that kills RPs is a lack of interest. Plenty of people either roleplay while ignoring mafia games completely, or play mafia and do not care for roleplaying. And there are members like myself perfectly capable of engaging in both. The fact that they're located in the same part of the Temple does not affect these facts in any way.


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Bane Martius Agni
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You're all plebians for not using active topics anyway.
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The Commander
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Kill Thalmor.

I'm going to have to agree with Necare over the smothering. Looking back on it (I was running my mouth and not thinking shit through), if people are too damn lazy to make a couple more mouse clicks to find their RP, then to be perfectly damn honest, their RP deserves to be buried, no matter how active or exclusive it is.

That being said, I'm not sure how much Mafia and RPs have in common anymore. Sure, some Mafias have some bit of RPing in them, but it's never central, and given how Mafia has recently come into its own, I still think they should have their own separate forum, if for nothing else, housekeeping.

However, if people want it just because the most recent post is a Mafia game and not Fall of Adepts or Age of Clan Wars or whatever you goofballs do, then as I said before, your doo-dods deserve to get buried if you can't be bothered to click your mouse a couple more times.

Quite frankly though, I'm not sure how much I truly give a damn, so feel free to disregard anything I say.
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Tractatus
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You guys are adorable. I've read through the concerns here, and I'm just going to weigh in myself.

First off, I'm just gonna say I'm in favour of having a subforum for mafia. Before I get into what I will be arguing for, let me first clarify what I specifically will NOT be arguing:

1. Need; frankly, I don't think there is such a need, and I will be fine with it if the current system stays.

2. Headline spot; I'm not convinced that any of you are seriously advancing something so trivial. As it had already been addressed, headline spot, even when dominated by mafia activity, doesn't impede the progress of your other RPs. Honestly, this is like a complaint about people getting post count increase for posting in PG, as if post count is any indication of...anything; I feel the same way about headline spots, I mean we are not running competing advertising firms, it's not the end of the world if you don't make the headline all the time. Though if you are convinced that headlines are absolutely crucial to the very fabric of your existence on this forum, we can possibly run an experiment of disabling the headline just to see how you strong your point will stand. I think it's possible to do that.

3. Burying/Squishing of genuine RPs; see 1+2. Again I don't consider this to be an actual problem in need of being addressed. It's not something I can see to impede the progression of other RPs in any way, plus with the current system, we have a maximum record of 2 RPs running at once, and when finished it will be moved to the archive. So this becomes essentially a math problem: it takes a certain number of topics to bury a forum, and the amount of mafia topics active at one time does not meet that quota.

Now that, I hope, we are clear with what I am not advancing, let's move on to why I am in favour of the mafia subforum.

1. To appease some people's OCD organizational aesthetics, as you can evidently see in this topic to be present. It seems to me like a reasonable compromise without any foreseeable damage to your forum experience(please correct me if you think I'm wrong on this point), no matter how unnecessary you may consider this move to be.

2. Convenience for the actual mafia game. It's been gone on for 30+ games now, it should be a reasonable time for us to sit back and reflect and say "okay, this is a thing here at the temple, and it's very popular, let's give it its own forum so it can run smoother." The thing about mafia is that while it contain some RP elements, it's much more rule-based, and the need to use the discussion to talk about mechanics or refer back to the proposal topic for any unique GM rules is more likely a concern. At least this is why I think the mafia discussion topic has more posts to it than pretty much all the other discussions(except FoM, but >_> well I think for our purpose it's reasonable to overlook that exception). I don't know if anyone found a problem with these, if not, I can just suck it up. But I have found it somewhat inconvenient having to move around between three different topics in three different forums.

So yes, convenience and organizational aesthetics are all that I am really advancing here. It's something I think would be nice to have, but I don't think that there is any actual problem with what we have that need to be addressed.

So for those of you who also think it's something nice to have, please just say that. Don't make this seem more urgent a thing than it actually is. I mean, really, while I do love you guys with all my tentacles, please stop advancing the silly arguments in my first list there, it's not earning you any points.
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Adnarel
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I'd rather be outside.

I'm with T-Money here.
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The Commander
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Kill Thalmor.

Tractatus
Jul 10 2012, 11:33 PM
...it's something nice to have...
This, basically.
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Hisui
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Seccy "no fun allowed" Secundum

The Commander
Jul 10 2012, 11:40 PM
Tractatus
Jul 10 2012, 11:33 PM
...it's something nice to have...
This, basically.
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Saelnaha
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Let's just wait and see what happens.

My humble opinion is that the system is perfectly fine the way it is.

That being said, the fact I have said this makes it the personal mission of roughly half the forum to ensure something changes.
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Bane Martius Agni
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Sclater is a witch and I demand she be burned.
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Tractatus
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Says Baneondorf, a Gonadnarel.
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Bane Martius Agni
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Who do you hate more, fair Temple? Gonadnarels or witches?!
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Saturos
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I... actually agree completely with Tractatus. MADNESS

Steve, when you complain that half the forum wants to change it to spite you, that just makes me want to actually spite you <_< >_> <_<
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The Commander
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Kill Thalmor.

Bane Martius Agni
Jul 11 2012, 02:10 PM
Who do you hate more, fair Temple? Gonadnarels or witches?!
I don't give a flying rat's ass.

Seriously, take it to PG.
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Saturos
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Witch Gonadnarels are the worst.
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Saelnaha
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Let's just wait and see what happens.

Saturos
Jul 11 2012, 02:10 PM
Steve, when you complain that half the forum wants to change it to spite you, that just makes me want to actually spite you <_< >_> <_<
Which only serves to prove my goddamn point.
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Saturos
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<3 you, Stebe
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Boner Midget
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"HAHA, LOOK AT HOW SMALL IT IS."

You guys are cute.
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