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Topic Started: Jul 3 2012, 04:33 PM (20,724 Views)
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I'd say Quake and DOOM have more in common with Metroid Prime than they do with Call of Duty or any other modern FPS, and nobody would doubt those are First Person Shooters.
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from the little i played of metroid prime it's 100% FPS
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ShinyGirafarig
Dec 30 2014, 08:42 AM
Role
Dec 30 2014, 08:06 AM
And seriously, dood - GUNS. Not bows. Not swords. FPSes use GUNS.
Well First Person Shooter. Looks like there needs to be a name change if it should include other things.
If Gilgamesh and Shirou qualify as "Archers" with the Gate of Babylon and UBW as their signature moves, then surely we can all consider the possibility that "shooter" can refer to more than just guns.

(This is an unpopular opinions thread, right?)
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ShinyGirafarig
Dec 30 2014, 08:42 AM
Role
Dec 30 2014, 08:06 AM
And seriously, dood - GUNS. Not bows. Not swords. FPSes use GUNS.
Well First Person Shooter. Looks like there needs to be a name change if it should include other things.

And since it is controversal what would you put the Metroid Prime series under?
Prime I'd say is an FPS, to the point that others actually took notes. However, like borderlands, it's easily argued to be a hyrbid genre game - Half FPS, half... well, I guess you'd call it metroidvania?

@Nell: Genres aren't much an opinion thing, but I do appreciate the shot of humor. ^-^
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FPS = First person shooter.
Skyrim = First person with the ability to shoot things.
Skyrim = FPS.
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That's blatant troll logic and you know it.
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uh oh

if it's troll logic then why are you even responding?
Nell
Dec 30 2014, 06:05 PM
ShinyGirafarig
Dec 30 2014, 08:42 AM
Role
Dec 30 2014, 08:06 AM
And seriously, dood - GUNS. Not bows. Not swords. FPSes use GUNS.
Well First Person Shooter. Looks like there needs to be a name change if it should include other things.
If Gilgamesh and Shirou qualify as "Archers" with the Gate of Babylon and UBW as their signature moves, then surely we can all consider the possibility that "shooter" can refer to more than just guns.

(This is an unpopular opinions thread, right?)
yeah but why is saber in the saber class if she isn't even wielding a saber
Edited by Momentime, Dec 30 2014, 08:32 PM.
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Admiral Miral
Dec 30 2014, 07:54 PM
FPS = First person shooter.
Skyrim = First person with the ability to shoot things.
Skyrim = FPS.
RPG = Role-playing game.
Sonic the Hedgehog = Game in which you play the role of a character.
Sonic the Hedgehog = RPG.
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Giraffes are adorable.

Role
Dec 30 2014, 07:47 PM
ShinyGirafarig
Dec 30 2014, 08:42 AM
Role
Dec 30 2014, 08:06 AM
And seriously, dood - GUNS. Not bows. Not swords. FPSes use GUNS.
Well First Person Shooter. Looks like there needs to be a name change if it should include other things.

And since it is controversal what would you put the Metroid Prime series under?
Prime I'd say is an FPS, to the point that others actually took notes. However, like borderlands, it's easily argued to be a hyrbid genre game - Half FPS, half... well, I guess you'd call it metroidvania?

@Nell: Genres aren't much an opinion thing, but I do appreciate the shot of humor. ^-^
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Role
Dec 30 2014, 08:06 AM
Sanae Kochiya
Dec 29 2014, 12:34 PM
Skyrim certainly has more in common with an FPS than just the camera angle, depending on how you build your character.
THIS. That phrase, RIGHT THERE, is why Skyrim is an RPG, and not an FPS. FPS isn't simply a matter of "shooting from a first person perspective" - again, a wide variety of games fall under that category, but aren't considered an FPS. Hell, Skyrim isn't even a first person game - it has both first and third person perspectives, and will force you into third person quite frequently, especially if you're a vamp or wolf.

But an FPS? It doesn't give you the choice of playing that way. You play that way, period. There is no "you can build to be an FPS". There is no real build, for that matter - it's much more twitch based, oriented mostly around the skill of the player than the plotting and character progression. While many FPSes have RPG elements in them nowadays, it's never a main or core part of the experience, merely something to keep the player invested and feeling like they have a sense of progression in an otherwise multiplayer centric title. The main choice in FPSes isn't your class or skills, but your loadout - which guns you carry into battle. And seriously, dood - GUNS. Not bows. Not swords. FPSes use GUNS.

Christ dood, I don't play FPSes that much and even I can tell the difference. I'm kind of started that you can't really tell. I mean, would playing skyrim in third person make it a TPS to you? I'm not meaning to be condescending here, I just genuinely don't see where you're coming from at all when you're calling Skyrim an FPS of all things. I mean, hell, you've got to mod the crap out of it just to get gun-like weapons into it, and even then it won't play or behave at all like an FPS... They couldn't be much more different, mechanically.
I think your conception of genre is pretty severely limited, Role. There's a lot of haze around the edges, especially when companies deliberately incorporate aspects of other genres.
Also, please watch your tone. Whenever you say "I don't mean to be condescending," it pretty much implies that you know you're being condescending but are going to keep on ahead anyway (otherwise, why say anything at all?). Secondly, you set up a strawman of "when you're calling Skyrim an FPS," which -- if you're still talking to Silvy -- he never said.
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Skyrim certainly has more in common with an FPS than just the camera angle, depending on how you build your character. Sure, if you "sword and board" it's obviously not going to play like an FPS but with the long range capability of archery and magic it's more of an RPG/FPS similar to what Borderlands is in terms of gameplay. Likewise an FPS with RPG elements such as Bioshock can also allow you to build and play your character around melee combat.


Silvy didn't say that it's an FPS, but rather that you can make it to play like a blended RPG/FPS, and that there were more similarities than just the camera angle.

Magic selection and your bow choice would be your loadout, though the gameplay would be more like a sniper than anything. You could maybe argue that because your enemies don't always use ranged attacks it's not an FPS, but no one's saying that it's 100% an FPS. But you crouch or take cover, aim your reticule, fire, reload (either with mana recovering or by fitting one of your limited stock of arrows), there are physics that account for how your shot travels on some shots (like a grenade launcher) but not with magic, and you have a melee attack if enemies get too close.
One of the most satisfying things in stuff like Gears of War and Bioshock is using your melee attack.

It might not be a FPS, but I think what everyone is saying is that it has some FPS-like aspects.
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HyrulianJedi
Dec 30 2014, 10:52 PM
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Dec 30 2014, 07:54 PM
FPS = First person shooter.
Skyrim = First person with the ability to shoot things.
Skyrim = FPS.
RPG = Role-playing game.
Sonic the Hedgehog = Game in which you play the role of a character.
Sonic the Hedgehog = RPG.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_Chronicles:_The_Dark_Brotherhood
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I'm sure there was a hybrid term for first person melee centric gameplay...
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uh oh

Admiral Miral
Dec 31 2014, 02:19 AM
HyrulianJedi
Dec 30 2014, 10:52 PM
Admiral Miral
Dec 30 2014, 07:54 PM
FPS = First person shooter.
Skyrim = First person with the ability to shoot things.
Skyrim = FPS.
RPG = Role-playing game.
Sonic the Hedgehog = Game in which you play the role of a character.
Sonic the Hedgehog = RPG.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_Chronicles:_The_Dark_Brotherhood
and halo had an rts game come out a while ago. what is your point
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peytral pls

Devil May Cry's my favorite third-person shooter.
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Admiral Miral
Dec 31 2014, 02:19 AM
I said Sonic the Hedgehog, not the Sonic series of games.

I can be a pedant too, Miral.
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She's just baiting at this point.
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Jan 1 2015, 12:27 AM
She's just baiting at this point.
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Dec 30 2014, 11:37 PM
Role
Dec 30 2014, 08:06 AM
Sanae Kochiya
Dec 29 2014, 12:34 PM
Skyrim certainly has more in common with an FPS than just the camera angle, depending on how you build your character.
THIS. That phrase, RIGHT THERE, is why Skyrim is an RPG, and not an FPS. FPS isn't simply a matter of "shooting from a first person perspective" - again, a wide variety of games fall under that category, but aren't considered an FPS. Hell, Skyrim isn't even a first person game - it has both first and third person perspectives, and will force you into third person quite frequently, especially if you're a vamp or wolf.

But an FPS? It doesn't give you the choice of playing that way. You play that way, period. There is no "you can build to be an FPS". There is no real build, for that matter - it's much more twitch based, oriented mostly around the skill of the player than the plotting and character progression. While many FPSes have RPG elements in them nowadays, it's never a main or core part of the experience, merely something to keep the player invested and feeling like they have a sense of progression in an otherwise multiplayer centric title. The main choice in FPSes isn't your class or skills, but your loadout - which guns you carry into battle. And seriously, dood - GUNS. Not bows. Not swords. FPSes use GUNS.

Christ dood, I don't play FPSes that much and even I can tell the difference. I'm kind of started that you can't really tell. I mean, would playing skyrim in third person make it a TPS to you? I'm not meaning to be condescending here, I just genuinely don't see where you're coming from at all when you're calling Skyrim an FPS of all things. I mean, hell, you've got to mod the crap out of it just to get gun-like weapons into it, and even then it won't play or behave at all like an FPS... They couldn't be much more different, mechanically.
I think your conception of genre is pretty severely limited, Role. There's a lot of haze around the edges, especially when companies deliberately incorporate aspects of other genres.
Also, please watch your tone. Whenever you say "I don't mean to be condescending," it pretty much implies that you know you're being condescending but are going to keep on ahead anyway (otherwise, why say anything at all?). Secondly, you set up a strawman of "when you're calling Skyrim an FPS," which -- if you're still talking to Silvy -- he never said.


I have known issues with my inability to properly convey tone online. I was actually trying to make sure they knew I wasn't trying to talk down to him or to be offensive in my post. In addition, this was more of a reply to the overall discussion, not a reply specifically to Sanae.
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Wheey! I've became a human being!! I am very handsam!

Hey, so here's an FPS that uses wands and spell-casting instead of guns and military shit!

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/01/12/the-last-best-of-2014-ziggurat/
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Visually it reminds me a lot of Metroid Prime.

Though after watching the gameplay trailer, the boss fights seem to be very attrition-based. Still, watching for a sale, it looks interesting.
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