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Topic Started: Jul 3 2012, 04:33 PM (20,725 Views)
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First Person Shooters should expand to other literary genres. Can you imagine an FPS that takes place in a High Fantasy Setting, such as Eberron? I figure have the weapons work more like covenant weaponry in halo as far as the projectile types are concerned, and have different effect for different ammo elements...
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Thanks Poui.

Oddly, one such already exists, iirc, there was a Wheel of Time game made that was FPS.
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Skyrim
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Thanks Poui.

Yeah, okay, magerim is kinda fps-ey
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Dec 27 2014, 12:54 PM
Skyrim
No, I mean actually an FPS, not just a first person RPG.
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What's considered an "actual" FPS? How is it any different from shooting things in a first person mode?
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uh oh

Needs to be less western fantasy games in general is my unpopular opinion
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KoF '98 deserves to be EVO main event

*runs*
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Wheey! I've became a human being!! I am very handsam!

They'll need to give away a free Mai shirt again to get more than 50 entrants tho

Or hold the event in Korea
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pls
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Dec 27 2014, 02:25 PM
What's considered an "actual" FPS? How is it any different from shooting things in a first person mode?
Primarily? Why you play the game, and how the mechanics work. Skyrim is a First Person RPG - the actual character growth and adventure take priority. A FPS is where the action is the main mechanic - games like Call of Duty and Halo are your prime examples here. Now, a better argument for you would have been the Borderlands Series, which I'd argue could be considered both. It's a beautiful blend of RPG and FPS, and could easily be considered a member of both genres.

Skyrim, however, isn't. It's far more RPG than FPS - in fact, the only reason you're arguing FPS is because of the first person view, which of course relies entirely on pretending that third person isn't a thing. Not only that, but Skyrim lets you do thing thing called "Sword and Board", which is kind of the opposite of what FPSes tend to do.

Simply put, the only thing Skyrim has in common with an FPS is the camera angle, and camera angles don't make the genre. By the logic of camera angles, Gone Home is an FPS, and I'll call BS on that claim any day of the week, as would anyone else I imagine.
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Thanks Poui.

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Dec 27 2014, 12:52 PM
Oddly, one such already exists, iirc, there was a Wheel of Time game made that was FPS.
Reiterating this because it hasn't been addressed yet.
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Dec 27 2014, 02:25 PM
What's considered an "actual" FPS? How is it any different from shooting things in a first person mode?
An actual FPS would have way better controls than Skyrim and would have had fun combat.
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There was this last-gen fps called Legendary where Pandora's Box gets opened and a bunch of mythological beasts come out and start attacking everyone. You still used normal guns though.
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Dec 28 2014, 12:29 PM
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Dec 27 2014, 02:25 PM
What's considered an "actual" FPS? How is it any different from shooting things in a first person mode?
Primarily? Why you play the game, and how the mechanics work. Skyrim is a First Person RPG - the actual character growth and adventure take priority. A FPS is where the action is the main mechanic - games like Call of Duty and Halo are your prime examples here. Now, a better argument for you would have been the Borderlands Series, which I'd argue could be considered both. It's a beautiful blend of RPG and FPS, and could easily be considered a member of both genres.

Skyrim, however, isn't. It's far more RPG than FPS - in fact, the only reason you're arguing FPS is because of the first person view, which of course relies entirely on pretending that third person isn't a thing. Not only that, but Skyrim lets you do thing thing called "Sword and Board", which is kind of the opposite of what FPSes tend to do.

Simply put, the only thing Skyrim has in common with an FPS is the camera angle, and camera angles don't make the genre. By the logic of camera angles, Gone Home is an FPS, and I'll call BS on that claim any day of the week, as would anyone else I imagine.
Skyrim certainly has more in common with an FPS than just the camera angle, depending on how you build your character. Sure, if you "sword and board" it's obviously not going to play like an FPS but with the long range capability of archery and magic it's more of an RPG/FPS similar to what Borderlands is in terms of gameplay. Likewise an FPS with RPG elements such as Bioshock can also allow you to build and play your character around melee combat.

I do agree that it would be nice to see more FPS games in fantasy settings. Perhaps more science fantasy settings in particular would lend themselves towards FPS gameplay since guns can be a common element of such already. Alternatively, there is the rare example of one using magic in an FPS like the Wheel of Time game Ulta mentioned which would be neat as well. Not only does it provide a more unique world for an FPS(since most have very little, if not any fantasy elements) but it also allows for more varied gameplay by using magic alongside guns and having more different types of enemies than just humans.

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An actual FPS would have way better controls than Skyrim and would have had fun combat.

Actually, I think archery made combat more fun in Skyrim than melee, I know that's not saying much but it's something.
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Wheey! I've became a human being!! I am very handsam!

I always liked having Archery as a minor skill in Morrowind, even if only to snipe Cliff Racers before they bug you.
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Dec 29 2014, 12:34 PM
Skyrim certainly has more in common with an FPS than just the camera angle, depending on how you build your character.
THIS. That phrase, RIGHT THERE, is why Skyrim is an RPG, and not an FPS. FPS isn't simply a matter of "shooting from a first person perspective" - again, a wide variety of games fall under that category, but aren't considered an FPS. Hell, Skyrim isn't even a first person game - it has both first and third person perspectives, and will force you into third person quite frequently, especially if you're a vamp or wolf.

But an FPS? It doesn't give you the choice of playing that way. You play that way, period. There is no "you can build to be an FPS". There is no real build, for that matter - it's much more twitch based, oriented mostly around the skill of the player than the plotting and character progression. While many FPSes have RPG elements in them nowadays, it's never a main or core part of the experience, merely something to keep the player invested and feeling like they have a sense of progression in an otherwise multiplayer centric title. The main choice in FPSes isn't your class or skills, but your loadout - which guns you carry into battle. And seriously, dood - GUNS. Not bows. Not swords. FPSes use GUNS.

Christ dood, I don't play FPSes that much and even I can tell the difference. I'm kind of started that you can't really tell. I mean, would playing skyrim in third person make it a TPS to you? I'm not meaning to be condescending here, I just genuinely don't see where you're coming from at all when you're calling Skyrim an FPS of all things. I mean, hell, you've got to mod the crap out of it just to get gun-like weapons into it, and even then it won't play or behave at all like an FPS... They couldn't be much more different, mechanically.
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Dec 30 2014, 08:06 AM
And seriously, dood - GUNS. Not bows. Not swords. FPSes use GUNS.
Well First Person Shooter. Looks like there needs to be a name change if it should include other things.

And since it is controversal what would you put the Metroid Prime series under?
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Dec 30 2014, 08:42 AM
Well First Person Shooter. Looks like there needs to be a name change if it should include other things.

And since it is controversal what would you put the Metroid Prime series under?

I'd say the Prime games are technically FPS games. Technically being the key word. It's in first person, minus the morphball sections, you shoot a gun, can sprint/jump, etc. It's probably not what would be considered an FPS by today's standards, though.

That mostly falls to the aforementioned CoD, Halo, etc.
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