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Skyrim....
Topic Started: Nov 10 2011, 12:44 AM (15,919 Views)
UltaFlame
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Thanks Poui.

I find the lack of a satisfying end interesting. Yeah, nothing seems like you're accomplishing anything - but isn't that the point? You saved Tamriel... but the Empire is still in ruins and the Thalmor still run things. You freed Skyrim and gave it to the True Sons of Skyrim. ...Oh, but the Empire is in even WORSE condition now. You saved Skyrim from the Stormcloak threat! ...Yet, again, the Thalmor position is only strengthened. You're the leader of the Dark Brotherhood, and you assassinated the EMPEROR.

...The guy was pretty much powerless. Also, for all that you're not a viable thing again, you still have less than ten people to your cause.

Etc, etc. Everything the Dovahkiin does leaves no satisfying end for him/her
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http://www.reddit.com/r/skyrim/comments/np4ry/id_like_a_quick_word_with_you_brynjolf_spoilers/

It's less that and more a limitation of the game. I.E. Imperial minions telling their Legate and famous war-hero to "Move along, scum."
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Watch the spoilers, Luta~

I'm not sure if that would excuse incomplete storytelling... is that explicitly addressed in game, Luta? Does someone confront you after these events happen and tell you the consequences? Or are we putting something into the game that isn't mentioned? Does someone tell you how much of a fool you are after you put down/side with the Stormcloaks, because x is the result?

I know Oblivion had the same kind of thing... some nice buildup and then nope,

Spoiler: click to toggle


But yeah... again, the gameplay is great, and the atmosphere is, but the characters/plot aren't that deep. Still good, though. :3
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Plus Ultra

It makes me sad that completing the missions has no real effect on the world. It really removes the realism.
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Wheey! I've became a human being!! I am very handsam!

This is how all the Elder Scrolls games have gone, really. Spoilers for those ahead I suppose


In Daggerfall, a Dragon Break occurs which means that everyone wins and everyone loses simultaneously despite this being impossible. So the Agent doesn't really accomplish the goal he set out to do, no matter what he did the same result was going to occur.

In Morrowind, you defeat Dagoth Ur, but in doing so you also end the Tribunal's divinity. Vivec leaves and the High Fane, which was floating due to the Tribunal and the people of Morrowind's belief in them, falls, causing Red Mountain to erupt and destroy Vvardenfell. The Argonians then sweep in and take over the mainland of Morrowind. Despite Nerevarine's actions the Dunmer of Morrowind were still doomed.

Same kind of stuff in Oblivion. Mehrunes Dagon is gone, sure, but the Empire is still in a very sorry state, etc
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The Sin Thesis
Dec 24 2011, 09:27 AM
You should play a Khajiit pickpocket. His primary means of dispatching opponents should be one of two: reverse-pickpocketing their poison, or taking their own weapon and backstabbing them with it.

As for the weapons: All versions of the game have a really weird behaviour. Fortify Restoration potions also apply their multiplier to your equipment enchantments, and also to other fortify restoration potions. So...

0) Buy a crapton of fortify restoration reagents (Fast travel between the alchemy shops; they should all restock by the time you've made one round).
1) Equip fortify alchemy clothing.
2) Create fortify restoration potion.
3) Drink potion.
4) Reequip alchemy clothing (refresh stats)
5) Repeat steps 2-4 until you have insane levels of fortify restoration potion. Do not wait until you get negative integers. Weird things happen then.
6) Go to a grindstone,
7) Drink potion
8) Equip fortify smithing clothes.
9) Upgrade stuff. (Mehrune's Razor and Daedric bows use ebony ingots)

This also had the interesting side effect of rocketing me from around alchemy level 55 to 56 with one large potion, and then from 56 to 100 with the next iteration.

As a side note, I tried using my crazy-high potionmaking boost to make a fortify enchanting potion. It was at least 8 digits of multiplier. If I drink the potion, the game crashes when I try to select an enchantment.
Wait, are you serious?!

Oh, god, talk about insane exploits. Thank god there isn't multiplayer, imagine if everyone was running around with godsmith'd gear!
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Yep, dead serious. There's youtube videos that'll show the whole process without any cuts, if you don't feel like doing it yourself. You don't need to bother with armor though. You hit the armor cap with plain old smithing-enchantment enhanced dragon scale.

I made a new character, doing the challenge I posed to Delf, but with a female wood elf. I can't actually reverse-pickpocket poisons yet, and you can't pickpocket Draugr, so I have to avoid them or just kill them vanilla-like. This character, I shan't be smithing or enchanting. We'll see how this goes without god-gear.
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Ulta-I never thought about it that way before.
It really drives home the fact that Tamriel is a crapsack world.
Oh, and don't forget the Falmer are gearing up for a surface invasion.

[My best guess is that the trailer for Elder Scrolls 6 will be the Thalmor getting slaughtered by the Falmer, and then we see some Dwemer at the end, fighting alongside [or using] the Falmer.
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Also, fun thing: As a member of the PC MASTER RACE I've gone and gotten retextures for all the NPC clothes, environments, the signposts (they're legible now) and weapons. Also smoothed out the faces (most noticeably the striping you see on the bottom lip of a lot of characters).

My computer actually has to fight a little to keep up now! \o/
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Dec 27 2011, 11:24 PM
[My best guess is that the trailer for Elder Scrolls 6 will be the Thalmor getting slaughtered by the Falmer, and then we see some Dwemer at the end, fighting alongside [or using] the Falmer.
Pretty sure that the Dwemer are all still very much extinct.
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Wheey! I've became a human being!! I am very handsam!

Extinct or no longer in this dimension, one of the two!

Though Yagrum Bagarn is probably still alive. In Skyrim you learn that Divayth Fir is still alive, and Yagrum lived with him. Plus thanks to his corprus he won't die unless he receives fatal wounds.
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Adachi is not amused.

Divayth Fir is still alive? I must have missed that part. And yes, there is still a good chance that Yagrum remains alive, but that's hardly the kind of Dwemer invasion that Phaeron is suggesting... unless they are, in fact, merely between dimensions at the moment and could return at any time. I still feel like that would be a cop-out plot development, though - I prefer the idea of inadvertent extinction.
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So I ended up getting it for the holidays and I am indeed having a blast. There's obviously some lag in the PS3 version, but once you get used to it, it's only a minor annoyance.
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Seccy "no fun allowed" Secundum

It was mentioned that even the gods feared the Dwemer, and the entire race vanished leaving no bodies. That seems more like a racial relocattion to me.
And if the gods feared the Dwemer, who's to say they couldn't rip their way out of the prison?
I mean, they found a way to read the Elder Scrolls without going blind/insane/etc. [i.e. a projector]
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True, but much of the tale of the disappearance of the Dwemer was covered in Morrowind's main plot. You actually meet one - considered the very last of his kind, amputated below the waist with mechanical spider leg replacements and sick from Corprus. He doesn't know what happened to his kind specifically, since he wasn't with them at the time for whatever reason (it's been years, I can't remember specifics) but I'm fairly sure from everything you discover, it's strongly suggested that they activated an incredibly powerful machine in an attempt to harness godlike power and ended up being vaporised into ash.

So with that concept in mind, they COULD very well have ascended to a higher plane or something like that, but it's also equally suggested that they were all killed in the process. Somehow, I feel it's a plot element that is better left unsaid - discussing this kind of mystery is probably more entertaining than just having an answer laid out to us.
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Wheey! I've became a human being!! I am very handsam!

Yeah, either way I think it's safe to say they won't be coming back, and the story is better when you don't know which was the actual outcome (though I think annihilation is hinted more strongly). If Kagrenac's plans succeeded, why would they even want to return to Mundus/Nirn?

As for Yagrum's survival, he was in another realm when they tapped the Heart. He doesn't really explain it further than that.
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Thanks Poui.

question!

...if a Dwemer yet lives, why is there no translation of Dwemeris? I mean, has he just been all "No, scruffy lads, MY LANGUAGE" at them?

EDIT: and when Kagrenac used "Kagrenac's Tools" to attempt to harness the Heart of Lorkhan to create a living god it was at that exact moment that all Dwemer across Nirn dun got poof'd.
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Wheey! I've became a human being!! I am very handsam!

He does translate a few things that are brought to him in the game, but due to his physical circumstances (he looks like this and has a horribly debilitating disease, which forced him to live in a place specifically built for those with Corprus) few even know of his existence and those who do wouldn't want to go near him for fear of catching Corprus. So odds are nobody has ever asked him to translate the entire language.
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Thanks Poui.

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/585375
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aaaahahahaha awesome.
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