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Theme Weeks
Topic Started: Oct 15 2011, 03:05 PM (8,079 Views)
Hell
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Because I have no idea who the person I'm talking to is, despite the name in their title/gender. I was so confused. Poor me. We must stop this confusion before it gets out of hand! It will destroy us all

Like I said, what is wrong with enforcing names in titles instead of enforcing weeks as a whole?
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UltaFlame
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Thanks Poui.

IT's obvious from the poll results that a significant portion of people don't mind or don't care more thanthe people who do.

I'll be honest. I don't feel that putting limitations as we're agreeing on them is fair. I don't. I also don't feel that the whole "it's exclusionary" point is valid considering I've heard all of three people argue the point, and never to my satisfaction. They're making a huge deal out of this tiny thing, it seems. It's a trivial matter, to be honest. And now it's exploded. Especially since it's already been brought up in the past and things have been okay until Satty (not calling you out just saying it as a statement of fact) suggested rules be implemented.

Unless that had been the entire point of this topic, in which case there's clearly some behind-the-scenes plotting going on and I really do not want to imply that. And the latter addendum to the poll reflects more support for my side than not. So yeah. It's not a conclusion I'm happy with. But I'm really jsut tired of this issue now and want it gone. I'll concede that Addy/Jenna/Satty/Were/Whoeveragreeswiththembutisn'tcomingforth apparrntly care a lot more about than I do and I just want it behind me. So I have my compromise out there, but I'm not willing to put it down more than 15 people a week. That, or no more than once a month.

Take your pick, that's my offer, I'm just leaving this thread now.
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uh oh

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Take your pick, that's my offer, I'm just leaving this thread now.


thats like the 15th time you've said that in this thread
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Adnarel
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I'd rather be outside.

I guess you could say that he just issued an ULTAmatum!
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Lol....
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Adnarel
Oct 17 2011, 06:53 PM
I guess you could say that he just issued an ULTAmatum!
... goddamn it Adnarel Dx

But, really? Change the rules anyway, despite more people not wishing for any changes whatsoever?
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I'd rather be outside.

Nothing is wrong with enforcing usernames in titles, Hell. In fact, I've been recommending that for months.

My issue is twofold. It is that special Weeks are no longer special because they are so common, and that niche Weeks which are also name-change Weeks are not good Weeks because they are exclusive in nature.

Evidently I have to explain what exclusive means. It has nothing to do with "ban," first of all. I've never even said the word "ban" in this topic. To exclude in the context of Weeks means that people who aren't in on the joke/fandom theme of the Week are not able to appreciate the Week because they are not familiar with the joke/fandom theme. They are excluded from full enjoyment. This supports marginalization, an unhealthy board activity. I've continually pointed back to Cat Week and Monocle Week as being ideal Weeks. They have a readily accessible theme that do not require you to have read, seen, or played some vidja, manga, book, movie, or anything. Cat Week and Monocle Week were inclusive - there were no prerequisites to full enjoyment of the Week. Conversely, Weeks which have prerequisites to full enjoyment are exclusive. This isn't up for debate; it's what the word itself means. Literally.

EDIT: ninja'd

The Temple is not a democracy and never has been. Polls are always a barometer of popular opinion but seldom a determinant of action. At this board, if a user brings up a legitimate complaint and is able to offer a reasonably framed and supported solution, the solution is adopted. I think that Ulta's Compromise is such a reasonably framed and supported solution to an evident problem. The fact that this topic has gone on so long is evidence that there is indeed a problem. Saying "poll indicates otherwise, go home" is merely sweeping the dirt under the rug. If the Staff takes a stance on this issue, it is less likely to be an issue in the future.
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Wheey! I've became a human being!! I am very handsam!

I think the list of things Ulta said is good.

Some things I want to point out, Tan you seem to be drawing some kind of distinction between the smaller niche weeks and what you called "official" Temple weeks. From my point of view as a staff member, there is no distinction between some being "official" and others "not official" if name changes are involved. By allowing you to change your name and circumvent the name change rule, we are officially endorsing that name change event.

Something else to consider is that some of you guys still insist that there are these "clicques" of people here, do small weeks that only 5-10 people participate in reinforce those divisions, or help break them down?

And yeah I'm not letting this topic end without something being decided. This will just come up again in two months if we don't.
Edited by Crash, Oct 17 2011, 07:14 PM.
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Hisui
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Seccy "no fun allowed" Secundum

Why don't you just cap the number of themeweeks to one a month?
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The Phantom Squee
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Sound the horn and call the cry: "How many of them can we make die?"

I'm pretty sure that's Hell, not Tan. =P
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It's fair enough, but even so, the poll should have some weight. This poll is not about how heavy the restrictions are, it's about any. And the length of the debate also indicates how strongly the other side doesn't want rules, if I can remind you.

Look, I think there's a serious issue about this exclusion you talk about. You paint it as the be all and end all, but really, again, I'm going to point out the type of exclusion you highlight is something that happens on a daily basis.

That group of friends who sit under the tree outside the Humanities department. You're not one of them. You're excluded. That Chinese festival that you've never heard of going on in your local park. You're not one of them. You're excluded. Drama students talking about a play they've got upcoming. You're not one of them. You're excluded.

And this is the most important point: You don't give a damn. You can't be bothered about every little group you're not 'in'. The 'exclusion' you talk about is completely natural. You could introduce yourself to that group of friends. You could learn more about Chinese customs. You could enroll yourself in Drama. But doing every little thing to feel included is pointless.

And really, in our favour, you don't have to enroll yourself into a Drama course. Just take five minutes and ask a member why they love this series. That is, if you really can't stand being 'excluded'.

What really matters is people's feelings on the matter, not what's happening. Why do you feel this 'exclusion' is so damaging that it must be stopped? It's not because you feel it is rude, apparently. Is it, the confusion of four people changing their names?

I think a definite thing that has been agreed on by all sides is the enforcement of usernames in titles.

And I'd like to think people could tell the difference between a Temple-wide week and something a group of people thought would be fun to do for a while. Temple-wide weeks are uncommon and retain their special status, at least in my mind. My opinion doesn't particularly matter against a crowd's, but I'm not actually against a crowd here.

BOOM WALL OF TEXT
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simplechild
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My only feel is murder
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We're kinda more tight-knit as a message board community than the college campus example you put, Hell. >_> There's ample reason why one would desire to get along swimmingly with less than 100 people in comparison to over 2000.
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A more appropriate example then?

Would you stop a group of your own friends enjoying a comic they like to read because you've never heard of it before? A more common response to your own friends would be trying to get into the series yourself. And that's the spectrum.
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Bane Martius Agni
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Except they can read it on their own, while here everything we see about you changes. If my buddy dressed up as some anime character and he wasn't going to some convention, and it wasn't Halloween, I'd punch him in the boys.
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Crash
Oct 17 2011, 07:12 PM
Tan you seem to be drawing some kind of distinction between the smaller niche weeks and what you called "official" Temple weeks
Eh? I haven't posted anything about distinctions as far as I recall =3c

:venus_djinn: :venus_djinn: :venus_djinn:
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simplechild
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My only feel is murder
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A more appropriate example yes.

However, merely enjoying a comic does not equate to what we see here. It would mean that this circle of friends will devote a whole week, perhaps more, to cosplay for said comic. They've changed their appearance so much that when you're trying to discuss something or respond to them you're not readily sure whether the one you're talking to is the correct person. And if you are not familiar with the series they're cosplaying for, discussion is kind of marred by the fact you're talking to someone in a costume.

This is the kind of thing that's an issue. It creates doubt.
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It's a word above an avatar. It's not cosplay.
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simplechild
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My only feel is murder
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But that's all we have to quickly identify each other here. >_>

also bane tone it down a bit by dropping the allcaps and the sighs.
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Bane Martius Agni
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...That's all we know you as. Whenever you change your avatar, and your username, it's as good as cosplaying, considering WE CAN"T SEE YOUR REAL FACE.

*sigh*
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Hence the name in the title >.>

It doesn't take rocket scence to figure out who I am if I had HELL plastered in my title/gender.
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