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Theme Weeks
Topic Started: Oct 15 2011, 03:05 PM (8,076 Views)
simplechild
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TANNON THE CRUSHER
Oct 17 2011, 08:26 PM
Look, at the end of the day, there're still not enough votes to come to a decision in any case. About... I'd say 35-40% of the active members have voted, which isn't enough to come to a decision. And I'd say we're not going to get many more votes unless it's moved to something like the Pulpit where people go "hey, this is a serious topic we should probably check."

:venus_djinn: :venus_djinn: :venus_djinn:
Come to think of it, I wasn't aware of this topic until people started reporting things. >_>

Also Dracooooooo don't go to the dark side just yet. We still have hope!
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Saturos
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Should we move it to Feedback, since technically has become a feedback thing? xD
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Sundancer
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Perhaps it can be shifted over to the Prophets Pulpit or Feedback? I nearly overlooked it even though I posted in it earlier when I voted in the first poll, mruuw.

edit: Oops, Satty the post ninja, disregard me!
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I think the most silly thing about this debate is that it's self-fulfilling. When somebody claims it to be marginalising, that's only because they believe it themselves to be so.
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Topic has been moved to Feedback/Suggestions.
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Adnarel
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Hellgamesh
Oct 17 2011, 08:30 PM
I think the most silly thing about this debate is that it's self-fulfilling. When somebody claims it to be marginalising, that's only because they believe it themselves to be so.
Isn't that what marginalization means? The feeling or act of being marginalized?
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I think the most silly thing about this debate is that it's self-fulfilling. When somebody claims it to be marginalising, that's only because they believe it themselves to be so.


Well, we don't have to go 100% of logic, and screw rationalism, anyway. I think it's just as important to try to make people happy and make browsing the Temple fun and non-headache inducing, right? And trying to get as many people as possible to that stage should be a good thing, right?
Also, Hell, just a note, but that's like saying if x individual feels marginalized, their feelings have no value. And I don't want to marginalize people who like theme weeks, either. I'm wondering if we can bring both sides together somehow.
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Adnarel
Oct 17 2011, 08:32 PM
Hellgamesh
Oct 17 2011, 08:30 PM
I think the most silly thing about this debate is that it's self-fulfilling. When somebody claims it to be marginalising, that's only because they believe it themselves to be so.
Isn't that what marginalization means? The feeling or act of being marginalized?
I think it's more like someone making themself feel marginalized just because they like being miserable, kind of like a martyr complex. That's how I interpreted it, anyway. I don't know if that's what he actually meant, nor will I speculate on whether this is how things actually are or not.

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Oct 17 2011, 08:22 PM
Gilgamesh
Oct 17 2011, 07:55 PM
Every time we come to a solution, compromise or no, the side that didn't get what they want just brings it back up in a few months. Like Ulta said, there's been a topic about this before. There is probably not a single issue that only has one topic devoted to it. So, whatever the outcome here, whoever doesn't get what they want, GROW UP.
I hope that I'm not being too off-topic here, I just wanted to also comment on this. I think that things change with time, and peoples' views and ideas will change also, just as we get more members or have members shifting around or whatever. In this way, when things were originally resolved in a compromise and not a solution that appealed to everybody - which I'm not saying is the only good kind of solution, or something, just that when this sort of thing happens, sometimes people will still have concerns or issues with the problem at hand. As time goes on, it can be more apparent and people will want to mention or discuss it again - nobody's saying we have to implement everything, I just think that this sort of discussion is the only way we can really understand how everybody feels about things. Otherwise, there will always be some people who are quietly festering their annoyance or dissatisfaction, and it can come out in far less productive manners. I don't want to sound like I'm preaching or anything, it's just what I believe that case is, especially for us with such a large community now, with so many differing views. Well. Unless when you say grow up, you just honestly don't give a [radio edit] about what other people might still have lingering concerns with - which they voice in a civil and cordial manner. In that case I think it's a different problem, mruuw. And about the other thing too - I don't like saying "sides" as if there are ONLY two ways about these things. It simplifies discussion but it's cutting some people's views out - for example, I don't agree nor disagree strongly on the exclusion argument, it's not an issue for me, but that doesn't mean I'm automatically for the way things are now, or automatically against. Things like how Ulta is just saying "they", can we please try to be polite and not make these predictions and categorizations? I know people are getting annoyed, in which case shouldn't we just take a step back?

Aside from all that, Ulta's compromise sounds pretty good to me. Again, I reiterate, I am irritated but will put up with name changes of most sorts (though I still would like it to be for that number, e.g. 15, to be a minimum), as long as everybody involved does make it apparent to me who they are. That's my biggest problem, personally, when I encounter these theme weeks.

edit: You people post too fast! XP Satty sort of said part of what I said in my big tl;dr up there.
Like I said, if my point with that post was "shut up mongrels let me browse in peace" then I would only have been on the winning side of each issue. I've been on both. And frankly in some cases you just can't please everyone. Like the Cbox. Some people want it. Some don't. So we have the Sbox instead. Then the argument came up again. The result? The Sbox, again. People need to understand that the point of compromise is that no, you don't get what you want, but neither did the other side. You gave an inch, and so did they.

Also, SHANNON THE DESTROYER has a point, let's axe pointless name changes. :awe:
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Gilgamesh
Oct 17 2011, 08:36 PM
Also, SHANNON THE DESTROYER has a point, let's axe pointless name changes. :awe:
Ftw. I'd go back to Dracobolt and never change my name again if need be. And if that was poking fun at one of my few non-theme week name changes, well, I'll be keeping this one for three months, so I'm within the established rules. I'm not changing willy-nilly and abusing my power. :<

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Oct 17 2011, 08:30 PM
I think the most silly thing about this debate is that it's self-fulfilling. When somebody claims it to be marginalising, that's only because they believe it themselves to be so.
Isn't that what marginalization means? The feeling or act of being marginalized?
I suppose so. However, there was never anything stopping them from asking about the series themselves. In this way, at least this is how I see it, there is no logical basis why somebody should feel marginalised.

But honestly, it just comes down to how people feel about it. You said there was 14 (15 now) people you would feel guilty about not acting for. What about the 19 people you're forcing your view of marginisation upon?
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Also SHANNON THE DESTROYER didn't say anything about axing regular name changes.
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I would like to point out that given the numbers in the poll there is no way that the numbers can mean anything except for the most active members opinion which are in strife unfortunately and also i don't think that most members would find this poll except for a small number. Like for my self i wouldn't have noticed it if i hadn't been alerted to this issue if it weren't for ryu or kell. also i wasn't alerted to an argument about this in the first place themes are just that themes just because there is a theme doesn't force people to participate also no matter who gets what they want here there is going to be someone a LOUD someone there always is no matter the issue that is going to feel cheated be loud and or annoying and will try to escalate the issue. I mean look at my post here good or bad this post is going to make the flames of this issue get even more heated or hopefully make it
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Hellgamesh
Oct 17 2011, 08:39 PM
Adnarel
 
Hellgamesh
Oct 17 2011, 08:30 PM
I think the most silly thing about this debate is that it's self-fulfilling. When somebody claims it to be marginalising, that's only because they believe it themselves to be so.
Isn't that what marginalization means? The feeling or act of being marginalized?
I suppose so. However, there was never anything stopping them from asking about the series themselves. In this way, at least this is how I see it, there is no logical basis why somebody should feel marginalised.

But honestly, it just comes down to how people feel about it. You said there was 14 (15 now) people you would feel guilty about not acting for. What about the 19 people you're forcing your view of marginisation upon?
Is it really asking that much that for a few theme weeks you forget about changing your username and just change your avatar? You know, for the benefit of others before yourself? =(
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It's not really a theme week in of itself if there's no name changes (only talking about the really big/official/whatever name we're labeling on them, unless it's like, Monocle week which has no name changes). Also, that doesn't solve confusion. King of Weeks was brought up, so let's bring up Dracobolt week. I was annoyed for the entirety of the three months that Adna was stuck with Darcobolt because I couldn't tell you two apart ಠ_ಠ

Don't preach against something while you do the same thing.
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Jenna
Oct 17 2011, 08:42 PM
Is it really asking that much that for a few theme weeks you forget about changing your username and just change your avatar? You know, for the benefit of others before yourself? =(
I can ask the same thing. Is it really much to ask to let others enjoy themselves in the way they'd like to, just because you feel they shouldn't?

Look, on the whole it's a small issue. Neither side is actually asking the other much. But that's just how it is.
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Gilgamesh
Oct 17 2011, 08:42 PM
It's not really a theme week in of itself if there's no name changes (only talking about the really big/official/whatever name we're labeling on them, unless it's like, Monocle week which has no name changes). Also, that doesn't solve confusion. King of Weeks was brought up, so let's bring up Dracobolt week. I was annoyed for the entirety of the three months that Adna was stuck with Darcobolt because I couldn't tell you two apart ಠ_ಠ

Don't preach against something while you do the same thing.
Can't really think of a better way to reiterate Adna's point of "learning from the past".
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Hellgamesh
Oct 17 2011, 08:39 PM
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Hellgamesh
Oct 17 2011, 08:30 PM
I think the most silly thing about this debate is that it's self-fulfilling. When somebody claims it to be marginalising, that's only because they believe it themselves to be so.
Isn't that what marginalization means? The feeling or act of being marginalized?
I suppose so. However, there was never anything stopping them from asking about the series themselves. In this way, at least this is how I see it, there is no logical basis why somebody should feel marginalised.

But honestly, it just comes down to how people feel about it. You said there was 14 (15 now) people you would feel guilty about not acting for. What about the 19 people you're forcing your view of marginisation upon?
Can we not come up with something where say, 30 people aren't marginalized instead?

Would there be anything you'd accept, Hell? Or would you want staff-authorized name change weeks as often as people want them, period?

Not saying you hold the latter position, but I think that's the outcome of a total lack of regulation. :/

And Boyd, it's entirely possible for people's opinions to have changed. And Darcobolt was before we started asking people to put their names in their titles, and there are many more weeks now.

EDIT: Epic topic activity is epic. >.> The post ratios for today should be lulzy.

Anyway Hell, I think it's more of an issue than "we don't think we should have fun." Let's try not to be reductionist with people's opinions, please?
Edited by Saturos, Oct 17 2011, 08:47 PM.
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Personally, like I said, the rule restricts the fun, spontaneous nature of the Temple.

But if you feel it's a rule that's important for us, that's up to you.

So far, the one thing that both sides seem to be fine with is names in titles. Let's at least have that as a starting point, nyeh?
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Thanks Poui.

I think maybe this would work then:

1) Everyone must put their original username somewhere intheir profile that is available to everyone. Specifically, usertitle or gender areas.

2) The number of Theme Weeks in general should be limited in nature. Say, two every month MAXIMUM, but try to keep it to one every two months if at all possible. In addition, keep Theme Weeks to, well, a single week, please.

Does this work? Please tell me it works. It seems to be the most middle ground we can come up with that doesn't favor one side too much.
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