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Theme Weeks
Topic Started: Oct 15 2011, 03:05 PM (8,077 Views)
Jenn-uh
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Satty, I think that's a great idea.
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simplechild
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Given my experience with other forums... I'm not sure.
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Saturos
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Has that turned out awful in other places, Simple? What went wrong? Is there any way we could avoid that?
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Adnarel
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I'd rather be outside.

Yeah, Boyd, ignoring a user's concern is not an appropriate way to deal with the concern. At the very least, you should try to clearly communicate the alternate viewpoint to them.

So far, I don't think the viewpoint which complements my idea of exclusivity has been clearly communicated. An analogy was drawn from colleges. It was an imperfect analogy. Then an analogy was drawn from a friend in a group of friends reading a comic that nobody else read. That was also an imperfect analogy. Yes, exclusions happen every day. But I think the exclusions which take place in the context of Weeks are at the worst unhealthy marginalizations damaging the very board and at the very least, an annoyance to indifferent parties (like Sundancer). In reality, I think it's somewhere inbetween those two.

Anyway, I'm still waiting for somebody to prove to me that an Official Staff-Sanctioned Week, replete with name changes, which promotes interest X does not exclude people who do not have interest X.
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Gilgamesh
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Oct 17 2011, 08:06 PM
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Oct 17 2011, 07:55 PM

Every time we come to a solution, compromise or no, the side that didn't get what they want just brings it back up in a few months. Like Ulta said, there's been a topic about this before. There is probably not a single issue that only has one topic devoted to it. So, whatever the outcome here, whoever doesn't get what they want, GROW UP.
What I really got from this was "Oh dear, somebody's concerns weren't addressed, it is still apparently a concern, but I wish they wouldn't bother me with it."
That only applies if I always get what I want.

I don't like the name restriction rule. But I'm not making a topic on it right now because it's already settled. I hate the 10 second limit on the Sbox. But I'm not whining about it because it's already settled. Also, simple, that's true when somebody new brings up an old point, but somebody that was there for the old solution bringing it up again is just petty.
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UltaFlame
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Thanks Poui.

I made the compromise because even if they don't get their way this time they'll bring it up again in January, make an EVEN BIGGER deal about it, and get their way then.

I may as well cut to the chase and just let them have it. I'm tired of pointless "debates" that always end the same way.
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In my experience, Satty, it ended up with a simple majority always getting what they wanted, to put it succinctly. So if you can find a way to get the defeated side into the fun regardless, then this wouldn't be a problem.

Also, having a majority of people accept Theme X does not mean in any way shape or form that everyone accepts Theme X. In that regard, you are still being exclusive.
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Adnarel
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Welcome back to the topic, Ulta.

Also, I give my full support to Saturos' idea, as a trial at least. If what Simple predicts comes to pass, we can address the situation in manner appropriate to how it materializes in this board.

In any event, 14 people that aren't me are in favor of seeing some sort of regulation come from this. If I were a mod, I would be uncomfortable ignoring the wishes of 14 people.
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Saturos
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Ulta, please don't think in terms of "us" and "they." You're implying factionary lines and dehumanizing the other side of the discussion. Wouldn't it be nice if we could come up with something, together - because, you know, we're a community, and we're all Kradenettes - that 75% of people were happy with, instead of 55%? 85%? Would that not be preferable, to try to ensure as many as possible are satisfied?
And even if something posited disagrees with what you initially thought, wouldn't you change your mind if you honestly thought it was a good idea, or would you defend the line because you thought it was a clearly polarized argument? :/ Not saying you're doing one or the other, just a thought.

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I hate the 10 second limit on the Sbox. But I'm not whining about it because it's already settled.


Can we change that? I don't think we can change that... that might be a zeta thing. I hate it too. <_<

EDIT: And yeah, Simple, it would still be 'exclusive.' I know theme weeks are fun, and I'm not out to wholly eradicate them for everyone, or insist they need a 100% participation level. But I think it is a worthy goal to exclude as few people as possible, and have as many as possible involved. Don't you agree? =s
Edited by Saturos, Oct 17 2011, 08:22 PM.
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Adnarel
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I'd rather be outside.

I thought it was a Shoutbox thing.

But I know we can't change it. I think we tried to in the past.
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DJ Octavio
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I don't find this to be a good compromise due to what simple said. If people were not part of the "majority" vote because they don't want to do that theme, with this plan there is no possibility for the "other side" to have their fun.

Also, I already looked Satty. 10 second limit is hard coded in, there's no way to change it. We'd have to petition Zetaboards for that.
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Hell
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*sighs*

Satty's basically suggesting what's he's been pushing for this entire time, with a poll added. It's the same story again.

Adnarel seems to find these weeks damaging to the Temple itself *points AGAINNNNNN to squee's post* People make such a huge deal about something rather passive.

And I was mostly here to complain about people making way too big a deal about things and I ended up using all the SRS locked away in me. Feel kind of tired again.

Let's just go with Satty's idea.
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Sundancer
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Oct 17 2011, 07:55 PM
Every time we come to a solution, compromise or no, the side that didn't get what they want just brings it back up in a few months. Like Ulta said, there's been a topic about this before. There is probably not a single issue that only has one topic devoted to it. So, whatever the outcome here, whoever doesn't get what they want, GROW UP.
I hope that I'm not being too off-topic here, I just wanted to also comment on this. I think that things change with time, and peoples' views and ideas will change also, just as we get more members or have members shifting around or whatever. In this way, when things were originally resolved in a compromise and not a solution that appealed to everybody - which I'm not saying is the only good kind of solution, or something, just that when this sort of thing happens, sometimes people will still have concerns or issues with the problem at hand. As time goes on, it can be more apparent and people will want to mention or discuss it again - nobody's saying we have to implement everything, I just think that this sort of discussion is the only way we can really understand how everybody feels about things. Otherwise, there will always be some people who are quietly festering their annoyance or dissatisfaction, and it can come out in far less productive manners. I don't want to sound like I'm preaching or anything, it's just what I believe that case is, especially for us with such a large community now, with so many differing views. Well. Unless when you say grow up, you just honestly don't give a [radio edit] about what other people might still have lingering concerns with - which they voice in a civil and cordial manner. In that case I think it's a different problem, mruuw. And about the other thing too - I don't like saying "sides" as if there are ONLY two ways about these things. It simplifies discussion but it's cutting some people's views out - for example, I don't agree nor disagree strongly on the exclusion argument, it's not an issue for me, but that doesn't mean I'm automatically for the way things are now, or automatically against. Things like how Ulta is just saying "they", can we please try to be polite and not make these predictions and categorizations? I know people are getting annoyed, in which case shouldn't we just take a step back?

Aside from all that, Ulta's compromise sounds pretty good to me. Again, I reiterate, I am irritated but will put up with name changes of most sorts (though I still would like it to be for that number, e.g. 15, to be a minimum), as long as everybody involved does make it apparent to me who they are. That's my biggest problem, personally, when I encounter these theme weeks.

edit: You people post too fast! XP Satty sort of said part of what I said in my big tl;dr up there.
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simplechild
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But let us think about this.

Obviously for Satty's idea to work we'd need general encompassing themes for a lot of people to find interesting. That eliminates niche categories from the start. Then, it's voted upon what week should be done, but does it have to be the first-ranked week that gets all the popularity? It doesn't have to. We could make a list of popular weeks after a nominations and polls session and schedule it like that for the rest of the year.
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Saturos
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No Hell, that wasn't my initial idea. Initial position for me was namechange weeks are official, Temple events that come up once in a blue moon, and avatar changes can be done at anytime by members. I just thought of this, and while it does play to the majority, if there's more people who want to do another kind of theme week, who's to say that your week should override theirs? :/
Also! This way, people can put more thought into it and have week-themed events and stuff, maybe an introduction into the week in course and explaining what each character is, and why such and such wanted to choose that character, why they liked them. You know? Making it an actual event, rather than just a name change.

For example, in Kris week, I could've made aaaaall my posts pretending to be Kris. :D
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UltaFlame
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Thanks Poui.

@Addy: I came back because a question was directed at me specifically. I responded to it.
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Tange9t
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Look, at the end of the day, there're still not enough votes to come to a decision in any case. About... I'd say 35-40% of the active members have voted, which isn't enough to come to a decision. And I'd say we're not going to get many more votes unless it's moved to something like the Pulpit where people go "hey, this is a serious topic we should probably check."

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Adnarel
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I'd rather be outside.

Nonono, don't get me wrong. I love Weeks. I love unofficial avatar Weeks and Weeks that everybody can readily enjoy without any extra effort.

I think Weeks which only some people can enjoy are fine too. I take part in such Weeks.

What I do think is that officially-sanctioned Weeks which only certain people can enjoy are terminally imperfect by merit of their detracting from the browsing experience for non-participants and by merit of... well, by merit of not everybody being able to enjoy them. Does this mean that I'd rather we only have official Weeks that everybody enjoys? Of course it does! I think that's a fine goal to shoot for.
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Dracobolt
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This thread has caused me to change my opinion. I vote that there are no name change weeks allowed and that if you want to do a theme week, you make it avatat/sig/post content only.

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