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Theme Weeks
Topic Started: Oct 15 2011, 03:05 PM (8,078 Views)
simplechild
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Aye, that's the best answer.

However, it so happens that a noticeable amount of people still don't do this and some people want a concrete set of rules to deter this habit. That's what the problem is.
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simplechild
Oct 17 2011, 07:39 PM
Aye, that's the best answer.

However, it so happens that people still don't do that. That's what the problem is.
Yup.

However, that's only because it hasn't been enforced. It's only been a suggestion that most people have taken up.
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And personally I want it to stay that way. >_> More rules can solve and create problems at the same time if we're not careful.
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But yet you want to pass that other rule? The one that's caused this entire debate?

So far, nobody's argued against names in titles. That seems to be the far more simple, angst-free solution.
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What, the compromise?

It's a good guideline but now I'm afraid of what will happen if we make it official.
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The general point behind everything here is:
"Theme weeks are supposed to be special"
"Temple is so saturated by little theme weeks for random things with very few members theme weeks aren't special anymore"
"Not special = Not fun"
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On changing titles, I believe that's a privilege only obtained after 1000 posts, unless I missed a change somewhere. Putting the original name there is still workable, if the admins do it when the user cannot do so on their own.
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You can also change the Gender category to say your name in parenthesis next to what you wanted to put in there.
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Is it impossible to make the distinction in your mind, Bane?

If "Top hat" week came long, would you roll your eyes and think of it as another tiny theme week?

And simple, again, nobody has yet to argue against the names in titles. What reasons against it are there?

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You can also change the Gender category to say your name in parenthesis next to what you wanted to put in there.
And yeah, it's normally my gender that changes, actually.
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I'm talking about the specifics on time limits and number of people needed to justify mass name changes. I'd rather this be a case-by-case basis than a set number.
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Honestly, I'm going to say this here, because this hasn't only happened in this topic. It happened with the Sbox, and everything else that gets argued.

Every time we come to a solution, compromise or no, the side that didn't get what they want just brings it back up in a few months. Like Ulta said, there's been a topic about this before. There is probably not a single issue that only has one topic devoted to it. So, whatever the outcome here, whoever doesn't get what they want, GROW UP.

That out of the way, the exclusion argument is stupid. I'm not saying really tiny weeks should still have name changes. As I said earlier in the topic, I was part of an avatar only one. But look at me. Do you people feel some sort of "exclusion" talking to me just because my name is "Gilgamesh" instead of "TheRealBoyd"? Alternatively, if I were to bring up Fate/Zero in the Sbox, as I've been wont to do lately, are you somehow not feeling excluded if you don't care about it just because I'm not part of a theme week? I feel excluded every time ponies are brought up in the Sbox, but do you see me complaining every single time? And you might say "a lot of people like that, you're an outlier." Okay, but not everyone is online all the time. Ponies have way more of a fanbase here than Fate does. But if two pony fans are online and seven Fate fans are online, are we still excluding the majority just because there are 20+ pony fans that aren't here?

I'll say this again. This post is not an argument for or against any side here. It is only against the exclusion argument.
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Hellgamesh
Oct 17 2011, 07:51 PM
Is it impossible to make the distinction in your mind, Bane?

If "Top hat" week came long, would you roll your eyes and think of it as another tiny theme week?

And simple, again, nobody has yet to argue against the names in titles. What reasons against it are there?
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No, top hat week is recognizable as a full-on temple week. it's wacky, it doesn't exclude people because everybody knows what the hell a top hat is, and most people think they're cool or funny. "Obscure manga no. 763 issue 37" excludes anybody who hasn't read said manga, is probably not going to spread to a lot of members, but what members it does spread to will cause enough confusion to be trouble.

Also, "Is it impossible to make the distinction in your mind, Bane?"

I am making the distinction. I am saying they are different. I'm not sure what definition you use, but the two are distinct.
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Okay. I read up to maybe page six.

And I am not wasting my time on the rest of this. IMO I like the ideas about putting restrictions - maybe one theme week a month, that sort of thing. Given the vehemence of a lot of people here, I'd be fine with the compromise of 15 or above for name change theme weeks - if people uphold the suggestion to keep your name in gender/title/sig fields.

I'd also like to point out that when that suggestion was initially put forth, there was a lot of backlash. It took another chance to raise it up before more people started doing it - and even then, some people didn't really want to do that. My issues with theme weeks is mostly that I have no idea who nobody is. Honestly, if that suggestion became an enforced RULE and EVERYBODY followed it, by putting their name in a noticeable place, I would even put up with the small theme weeks. I don't like all the alien names that I don't know, but more power to them, so long as I know who the hell they are when I'm reading a post by them. Even if I go check name history, I can't keep track of the inevitable amount of people who didn't have their name somewhere visible, and I always need to take a moment to either interrupt my topic browsing to check name history or to try and remember who somebody is.

Just to be clear, I do find smaller weeks with name changes annoying, though I have no comment on exclusionary. To each their own, I don't see a point of changing names when only nine people are doing it or something - but I'll put up with it if I know who you are, y'know? I do think that Temple-wide stuff is more fun, though.

So yeah, I think that's all I had to say. Also, the amount of flaming with both/multiple sides in this topic makes me a very sad kitty. I can't believe we can't even discuss something like this without jumping down each other's throats.
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Oct 17 2011, 07:56 PM
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Oct 17 2011, 07:51 PM
Is it impossible to make the distinction in your mind, Bane?

If "Top hat" week came long, would you roll your eyes and think of it as another tiny theme week?

And simple, again, nobody has yet to argue against the names in titles. What reasons against it are there?
wut

No, top hat week is recognizable as a full-on temple week. it's wacky, it doesn't exclude people because everybody knows what the hell a top hat is, and most people think they're cool or funny. "Obscure manga no. 763 issue 37" excludes anybody who hasn't read said manga, is probably not going to spread to a lot of members, but what members it does spread to will cause enough confusion to be trouble.

Also, "Is it impossible to make the distinction in your mind, Bane?"

I am making the distinction. I am saying they are different. I'm not sure what definition you use, but the two are distinct.
That is exactly my point. You already make the darn distinction.

Yet, at the same time, you say the smaller weeks take away from the Temple-wide ones.
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Oct 17 2011, 07:55 PM
Every time we come to a solution, compromise or no, the side that didn't get what they want just brings it back up in a few months. Like Ulta said, there's been a topic about this before. There is probably not a single issue that only has one topic devoted to it. So, whatever the outcome here, whoever doesn't get what they want, GROW UP.

That out of the way, the exclusion argument is stupid. I'm not saying really tiny weeks should still have name changes. As I said earlier in the topic, I was part of an avatar only one. But look at me. Do you people feel some sort of "exclusion" talking to me just because my name is "Gilgamesh" instead of "TheRealBoyd"? Alternatively, if I were to bring up Fate/Zero in the Sbox, as I've been wont to do lately, are you somehow not feeling excluded if you don't care about it just because I'm not part of a theme week? I feel excluded every time ponies are brought up in the Sbox, but do you see me complaining every single time? And you might say "a lot of people like that, you're an outlier." Okay, but not everyone is online all the time. Ponies have way more of a fanbase here than Fate does. But if two pony fans are online and seven Fate fans are online, are we still excluding the majority just because there are 20+ pony fans that aren't here?
To be fair, you made Gilgamesh so much a part of yourself that it's become your persona. That's different than a temporary name change.

Also, there's nothing banning people from bringing up issues they believe are still important to the community, and given the feedback people DO care about it, so it's everyone's job to maintain civility so that we staffies don't have to so as much dirty work.
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Adnarel
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Is there anybody who is expressly opposed to Ulta's Compromise?
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Oct 17 2011, 07:55 PM

Every time we come to a solution, compromise or no, the side that didn't get what they want just brings it back up in a few months. Like Ulta said, there's been a topic about this before. There is probably not a single issue that only has one topic devoted to it. So, whatever the outcome here, whoever doesn't get what they want, GROW UP.
What I really got from this was "Oh dear, somebody's concerns weren't addressed, it is still apparently a concern, but I wish they wouldn't bother me with it."
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Personally I think it's kind of weird he even makes the compromise considering the poll.

There does seem to be a far less controversion solution, at least for now. Why push for the one that created this entire debate?
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I wouldn't say that I'm expressly opposed to the compromise, but sure why not.

Instead, I want to iterate that merely having the staff enforce name consistency would be a better option.
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Yeah, Ulta's compromise looks pretty good. Personally I think one theme week a month would be best.

PAY ATTENTION TO THIS PART PLZ

To that end, what if we held a poll in the last week of each month as to what the theme week for the next month would be? People could make up lists of people who want to participate in it (to make sure it has the 15 - people could also commit to multiple weeks), submit it to the pollmaker, and then the entire Temple votes on which theme week should be the next month's event? We seem to put a lot of emphasis on polls and majority; that would automatically ensure that the given theme week is something that can appeal to everyone. Furthermore, it would encourage people to make theme weeks that people can relate to.
And of course, say a theme week can only happen once a year, so we'd get twelve different theme weeks that are, at the same time as they are user-created and driven, are popular enough to win. And obviously, if a theme week doesn't go through, it is still eligible for the next month.

How does that sound? Obviously I'm not saying that we should auto implement this, I want to know what you all think.

EDIT: It might also lead to some friendly competition between folks to come up with the bestest theme week. :3

EDIT 2: The poll also states that 40% of people would like some change and regulation. We're not so large that we can't come up with something that would appeal to everyone, or more people (moderates on either side, naturally). The poll was to see if this was just a couple of people wanting some guidance with namechange weeks, and evidently a fair bit do.
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