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Anime Heros
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Ian889	Sep 30 2011, 03:34 PM Post #1
Death comes to all of those who oppose me. Posts: 15,782 Group: Luna Clan Member #56 Joined: June 2, 2006 Country: #0#	I have serious issue with some anime heroes. Any hero that goes i'm so under-powered, but by the power of caring I will shoot up in strength for no reason and win. Ichigo, Naruto, and Natsu seem to suffer from this. With Natsu being the least of all so far. (Well see in the next few episodes if they decided to give him it in a situation that he clearly should lose.). I'm okay with the good guys ending out on top due to outsmarting their opponent, or getting lucky. It seems to be becoming more popular to just give people 100000000000 power for no reason. DBZ I found okay for a while for example Goku doesn't get to go super sayian until Krillin dies. Does anyone else have a problem with this kind of anime hero?



Kula Diamond	Sep 30 2011, 03:36 PM Post #2
atlus tracts Posts: 14,836 Group: Jupiter Clan Member #624 Joined: May 14, 2010 Gender: SNK's slave Country: #238# True Name: Tiltyu Theme Song: https://youtu.be/vqiYrvRq4W8	it's called plot armor



The Phantom Squee	Sep 30 2011, 03:41 PM Post #3
Sound the horn and call the cry: "How many of them can we make die?" Posts: 17,970 Group: Jupiter Clan Member #169 Joined: April 13, 2007 Blog: Tastes Like Homebrew Country: #0# True Name: Squee Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5KvMSVnafE	"Oh no, Ash died! Maybe if we cry hard enough he'll come back to life!"



Peytral	Sep 30 2011, 03:50 PM Post #4
peytral pls Posts: 15,452 Group: Sol Clan Member #459 Joined: March 18, 2009 Gender: Miserable pile of secrets Blog: Ab Animo Pario Country: #0# True Name: Peytral Aznable	itt Ian doesn't understand willpower and hot blood



Kula Diamond	Sep 30 2011, 03:53 PM Post #5
atlus tracts Posts: 14,836 Group: Jupiter Clan Member #624 Joined: May 14, 2010 Gender: SNK's slave Country: #238# True Name: Tiltyu Theme Song: https://youtu.be/vqiYrvRq4W8	Phelpszerker Sep 30 2011, 03:41 PM "Oh no, Ash died! Maybe if we cry hard enough he'll come back to life!" ~~fits real life perfectly imo~~



Dracobolt	Sep 30 2011, 03:56 PM Post #6
Incorrigible Posts: 72,032 Group: Kid Squid Member #25 Joined: September 11, 2005 Gender: Female Blog: Creative Contemplation and Random Rumination Country: #226# True Name: Braco the Magnificent Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMhvS8oGXQU	So basically you have a problem with shounen anime. Join the club.



Peytral	Sep 30 2011, 03:57 PM Post #7
peytral pls Posts: 15,452 Group: Sol Clan Member #459 Joined: March 18, 2009 Gender: Miserable pile of secrets Blog: Ab Animo Pario Country: #0# True Name: Peytral Aznable	Dracobolt Sep 30 2011, 03:56 PM So basically you have a problem with shounen anime. Join the club. Busou Renkin and Rave Master say "hi."



Dracobolt	Sep 30 2011, 03:59 PM Post #8
Incorrigible Posts: 72,032 Group: Kid Squid Member #25 Joined: September 11, 2005 Gender: Female Blog: Creative Contemplation and Random Rumination Country: #226# True Name: Braco the Magnificent Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMhvS8oGXQU	Don't forget Flame of Recca, the third of the only three shounen series I actually like. 8D Although in all those cases it's the female characters who don't depend on hotbloodedness whom I like the most.



Boner Midget	Sep 30 2011, 03:59 PM Post #9
"HAHA, LOOK AT HOW SMALL IT IS." Posts: 8,338 Group: Luna Clan Member #802 Joined: March 31, 2011 Gender: [error] Country: #38# True Name: Maddy	Shounen manga can be good when done right, imo. As long as the heroes aren't falling over near death and then next panel they're suddenly okay and proclaiming that believing in the heart of the cards brought them back.



Super Slash	Sep 30 2011, 03:59 PM Post #10
Posts: 11,749 Group: Mars Clan (wololo!) Member #639 Joined: June 17, 2010 Gender: Male	In the case of Naruto, he actually gets stronger from training, as it should be. I admit though, he's been getting quite overpowered with his SSJ-like powerup.



Hisui	Sep 30 2011, 04:02 PM Post #11
Seccy "no fun allowed" Secundum Posts: 9,662 Group: Luna Clan Member #829 Joined: May 27, 2011 Gender: The Man Lab Country: #225# Blog: Valar Morghulis True Name: Seccy Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mji25CRW3Io	Oh god yes...I hate that kind [ESPECIALLY Ichigo]. Natsu is better in the manga, and he got curb-stomped in the latest arc. Spoiler: click to toggle Admittedly, he WAS facing Zeref...



Peytral	Sep 30 2011, 04:02 PM Post #12
peytral pls Posts: 15,452 Group: Sol Clan Member #459 Joined: March 18, 2009 Gender: Miserable pile of secrets Blog: Ab Animo Pario Country: #0# True Name: Peytral Aznable	On that note, I really can't think of many anime where characters get literally powered up by sheer willpower. There's quite a bit of difference between "their hot blood makes them go SS-9001" and "they get the resolution to achieve victory through willpower." The former can get kind of stupid if not explained correctly, but the latter is one of my absolute favorite concepts ever.



Hisui	Sep 30 2011, 04:06 PM Post #13
Seccy "no fun allowed" Secundum Posts: 9,662 Group: Luna Clan Member #829 Joined: May 27, 2011 Gender: The Man Lab Country: #225# Blog: Valar Morghulis True Name: Seccy Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mji25CRW3Io	Wut.... It's awful... Unless it's used by Jack Rakan [he has willpower as an actual power[as well as awesomeness [again, an actual power]]



simplechild	Sep 30 2011, 04:19 PM Post #14
My only feel is murder Posts: 12,119 Group: Fori Member #115 Joined: October 30, 2006 Gender: Burning Blog: What's All This, Then? Country: 'Nam. True Name: simplechild	Oh man, then you would have major problems with how the characters in Gurren Lagann power up, then. The series is entirely wrapped around the "what-ifs" of having willpower as a viable energy source. D: Of course, not all shounen series follow the OVER 9000 rule, since it's usually the ones that worldbuild that are prone to doing that. Even then, Naruto and Bleach don't really use the "I can raise by battle levels by screaming a lot" quite that often. More often they use a device called the "training phase" to explain why they get so powerful. Almost every Shounen series makes use of this "training phase" to keep their stories interesting.



Peytral	Sep 30 2011, 04:21 PM Post #15
peytral pls Posts: 15,452 Group: Sol Clan Member #459 Joined: March 18, 2009 Gender: Miserable pile of secrets Blog: Ab Animo Pario Country: #0# True Name: Peytral Aznable	<3 mecha But Spiral Energy is just a ripoff of G-Stones. Which are just a ripoff of Getter Rays.



Hisui	Sep 30 2011, 04:38 PM Post #16
Seccy "no fun allowed" Secundum Posts: 9,662 Group: Luna Clan Member #829 Joined: May 27, 2011 Gender: The Man Lab Country: #225# Blog: Valar Morghulis True Name: Seccy Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mji25CRW3Io	simplechild Sep 30 2011, 04:19 PM Almost every Shounen series makes use of this "training phase" to keep their stories interesting. True...I never realised that before. The only ones that don't are Nanoha where they are all uber-strong to start with, and Negima where his solution is training would take too long. Dark magic is quicker and easier." [Note-this is the hero]



The Phantom Squee	Sep 30 2011, 04:39 PM Post #17
Sound the horn and call the cry: "How many of them can we make die?" Posts: 17,970 Group: Jupiter Clan Member #169 Joined: April 13, 2007 Blog: Tastes Like Homebrew Country: #0# True Name: Squee Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5KvMSVnafE	I can actually live with characters getting powerups out of nowhere when it's explicitly stated that in their universe, hot-bloodedness and ferocity give you power. It's a bit harder to swallow when it happens to characters who rant about revenge in a setting where one family has eye magic that comes from hating each other really hard and can be transplanted by ripping out your own eyes and replacing them with somebody else's.



Kula Diamond	Sep 30 2011, 04:43 PM Post #18
atlus tracts Posts: 14,836 Group: Jupiter Clan Member #624 Joined: May 14, 2010 Gender: SNK's slave Country: #238# True Name: Tiltyu Theme Song: https://youtu.be/vqiYrvRq4W8	MadMustache Sep 30 2011, 03:59 PM As long as the heroes aren't falling over near death and then next panel they're suddenly okay and proclaiming that believing in the heart of the cards brought them back. no that just makes you topdeck a card that starts a huge OTK combo



Hisui	Sep 30 2011, 06:50 PM Post #19
Seccy "no fun allowed" Secundum Posts: 9,662 Group: Luna Clan Member #829 Joined: May 27, 2011 Gender: The Man Lab Country: #225# Blog: Valar Morghulis True Name: Seccy Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mji25CRW3Io	Phelpszerker Sep 30 2011, 04:39 PM It's a bit harder to swallow when it happens to characters who rant about revenge in a setting where one family has eye magic that comes from hating each other really hard and can be transplanted by ripping out your own eyes and replacing them with somebody else's. What series was that?



The Phantom Squee	Sep 30 2011, 07:07 PM Post #20
Sound the horn and call the cry: "How many of them can we make die?" Posts: 17,970 Group: Jupiter Clan Member #169 Joined: April 13, 2007 Blog: Tastes Like Homebrew Country: #0# True Name: Squee Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5KvMSVnafE	Naruto.

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