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Regarding the Staff's Handling of Ulta's Topic; and Bowse's subsequent suspension
Topic Started: Sep 27 2011, 02:48 AM (3,485 Views)
UltaFlame
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Thanks Poui.

I'm also strictly against the policy of "see a situation where people are being disrespected and do nothing about it."
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Saturos
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See, I don't mind if someone attempts to disrespect me, though. I mean, people can try, but I'm hardly going to do action on it. And I don't think I'd want someone warned if they tried to flame me.
If they tried to flame me in every single topic to the point where it was interfering with other user's browsing experiences, then maybe, yeah. Since there definitely is a component about preserving a good atmosphere.
But I still think that can be accomplished by PMing the member you're concerned about. Or at least, it's a step that should not be skipped. :/
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Artemis
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Besides, PMing someone reminds them that you're human, as well. Humanity is lost easily over the internet, and just reminding someone of that fact can, in some cases, be enough to stop whatever's going on.

If that doesn't stop it, that's an entirely different story.
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Artemis
Sep 28 2011, 05:40 PM
Besides, PMing someone reminds them that you're human, as well. Humanity is lost easily over the internet, and just reminding someone of that fact can, in some cases, be enough to stop whatever's going on.

If that doesn't stop it, that's an entirely different story.
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Princess Emi
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I'm more with Ulta, I don't think disrespect should happen in the first place. ~_~ mild cases I don't mind though, like misunderstandings or jokes or etc.
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Saturos
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We don't think it should happen, either. ^^ We're just saying, we think working it out or talking to the person in question may fix the problem, draw them back into the fold, and cause much more long-term benefit than invoking staff authority to mete out punishment or whatnot. Members do have the power to change everything.
I mean, we'll still intervene if the problem persists... but I think talking to people will help a lot in terms of bringing people together. ^^;
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Artemis
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Of course, no one wants to be disrespected in the first place. But I don't think there's much anyone can do to anticipate disrespect and stop it before it happens. The only way to do that would be with harsher and harsher punishments, and I don't think that's a good way to go.

As I see it, the staff's job is to intercede when needed, in more difficult cases. As Satty says, members should be who attempt to fix the situation first, instead of automatically resorting to authorities. Especially in smaller situations. We're all big enough to solve problems on our own, right?
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Seoulbowz
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Here at my university we have this 'slogan' "Give it, Get it: Expect Respect". The sentiment is that if you want respect you should give it to people, and then you'll get respect in return. Part of that is if you have a disagreement with somebody you should go talk to with them one on one first, treat them like an adult (or more aptly, on the internet, a human) and more often than not you'll be able to solve your issues with that person.

Though, sometimes that doesn't work, but then the university has people specifically for these issues that you can go see and have them help work out your problem. It's sort of like that here, pming a user you have an issue with is more likely to stop it then anything the staff could do.
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Saturos
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As Bowse here can attest, he made a comment before going "lol staff" and I PM'd him, saying that I saw his comment and was seriously concerned, and asked what we were doing wrong, and if there was anything we could do better, where he thought we could improve, etc. He responded by saying that he was just joking, and that he thought we were one of the best staffs he had ever seen.
I hope you don't mind that being dragged out of the ground, Bowse, it was like a year or two ago so I think it's okay.

But point is, if that had've gone straight to the staff, objectively it could've been a warn (which would've been way too serious <_<). But because I took the time to speak to him, as a member, we avoided a miscommunication and resolved things peacefully. ^^;
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Saturos
Sep 28 2011, 05:16 PM
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The problem then comes when you have users report things that were not inflammatory toward them, but toward another member. Which I think we get more often than reports from the actual target (makes sense since there are more non-targets than targets usually)


I think we should also stop dealing with these as much, because then you have people playing forum police with reports, where it might not even have been offensive to the person involved.
I realize this particular train of thought has already been bypassed, but since it hasn't been said, I would like to note something.

The last I was aware, the whole function of the Report button was so that members wouldn't try to be forum police. Since members don't actually have any power over one another, and the moderators are not omniscient beings, it's a way for members to bring something they think may be suspect to the staff's attention so that the staff can decide what to do about it. If, after talking to the people in question, they find out that no offense was intended/taken, no harm done. That's hardly being "police." If an overabundance of reports is becoming a problem, I think that may be indicative of a different issue entirely.
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Saturos
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Oh, I wasn't talking about genuine reports so much as extremely minor things which can be dismissed as a minor infraction, or something or the other. And I think people are more likely to report inconsequential things if it's not something they have to deal with themselves.
That being said, having issues drawn to our attention is still an invaluable resource. ^_^ And I like the report functions for that reason.
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The Phantom Squee
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Sound the horn and call the cry: "How many of them can we make die?"

Ah, okay. I see what you mean. I agree though, it's better to be aware of a potential problem, then have it turn out to be no big deal, than to potentially overlook a problem. That does lead to the potential issue of inconsistencies in the system based on which staffer handles which reports, but I'll leave that train of thought alone.
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Saturos
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We usually leave the reports in the system for a day or two and discuss them in the water cooler topic, if it's something that's obviously not a problem or a joke report. ^^;
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Crash
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Wheey! I've became a human being!! I am very handsam!

Even joke reports stay in there for days at a time sometimes!
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Ian889
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Disrespect happens, it's just part of life. I think as a friend of someone in the temple if they are being "picked on" then you should encourage them to say something not say something yourself. Encourage people to be proactive. This is for two reasons one it doesn't promote a gang warefare like mentality that's like he/she picked on he/she so now me and my friends are gonna go after him sort of thing. I also have seen where the person who was the subject of the "attack" took what was said far less offensively than the person who "stood" up for them.

Artemis " But I don't think there's much anyone can do to anticipate disrespect and stop it before it happens. The only way to do that would be with harsher and harsher punishments, and I don't think that's a good way to go."

I agree with that whole heatedly.

I also see a difference in the mentality if someone is being disrespected online to being disrespected in person. The biggest thing is tone, you can hear a persons tone when your next to them, and you can't on the internet. This I find leads to several problems because a person takes what is said far more seriously than it was intended. That is another reason why the communication between basic users I find to be the best way to handle situations.
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Hisui
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Ultagamesh
Sep 28 2011, 05:26 PM
I'm also strictly against the policy of "see a situation where people are being disrespected and do nothing about it."
This.
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