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I never understood the love for G/S/C/HG/SS; itt rant
Topic Started: Mar 12 2011, 06:16 AM (2,976 Views)
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Miror B.
Mar 12 2011, 05:55 PM
R/S/E was the best. You people are crazy. >:|
Basically.
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UltaFlame
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Thanks Poui.

lolthistopic.
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ReidAlvein
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Not a big fan of R/S/E
HG/SS were my favorite ever, and I still think they are freaking awesome games.

Anyways, it is all a matter of what you prefer or not; if you don't understand why a person likes something, then don't go off about why it sucks, because you obviously don't know why the person likes it.

So yeah, whether you like 1st gen or 5th gen, it won't make a difference because someone is always bound to complain about it in one way or another.
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Giraffes are adorable.

The 2nd gen was when I started playing Pokemon so I am a bit biased. I finally was able to play the series in peace without anyone going eww you are playing that?

I actually like the designs of gen 2 because I like animal based Pokemon more. I actually don't like the designs of gen 3 and 4 and only have a few of them used for competitive purposes such as Zangoose, Camerupt, Skutank and Luxray. I actually like gen 5 and I am enjoying my forced ingame team of gen 5 only.

Also gen 2 has a Pokemon based on a giraffe, the usually forgotten animal in many other forms of fiction.
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Gen 5 has its fair share of non-animal based pokemon too, such as gears (Klink), geodes/boulders (Roggenrola), ice cream (Vanillite), lamps (Litwick), coffins (Cofagrigus), trash (Trubbish) and cells (Solosis, even though it's technically still animal-based) to name a few. Hell, even gothic lolita is used as a source (Gothita).
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Giraffes are adorable.

Yeah I know, but my current team has a zebra, a pig, a monkey, an ancient bird, a swan and a dog. And I like their designs very much while in gen 3 and 4 I had a hard time liking the animal based Pokemon designs.

I do wish they would stop making house cat based Pokemon though and focus on some other animals that didn't get the spotlight such as llamas and donkeys.
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Mar 12 2011, 05:50 PM
Natures, (actual) EV training, battle frontier, abilities, double battles. Just to name a few.
Useless, didn't effect my game, boring, cool, too easy/never cared.

I was one of those people who got hit with the lack of Post-game content in R/S/E, because I was all revved up for going back to Jhoto or Kanto or something amazing like that, and instead I got this useless tower in the middle of the ocean. Also, I could be wrong about this, but Johto + Kanto felt a lot bigger than just Hoenn, so I felt the map was really small in Gen 3 as a result.

The death of G/S/C's attempt at installing plot into the game also didn't impress me: Gen 2 not only had team rocket actively talk about Red, but Blue became a gym leader and when you climbed mount silver you got to face this mute kid in a cave that was completely black and awesome looking. Gen 3 it's like... Your dad's a gym-leader instead of just absent, and you're fighting the first in a slew of Team Fashion Rejects. Yes, the teams since then have done some pretty crazy stuff, but even the attempted triggering of the Volcano and that whole rivalry between Magma and Aqua didn't feel like it was as serious as the hostile take-over of Golden Rod City, or the mind-control/creepy marketing push going on at the Lake of Rage.

And Silver's development as a character? Loved that to death.

These are the reasons why I like SGC the most. RSE brought in a lot of technical improvements like the ones you listed, and was a solid improvement over the previous two installments in terms of execution. However, Gen 2 lacked certain content elements that I really loved in Gen 2. I did not want a rival who was obsessed with being friends. I was disappointed in no valuable, plot-driven post-game content. And the game felt shorter over-all to me. This does not make RSE a bad game, it just means that of the first three, I liked Gen 2 the most.

Reasons I liked RSE, because there were reasons
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Mar 12 2011, 05:50 PM
Skyla
Mar 12 2011, 05:06 PM
R/S/E didn't add nearly as much
Natures, (actual) EV training, battle frontier, abilities, double battles. Just to name a few.
I'll give you natures and abilities, but R/S/E's improvements for EV training were just that, improvements to a system that's been around since Gen 1. Same thing for the Battle Frontier; it's just an expanded version of Crystal's Battle Tower. They are improvements, yes, but not new things introduced. And double battles are rarely used outside of gimmicks anyway.

EDIT: Except in Colosseum/XD; otherwise, double battles aren't used much.
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Giraffes are adorable.

Sunny-chan
Mar 12 2011, 08:18 PM
The death of G/S/C's attempt at installing plot into the game also didn't impress me: Gen 2 not only had team rocket actively talk about Red, but Blue became a gym leader and when you climbed mount silver you got to face this mute kid in a cave that was completely black and awesome looking. Gen 3 it's like... Your dad's a gym-leader instead of just absent, and you're fighting the first in a slew of Team Fashion Rejects. Yes, the teams since then have done some pretty crazy stuff, but even the attempted triggering of the Volcano and that whole rivalry between Magma and Aqua didn't feel like it was as serious as the hostile take-over of Golden Rod City, or the mind-control/creepy marketing push going on at the Lake of Rage.

And Silver's development as a character? Loved that to death.
Then you'll be happy to know that Gen 5 has a plot. At least not an excuse plot.
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Sunny-chan
Mar 12 2011, 08:18 PM
Yes, the teams since then have done some pretty crazy stuff, but even the attempted triggering of the Volcano and that whole rivalry between Magma and Aqua didn't feel like it was as serious as the hostile take-over of Golden Rod City, or the mind-control/creepy marketing push going on at the Lake of Rage.
Not even the threat of flooding/evaporating the entire region? Wow.

But I do understand what you mean about the other points you make. I'm sort of mixed in opinion considering G/S/C v. R/S/E.

Also, moved to Games.
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I was playing a bit of my brother's Heart Gold today, but unfortunately he's not beaten the Elite Four and can't go to Kanto. I REALLY want to see updated Kanto. =/ The chance to see 3-years-later Kanto was one of the coolest parts of G/S/C.
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Skyla
Mar 12 2011, 08:24 PM
Lilligant
Mar 12 2011, 05:50 PM
Skyla
Mar 12 2011, 05:06 PM
R/S/E didn't add nearly as much
Natures, (actual) EV training, battle frontier, abilities, double battles. Just to name a few.
I'll give you natures and abilities, but R/S/E's improvements for EV training were just that, improvements to a system that's been around since Gen 1. Same thing for the Battle Frontier; it's just an expanded version of Crystal's Battle Tower. They are improvements, yes, but not new things introduced. And double battles are rarely used outside of gimmicks anyway.

EDIT: Except in Colosseum/XD; otherwise, double battles aren't used much.
Not to mention that R/S only had the regular Battle Tower.
Emerald was the one that brought the Frontier.
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Mar 12 2011, 08:29 PM
Not even the threat of flooding/evaporating the entire region? Wow.

But I do understand what you mean about the other points you make. I'm sort of mixed in opinion considering G/S/C v. R/S/E.

Also, moved to Games.
To be honest, I couldn't actually remember anything except for the Volcano incident and then being yelled at in the cave where the Legendary-of-Choice resided. That could either be a result of not enough time devoted to replaying the game after I beat it, or I simply didn't find the outrageous threat that imminent. In GSC they actually take-over a city and put the civilians under house-arrest, the threat is far more in-your-face and serious, like Sylph Co. in Gen 1 where you're running around kicking Team Rocket in the teeth.

I know that for Gen 4 I just didn't play enough, I got to the whole other world arc and was just like "WTFFFFF-". Cool, yes, but also very, very broken.
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I think it really comes down to what a lot of Gen 2 proponents have already said: the huge number of changes/additions/improvements from Gen 1 to Gen 2 was astounding, so in a lot of ways Gen 3 just felt like a graphics update + running shoes >_> It doesn't make that generation BAD, it's just not as impressive a leap forward.

Quick question about Gen 4 though, because I loved the berries in Gen 3: If you didn't turn on the DS for like a week or something, did the berries in the berry-carrier-thingy die and not give back one of the same species to replenish? I remember pouring all the berries I had of one kind into the planter, got distracted for a week during exams, turned it back on once my schedule calmed down and had none of that berry left + an empty planter. Am I missing something or in Gen 3 did the trees not stay put/re-spawn if left unattended for too long?

I really didn't like that ):
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Wheey! I've became a human being!! I am very handsam!

I think you can always harvest at least one berry even if you completely neglect a plant. Must have been some kind of unusual glitch, or something.
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i have to give props to gen 2 because it introduced xatu the best poke ever btw

too bad gen 2 had an habit to give bad stats like it was candy qq
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From what I've seen, most people hate Gen 3 solely because you can't go back to Kanto/Johto like you could in Gen 2. A lot of them try to claim reasons like "it doesn't have enough new stuff" (when there's evidence to the contrary), but from what I've noticed it's mostly people butthurt that you can't go back to old regions. Personally, though? I felt like going back to Kanto in SS was... I dunno, it felt tacked on. Something I really did like about it though was the ability to challenge the old player character.

I wish they'd expand on that, you know? Allow us to challenge the male and female PCs from the old games, and have them use only mons from their old Region. That'd be kinda cool in my opinion. But if you're going to do the whole "go back to old region" thing... there's better ways to do it.
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2nd and 3rd gen were always my favourites personally, never understood the hate for either.
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I never understood hate, period. I mean, there's of course going to be differing aspects, but this topic itself proves that people enjoy different things. There's no point in arguing about it, beyond just agreeing to disagree. =P
There were things I liked in every generation. ^^
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Thanks Poui.

I didn't like 4th Gen for many reasons. But that was it.
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