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Topic Started: Jan 12 2011, 12:19 AM (18,158 Views)
UltaFlame
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Thanks Poui.

I didn't cite attack range as proof. All Models are pretty much equally mobile. So I didn't even see a point in citing proof of any fashion there.

I'd simply moved to the next point in the line.
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Yes, because Model L and both fly and climb ledges, right?

Oh, right. It can't. The only decent mobility option it has is the ability to move underwater. Tell me, how many times are you underwater? Oh, that's right, very rarely. You get maybe a couple fights where L's viable. That's it.
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Thanks Poui.

and outside of water, he's less mobile than, oh, I'm sorry, just Model H?

Everyone's less mobile than Model H outside of water. >.> That's not even a point.
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peytral pls

oh yay arguing about opinions
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Thanks Poui.

Model L is -definitely- not 'useless' outside of water, as Role is positing.

He's not the best model in the game, no, but he's definitely a lot better than Role is giving him credit.
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the point is that ground slashes for L cause you to stop moving.

Ergo, Role's entire point. That one little thing.
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atlus tracts

rosespark is the best

lack of mobility and useless attacks = hax rite
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Thanks Poui.

But all melee attacks make you have to stop moving. And you only will have difficulty in dashing in, hitting twice, and dashing out if you're REALLY slow about it. Or not using his midair attacks, which really are his primary assault.

And he only has one atack, actually. His alternate is the same as his normal.

EDIT: well, Model ZX and H -do- have their walking melee attacks, but those are useless in boss fights since you'd liekly end up jsut walking into the boss if you tried to use that.
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Jump and use the spinslash with ZX. It rapes everything. EVERYTHING. They were stupid and buffed it, and it was already a powerful move in the original. L cannot compete with that kind of damage without OIS.

Also, the main mobility models are H for speed and P for vertical climbing. There's maybe three or four parts where L gets a chance to shine - it's like they said "Well, we want to force them to use a water form for these areas, despite the fact that everything here is weak to fire instead". Where L gets to be mobile, it's unable to really shine. It COULD be much better, had they done level design a bit better, but as it stands, there's only a few places that you use it, and then only because they force you.

Where you're saying to use L, I'm telling you ZX is better. There's maybe a couple fights where you really get to use the charge attacks, if that, thanks to not having L for some of those earlier fights. Other than that, you're either going for mobility to get through the stage, you're going for an elemental advantage, or you're using ZX to wipe out everything with that overpowered attack.

Without OIS in the second game, L suffered horribly. They inadvertently nerfed it to hell.
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All of that, except, lol H for speed?
I think you mean Model H for vertical and gap jumping, Model P is mostly for run and gun, and advancing in dark areas. The claw grab thing is just a bonus.
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Claw grab is used often, especially in places juuuuust out of Model H's reach.

While yes, H is by far the most mobile, P's additional utility makes it used quite often in conjunction with Model H. The two make a very great pair when getting around.

Also, when you need to get somewhere fast, what do you use? Model H of course. The Dash → Airdash speed is pretty much unrivaled.

Damage → ZX
Speed → H
Mobility → H+P
Obstacles → F
Underwater → L

I guess for range it'd be A, but...
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If I wanted to get somewhere fast, I'd use the teleport.
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Good thing you never have to get anywhere that isn't right next to a teleport location then, huh?
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Wheey! I've became a human being!! I am very handsam!

less arguing about the worst series in the main timeline, more discussion of the fact that crotchless armor (thankfully) lost the MML3 design competition
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Gilgamesh
Jun 11 2011, 09:08 PM
Good thing you never have to get anywhere that isn't right next to a teleport location then, huh?
For the most part you're right, but isn't there at least 4 warps for every section of the game?
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Crash
http://s9.zetaboards.com/The_Temple_of_Kraden/single/?p=8321098&t=7257952
less arguing about the worst series in the main timeline, more discussion of the fact that crotchless armor (thankfully) lost the MML3 design competition
THANK GOD.

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http://s9.zetaboards.com/The_Temple_of_Kraden/single/?p=8321106&t=7257952
Gilgamesh
Jun 11 2011, 09:08 PM
Good thing you never have to get anywhere that isn't right next to a teleport location then, huh?
For the most part you're right, but isn't there at least 4 warps for every section of the game?
Yeas, but certain sidequests still require you to move around a lot. Also in Hard Mode, those warp points cost 500 E-crystals a piece, so you definitely won't have them all active by the end of the game unless you grind crystals.
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Crash
Jun 11 2011, 11:11 PM
less arguing about the worst series in the main timeline, more discussion of the fact that crotchless armor (thankfully) lost the MML3 design competition
We're not talking about Classic.

What? I'm not a very big fan of classic. Deal with it.
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Side note I've been wanting to mention if there are any fans of the Battlenetworl/.EXE series.

Is anyone else honestly surprised that there aren't apps reflective of this series on Android market? I would have bet money there would be a live wallpaper or some such with a Netnavi, and there is indeed nothing.
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Yeah, it's mostly a niche section of the fanbase. Not many people liked how the chip system worked, or how it was an RPG instead of action sidescroller.

I like it though.
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atlus tracts

.EXE was good.

Except for 4 that can die in a hole.
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