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Topic Started: Jan 12 2011, 12:19 AM (18,159 Views)
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ololol, Model ZX's Rolling Slash+Chronoforce's Time Bomb=like half the boss' HP gone in one go

The thing with the models is that they tried to make the models replace the weapons/EX skills from the previous series, which really doesn't work. All that does is make things go from "some weapons are useless" to "some characters are useless." In X8, you had three characters, and none of them were useless. Some weapons like X's Shining Ray you would hardly use, but you still had more than enough incentive to use all three characters. Plus, the fact that models have to use weapon energy to use charge attacks automatically makes the physical ones better. I mean, I'd have a lot more fun using Model F if I didn't have to use up weapon energy whenever I wanted to do something besides bullet spam...(yes it has the punch attack but since that's a half charge the only way to do it is to stop what you're doing and then smack the enemy before you get a full charge, which is stupid)

Whereas ZXA gave us...Rosespark >__>

Granted, the others aren't nearly as completely useless, but Buckfire and Argoyle/Ugoyle are really the only ones you can even TRY to use for normal combat, which all goes out the window if the platforming requires any wall jumping (except in closed spaces, then you can keep using Buckfire for a while). Bifrost is capable of combat if you want him to be though, but he only works in a select few rooms, and Queen Bee suffers from the "needs energy to do anything" part, but since she flies she'd be a Game Breaker in the final level otherwise.

It's funny though, you remember Atlas's boss room? It has ropes there, like they were TRYING to get you to use Rosespark there, but yeah, good luck with that.
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Yeah, I have no idea what the hell they were thinking. It's supposed to be a shout out to Axl, but they forgot that nobody likes Axl. Plus, Model A itself? I dunno, it's too much like Model X in my opinion. If they gave it the multi-directional shot on top of that... gimmicky mid-range homing thing, then I think it'd have been much better. But once you got H, that's all you use for mobility. Once you get L, that's all you use underwater. Once you get ZX, that's all you use to fight with. Everything else is situational at best.

Instead of that gimmicky MESS that was fighting as the pseudoroids, I'd have preferred them to actually expand upon the existing models, you know? Have A be a character you MEET when playing as ZX. Have it replace the Model Ox functionality as Model Ax. Have Model X unlock again instead of that 8-bit a.

The only really good thing I saw out of ZXA? They made the two characters different. Playing as Ashe was much different than playing as Grey. Actually, preferred Ashe's Model A to Grey's, since Grey's was more or less a one-shot Model X with that gimmicky homing shot thing added on. At least Ashe's version played differently... too bad I wanted to kill her every time she opened her damn mouth...
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May 3 2011, 10:29 PM
Yeah, I have no idea what the hell they were thinking. It's supposed to be a shout out to Axl, but they forgot that nobody likes Axl. Plus, Model A itself? I dunno, it's too much like Model X in my opinion. If they gave it the multi-directional shot on top of that... gimmicky mid-range homing thing, then I think it'd have been much better. But once you got H, that's all you use for mobility. Once you get L, that's all you use underwater. Once you get ZX, that's all you use to fight with. Everything else is situational at best.

Instead of that gimmicky MESS that was fighting as the pseudoroids, I'd have preferred them to actually expand upon the existing models, you know? Have A be a character you MEET when playing as ZX. Have it replace the Model Ox functionality as Model Ax. Have Model X unlock again instead of that 8-bit a.

The only really good thing I saw out of ZXA? They made the two characters different. Playing as Ashe was much different than playing as Grey. Actually, preferred Ashe's Model A to Grey's, since Grey's was more or less a one-shot Model X with that gimmicky homing shot thing added on. At least Ashe's version played differently... too bad I wanted to kill her every time she opened her damn mouth...
if by "homing shot" you mean holding down R and performing that lock on attack, Ashe has that as well; really their only two differences are in their weapons and crawl speeds. That's about it.

Also lol the voice acting was horrible for all the people. The most redeeming part of the game imo is when
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I think her main point was that since your primary weapon is the buster, Reflect Laser made Ashe feel different. Considering that X had similar weapons before (Homing Torpedo and Lock On Laser(?)), the homing shot isn't even anything new (although it works a lot differently).

And yeah, Role, I agree. It's supposed to be Axl, but keeping the charge shot makes it play like X7 Axl, who was just an inferior X. Plus, Model ZX gets the exact same charge shot, so if you aren't using Ashe, Model ZX just plain renders Model A obsolete (there are a few situations where you might want to use the homing shot, I guess, but that eats up a lot of weapon energy so you can't spam it anyway). I think it would have worked best if they just did what they did with Axl in X8; give him different weapons based on the boss, instead of the forms. There's no reason why they couldn't have given us Buckfire's drop kick as a weapon attack, for instance.

...Actually that'd be pretty damn awesome.

But yeah, if they were going to make it based on Axl, they should've gone all the way. Give him his bullet spam, give us weapons based on the bosses, all that stuff. There's nothing on Model A that is Axl exclusive except for A-Trans. Charge shot is a carbon copy of X's, and Zero already got Reflect Laser in X3.

And yeah at best the voice acting was passable (I actually kind of liked Vent and Albert) and at worst it was...not. Seriously, aside from how horrible her voice is, Aile doesn't even use the same tone in the Double Megamerge scene that she does normally. Come on, stick to one voice at least.
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Giraffes are adorable.

AWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!



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I really want Powered Up 9 to exist. Jewels is so adorable and I want to play as him.

In other news the Prototype is revealed to have more than ten missions.

http://www.capcom-unity.com/gregaman/blog/2011/05/10/mml3:_prototype_version_missions_and_such

Pssst... Notice the type of wording they use now. They say let players experience MML3 early and nothing about BUY IT NOW OR WE WILL CANCEL! The tone is less urgent.
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Wheey! I've became a human being!! I am very handsam!

That's nice.

In other news, I'm going to the comic store to pick up Mega Man issue #1 tomorrow. I guess it's illustrated by the same guy who's done the Sonic stuff for Archie Comics for years. And also finally grabbing Bad Guy Earth #3
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Wheey! I've became a human being!! I am very handsam!

Speaking of Mega Man voice acting, my brother legally obtained Battle Network 5 DS version. AUGH the yells when in Synchro and the "huh!" every single time you use a chip and the same two or three lines before/after every battle ohmygosh stop it please

And I love how MegaMan (it really is one word in that case) and Lan have the exact same voice. Sure, they were twins, but even identical twins have distinguishable voices in real life.
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Wheey! I've became a human being!! I am very handsam!

Finally got the comic today, lol laziness. The art is good, the first issue was your standard fare origin story. They're going with a slightly modified version of the "Light and Wily were partners, Wily betrayed him" angle. There were some cameos from the three bots from Battle & Chase and a joke about the MM1 boxart. That kinda stuff makes me confident this isn't some dude who has only a passing knowledge of the series, it's someone who is able to craft a story using all available assets and is familiar with the series and its fans.
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Yeah, I've heard that this comic is rather faithful to the series and works using what's there, rather than adding in a whole bunch of original things, which is pretty cool.
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Thanks Poui.

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May 3 2011, 04:17 PM
For example, Model L/LX is worthless outside of the water - they could have done something to make it better. Model F/FX is only really good for clearing obstacles or making trick shots. Models ZX, HX, and PX were really all that got used...
STOP RIGHT THERE

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Model L's normal attack's range is huge. It also does fairly decent damage and if you're fast enough you can get two hits in with it. Compare that with his average mobility, and Model L quickly reveals itself to be a pretty heavy asset in boss battles. And No matter who you're using Model L destroys Aeolus, although Grey's makes it easier.

In contrast, Model P is only really useful if you're playing with the shuriken, and even then, his only use is destroying Albert's dragon-form. He makes THAT easy-mode (though it's not exactly difficulty center anyway) but other than that, Model P doesn't destroy mooks fast enough to be good in the actual levels, although you have a point on Model F.

I almost never used Model F. Except, I guess, for killing Queenbee's weapon thing.

Also, Model L? It breaks Albert's second form. Just stand in front of the missles and spam your button of choice. You'll break each missile before it explodes on you and your position keeps you safe from every single combination of balls of light Albert can send at you - except one, which he almost never throws out anyway and which is easily avoidable.

So on that point I disagree.

Also, exploring that one dark mission before the Model W'd spider thing is the only other use of Model P there is.
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Giraffes are adorable.

Oh em gee, like Capcom finally found the source code for the GB games and are going to put them in the 3DS VC shop, oh wait a minute...

http://www.themmnetwork.com/2011/06/02/rockman-world-returns-with-the-launch-of-the-nintendo-3ds-eshop-in-japan/
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May 3 2011, 10:29 PM
Yeah, I have no idea what the hell they were thinking. It's supposed to be a shout out to Axl, but they forgot that nobody likes Axl. Plus, Model A itself? I dunno, it's too much like Model X in my opinion. If they gave it the multi-directional shot on top of that... gimmicky mid-range homing thing, then I think it'd have been much better. But once you got H, that's all you use for mobility. Once you get L, that's all you use underwater. Once you get ZX, that's all you use to fight with. Everything else is situational at best.

Instead of that gimmicky MESS that was fighting as the pseudoroids, I'd have preferred them to actually expand upon the existing models, you know? Have A be a character you MEET when playing as ZX. Have it replace the Model Ox functionality as Model Ax. Have Model X unlock again instead of that 8-bit a.

The only really good thing I saw out of ZXA? They made the two characters different. Playing as Ashe was much different than playing as Grey. Actually, preferred Ashe's Model A to Grey's, since Grey's was more or less a one-shot Model X with that gimmicky homing shot thing added on. At least Ashe's version played differently... too bad I wanted to kill her every time she opened her damn mouth...
if by "homing shot" you mean holding down R and performing that lock on attack, Ashe has that as well; really their only two differences are in their weapons and crawl speeds. That's about it.

Also lol the voice acting was horrible for all the people. The most redeeming part of the game imo is when
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Reflect Laser > Buster Shot clone. And I know Ashe has the homing shot too. It's part of Model A, not something unique to them. And I really dislike it.

Ashe versions does play differently for the very reasons you listed. Completely different charge shots (for the things that matter - nobody cares about the stupid pseudoroids).

@EXE5 Voices: What really gets me on that game? Lan and Hub are twins. They have different voices. I mean, sure - I don't think it's ever said whether it's fraternal or identical, but given how media usually works, twins = identical, so I figured it'd at least have been clever to have then use at least similar voices. Oh, and sounding their age would have been a plus, too...

@Ulta: Model L is clunky outside of water. It's also limited to single strikes, no combos, so you'd better be using charge shots or you're screwed. Model P is a mobility model, not used for combat so much as it is for the claw climb (and PX for the shadow step in OIS - not sure if it stayed in ZXA). As for vs Albert... ZX rolling slash kills him in like ten seconds, if that.

@Himi: I hope you're not surprised by that. Japan always gets stuff before we do, if we do.
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Each Guardian A-trans has it's own disadvantages. Model H has no distance attack that's not a slow moving costly whirlwind. Model F can't move when he's attacking. Model L is severely hampered when not in water, and there's basically only one move, one underwater move, and a chargeshot. Model P's only disadvantage is lack of single shot power; his claw gives him about 1.5 times more mobility than vanilla X, and he can chew right through small encounters. That's why ZX is an endgame Trans; because it's so OP.

God help anyone fighting OX Megaman.
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how can you say the pseudroids sucked rosespark was broken
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Wheey! I've became a human being!! I am very handsam!

Happy Rockman Day.

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Jun 3 2011, 12:26 PM
@Ulta: Model L is clunky outside of water. It's also limited to single strikes, no combos, so you'd better be using charge shots or you're screwed. Model P is a mobility model, not used for combat so much as it is for the claw climb (and PX for the shadow step in OIS - not sure if it stayed in ZXA). As for vs Albert... ZX rolling slash kills him in like ten seconds, if that.
I disagree. Model L is very powerful in or outside of water - I can and do use him against most of the bosses, simply because his range is SO FREAKING HUGE.
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Oh snap, that picture's awesome.
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Range is huge... compared to what? Other Melee models, right? P, F, ZX, and hell, even A have better range. Range is not a valid excuse, especially since melee models NEED mobility due to their very nature.
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Model L's not mobile? He's decently mobile. And his standard strike can hit Pandora through her shields - that's three hits you can get on her before she starts throwing her spears out - and another two you can get when they're out.

That's five hits, whereas ZX's ZX Saber combo only can hi her through it on the last hit - meaning that's 5 times as many hits as ZXcan get on her. And his midair attack has good vertical range, meaning you can dash jump over most things and hit them with his attack safely.

EDIT: Also, particularly in the case of Expert Mode in ZXA, you want to preserve your Biometal Energy, and only Model A's standard charge attack doesn't consume it. Model P in general is useless in boss fights (I can only use him successfully against Model ZX, or Siarnaq) while Model F has poor boss-fighting charge attacks. The bomb has too little damage,a nd the the fire wave has too short a range. Model ZX has the charged hit and the ability to triple attack - but you have to remain standing to use the triple attack ANYWAY. And ZX's melee attack range falls short in comparison to Model L's. So playign that you're best off using a charged ZX Saber or attack or a charged Buster attack - both of which consume Biometal Energy. Which recovers painfully slow on Expert mode.
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He's decently mobile. And his standard strike can hit Pandora through her shields


You claim they're mobile... and you site their attack range as proof. Are you f***ing serious?

Edit: Model P is a mobility model - it's used for transit. Also... your claim against ZX is that you never used the crazy-hax spinslash? REALLY?
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