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Tuaparang Soldiers [SPOILERS]
Topic Started: Jan 2 2011, 03:22 PM (1,280 Views)
Blissfulystoopid
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I'm going to be brief and quote someone else who mostly stated what I was wondering, then respond with the response I gave (this post and topic taken from a GameFAQ's topic by a user named Satarack)

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So I just completed my 2nd playthrough, and something Alex said when confronting Blados and Chalis struck me this time around:

Alex to Blados and Chalis: "Your expression suggests that Imperial loyalty isn't the first of your priorities."

Then a little bit later,

Alex: "Are those men who came down from the airship really Tuaparang soldiers? They seem to have strange powers unlike normal psynergy... Just like you two."

That's a strange thing to say, it can't be that he's referring to dark psynergy because Alex just finished explaining that the Tuaparang were people descended of the Umbra clan to Matthew; and that they have dark psynergy. I'd assume that dark psynergy would work in a similar manner as regular psynergy, so Alex must be referring to something else here. The only other explanation I can think of is that he's trying to force them into admitting that they have dark psynergy.

Alex: "You are here for the Apollo Lens, correct? What will you do with it?"

Blados: "What a good question! Chalis, what will we use it for?"

Chalis: "Oh, we can't spoil the surprise, can we?"

Alex: "Based on your trajectory, your target is Tuaparang... Or perhaps the area around Sol Sanctum..."

This raises so many questions, but there's no way to answer them. Alex is definitely implying that they aren't all that they seem to be, not just from the standpoint of Matthew's group, but also within the ranks of the Tuaparang. He questions their loyalty, and suggests that they might be planning to use the Apollo Lens on Tuaparang itself. I could see there being several factions within Tuaparang that might be vying for dominance, and that Blados and Chalis might be trying to manipulate the High Empyror, but if they are really Tuaparang, then why would Alex suggest they might fire on their own people?


This is his post, next up, my reply.

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All interesting points, but I had thought he was just simply alluding to Dark Psynergy. The way I interpreted the situation was that the two of them are Dark Adepts, but Tuaparang as a whole is NOT filled with Adepts or Dark Adepts, much like the rest of Weyard. The soldiers use cables and cords to get around, and it's heavily implied that the soldiers, regular footmen if you will, should have on psynergy.

So what this told me, is that perhaps the "Tua Soldiers" you fight near the end are a rebellious faction under Blados and Chalis, concealing their Dark Psynergy and pretending to be regular foot-soldiers.

Furthermore, your post just revealed something else for a moment to me. Alex states that the laser is likely pointed at Tuaparang... OR Sol Sanctum. Geographically, is this a clue to Tuaparang's location? Is it just north of Sol Sanctum? Or, many people have projected the theory that Tuaparang is from the "other" side of Gaia Falls. Perhaps with the giant wreckage around Sol Sanctum, they're from under-ground, given a way out to explore due to the Golden Sun event?


Anyone else have anything to add? This seems an intensely interesting point of discussion.
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Thanks Poui.

Actually I think the Tuaparang are the Anemosians.
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Okay, I've been thinking about this for a while, and here's my opinion:

First of all, when you talk about the "geographical location" of Tuaparang, you can't really mean "geographical", because Tuaparang has no fixed location. At present time, it is an airship, which would make sense with the whole Anemos deal-eo (Sheba fell from the sky). It could have landed near Sol Sanctum, however, perhaps to try and excavate something from the ruins?

What I think, however, and I may be completely off with this, is that there is something in the ruins of Mount Aleph/Sol Sanctum that the Tuaparang/High Empyror (also I'm thinking there's some sort of Fire connection with that name) put there, that Blados and Chalis don't want to be there.

Think to the very beginning of the game, when there was a huge airship flying over the peak of a mountain, and they drop something in to the mountain. Perhaps a Psynergy vortex machine? That would explain the ending, with the huge vortex by the ruins of Mount Aleph. Blados and Chalis could actually have a hidden agenda to try and stop the vortex from appearing...

...or perhaps fire the intense beam of power directly into the vortex? Imagine the intensity of the power that would be absorbed... Something the High Empyror wants, maybe?


Anyways, those are just thoughts. I have a couple more ideas, but I'll keep them to myself for now.
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Those dialogues caught me the first time around, I was actually annoyed that no one else seem to have caught this.

Either way, the way I see it. The term "Tuaparang" does not necessarily refer to that particular military nation as we understand it. While that is what "Tuaparang" refers to, one thing we must note is that we have never actually seen Tuaparang locationwise, and when Matthew and co. uses the term "Tuaparang" they are simply using it as a short-hand to refer to the antagonists. Because Matthew and Co.'s understanding of the "Tuaparang" is limited only to Blados/Chalis and the black armored soldiers, given they've never actually seen the location/ship/thing.

So when Alex tells them that the "Tuaparang" are really scions of the umbra clan, he was using a shorthand referring to the people that Matthew and Co. knows of - Blado, Chalis, and the Black armored soldiers that they are seeing. He's not referring to the Tuaparang as in the whole nation, and as suggested by his dialogues with Blados and Chalis, they are hiding a lot of things.

Regardless, when Alex questions if those soldiers are really "Tuaparang" soldiers on the basis that they have dark psynergy. This would make sense if we take into consideration my suggested two way of reading the term "Tuaparang". When Alex speaks to Matthew and Co., he is using the shorthand resultant from how Matthew and Co., understands "Tuaparang". When he speaks to Blados and Chalis, the mutual understanding of "Tuaparang" is different, and in this case could refer to the actual nation/ship/thing.

So the first interpretation that can be drawn from this is similar to what you said. That Tuaparang are not purely dark-psynergy based, and that the dark psynergy soldiers are really followers of Blados/Chalis' factions. And their random encounter name "Tua Soldier" is given based on Matthew and Co.'s understanding of "Tuaparang".

A second interpretation I'm drawing here is that neither Blados, Chalis nor Alex are Tuaparang. Alex did make it clear during the Luna Tower, that he's not of Tuaparang. It can be the case that their relation to Tuaparang is similar to what was shown of Chalis' relation to Kaocho. They are possibly just mercenaries, and not actual Tuaparang decedents. I'm drawing this based on the conflict of interest shown between Alex and Blados/Chalis near the end based on what the "High Empryor" seem to want. Despite Alex not being part of Tuaparang, he seems to have a closer personal relation with the "High Empryor" as disclosed by how he's revealling it.

So my theory here is that, it was Blados/Chalis' intention, and possibly also Alex's for some reason to unleash the Luna Tower, they made use of Matthew and Co., Kaocho, Volechek, and even Tuaparang to do it. After the Luna Tower was activated, the High Empryor, as disclosed by Alex during the dialogue in questions gave order to allow Matthew to activate Apollo Lens with the idea to shut down Luna Tower in mind. This might suggest of a separation between the intentions of Tuaparang, and Blados/Chalis altogether - unless Alex is lying, although that's doubtful given how Blados/Chalis are replying to his accusations. Overall, Blados/Chalis simply had their own agenda, but used Tuaparang as a scapegoat by calling themselves the Tuaparang, though it may be case that they are representing them.
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