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Statement of Intent Revisited~; Let's get down to business.
Topic Started: Dec 3 2010, 07:53 AM (4,893 Views)
Adnarel
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I'd rather be outside.

As you've mentioned yourself, Bliss, it's all about context. Given that you've admitted that you lack it, I encourage caution before you call people douches. I'm not saying that it's okay to tease Sacra, but perhaps you should consider what the people who you considered 'douchey' thought about Sacra based on her conduct prior to her topic.

In short, read Fluff's post. >_>
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Silverpine
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To help with context regarding Sacra: http://s9.zetaboards.com/The_Temple_of_Kraden/topic/7249383/1/
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Gilgamesh
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Since I was one of the people in who gave Sacra the "CRY SOME MOAR" treatment, I guess I'll clarify that.

She was "spoiled" because she heard the name of a level. A non-indicative name, not something major like, say, Venus Lighthouse. I won't bring the spoiler argument to this thread, but frankly I found it childish and pretty rude on her part to do what was essentially throwing a tantrum and calling everyone out. Just look at the name of her topic.

Judging by Adnarel's and Fluff's posts in the topic, I'm going to reinforce the argument that several of us felt that way. (If I'm misreading you guys, please say so and I'll apologize).

That out of the way, I was one of the people who was participating in that last topic while it was fun and games, and I didn't even notice the shift from the RPing kind of event thing to actively malicious serious topic until Crash made that post, which is when I stopped posting in it.

tl;dr: Basically I agree with Fluff, but that doesn't mean that Satty's post doesn't have merit either.
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Silverpine
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Not that she had no RIGHT to be upset about hearing this information, especially when she walks into a thread understandably meaning to be "safe" from such spoilers. But in communicating how upset she was to people in that thread, her manner in doing so... was hard to understand. DX Serious, or not? Attempts to gauge how serious Sacra was were ignored, it seems. >_> I understand how that'd frustrate people...

Anyway, I'm personally glad that people are sharing their thoughts and feelings here~ :D I'd say this is more successful than the other thread, haha...
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SeaMonkeyFarmer
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Yeah, as with most of these types of things I share opinions with Fluff, but like Bryan I am not as good as putting them across as he is. Plus, I don't even have the excuse of it being 6am!

Also, seeing as it was brought up here, I just want to say that the brief happenings in Sacra's topic seemed inappropriate to me. Quite frankly she annoys me too lately, but it was a goodbye topic and she's not there to even attempt to defend herself, so I said goodbye, rather than [radio edit]ing. (But I made up for it by [radio edit]ing here instead, it seems D: )
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Crash
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Wheey! I've became a human being!! I am very handsam!

Boydgamesh's point about the triviality of the "spoiler" Sacra found is right, but at the same time 10 people didn't need to quote the post he made there without adding anything to it. Since, you know, that adds literally nothing to the conversation. I've got half a mind to start deleting posts like that outside of PG for essentially being spam, honestly. That was why I locked the thread, the reaction was getting out of hand and I don't think any other posts were going to be productive.
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The Grim Lich
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Mostly I'm posting here to say that I disagree with Fluff's post because, in my opinion, having read the whole thing, it seems that the "SRS BRGD" were keeping up the RP of overseriousness while trying to make a point, a point I think they managed to make and were being hammered for using nonconventional means to make. When it becomes inappropriate to use comedy as social commentary, it leads to a society I'd rather have nothing to do with. I didn't post until page 5, true, and I didn't read from the beginning until Delf's post until now, but the vibe I got from Pages 1-3 was the same goddamn vibe I got from my post onwards. A vibe of "Hey, let's address these issues and have a good time while doing it, because god dammit, we're the Temple and we're awesome enough to pull this shit off."

Also, I read it without Fluff's posts, and honestly? The thread works a lot better without them. Which this one would if people didn't keep referring to Fluff's post as being Kraden Incarnate. It's not. It's standard Fluff fare, which makes me disgusted to agree with anything in it, even if it were a stirring defense of everything I hold dear.
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Sundancer
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Fluff, I love you.

I do agree with Satty as well, but mostly I agree with Fluff.

I don't have much to add that's not going to turn into useless [radio edit]ing, so just letting people know where I stand on this. As for Sacra, I'm not even entirely sure how it happened, though I know I've found her annoying lately. It did seem a bit much to act that way in her goodbye topic, but her post wasn't exactly friendly either, mruuw.

Edit: Grim, whether his post is "Kraden Incarnate" or not, that's somebody's opinion. And... you're disgusted to agree with something that defends what you hold dear? Sorry, just trying to clarify.
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Artemis
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Agreeing or disagreeing with things based on pure bias isn't a good idea. Anyway. what Fluff said makes sense, and is apparently what a lot of us were thinking. So if it's been referred to by several people, it has a reason, and a good one.

However, this isn't really helping things, although honestly I'm surprised that we've exaggerated this whole debacle to this extent.
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The Grim Lich
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Legitimate Businessman

Alright, this is where I draw the line. If you feel that way about someone, you can express that privately.

Informal warning.
Edited by Crash, Dec 3 2010, 11:43 PM.
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Adnarel
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I'd rather be outside.

Grim, you're not being remotely constructive. Please try again, and try not to disagree with a clear-headed and fair post because you don't like its author. Or if you really do disagree with it, come up with a better argument than "Fluff made it, so I don't want to agree with it."

I wrote and rewrote this post about 40 times before I came up with one where I wouldn't be accused of flaming. >_>
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The Grim Lich
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Understood completely, guys. I... guess my point about his argument not jiving with my idea about the way the thread was going and what Vae had written in his first post was... yeah. I can't be articulate to save my life, huh.

Also, I guess honesty of that sort isn't the best policy, huh? Sorry, Crash, for posting that bit of make-work for you. Just felt that people deserved to see my true, if ugly, thoughts on that particular matter.
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Fluff
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Grim,

With all due politeness, I'm not sure that you're quite socially experienced enough to give a very valid analysis in this case--and I want to stress that I'm most definitely not trying to be rude to you when I say that. I really don't appreciate the personal attacks, by the way. If you feel that I'm being inappropriate, or if you have any actual criticisms of what I've said, please bring up your objections here. Failing that, perhaps you'll understand my perspective when you too move out of the house.

Best,
Fluff
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Crash
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Wheey! I've became a human being!! I am very handsam!

You can tell that to whoever you want privately, just not in this context.
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The Grim Lich
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Legitimate Businessman

All right. Understood, skipper.
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Adnarel
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I'd rather be outside.

Informal poll.

Lock this thread, y/n?
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Artemis
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I'm not really sure what more purpose it could have than the repetition of ideas that have already been stated and the creation of more problems. But then again, maybe somebody has something new to say. Though it seems unlikely.
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The Grim Lich
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Legitimate Businessman

Y. And another apology for my little "outburst" there. Didn't mean to be so... yeah.
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Adnarel
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I'd rather be outside.

Hey, don't worry about it. We all have our moments. I'm certainly not exempt. <_>
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Blissfulystoopid
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I do admit, that I have the possibility of being wrong, but I'm going to ally myself with what Crash said most recently. It was pointless and excessive for everyone to quote the posts that made fun of Sacra excessively, regardless of how much someone may or may not deserve it, it's basically trolling. To clarify, I support you guys defending yourself on the subject, and can see why Sacra's posts are certainly unclear and hard to gauge, but there's a noticeable difference between saying a spoiler is negligible and outright abusing someone for it, hence the "douchey" segment of my regular approach. From what interaction I've seen, everyone here doesn't seem to always be like that, but that could just be because I usually avoid these situations, and it was jarring for me to see everyone be so outright rude.

However, I'm quite glad this topic has remained so cordial.
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