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[SSB] Wikileaks drama
Topic Started: Nov 29 2010, 10:24 PM (514 Views)
Silverpine
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What do you guys think of it? I'm still learning about what's going on, from what I'm seeing... The next coming weeks will certainly... be interesting...
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Chrono Ivan
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Nothing is more infuriating to control freaks than all their embarassing secrets getting revealed to the public they are supposedly accountable to. Most of it will just make the nations involved look like douches.

if it's anything like the last wikileaks, nothing real will come of it, we'll just get the actual explanations for a bunch of international drama llamas.
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b l o n d e b o n d
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Bout time. Nobody likes it when uncomfortable things are said about powerful people. *sagenod*
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Gilgamesh
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Chrono Ivan
Nov 29 2010, 10:40 PM
Nothing is more infuriating to control freaks than all their embarassing secrets getting revealed to the public they are supposedly accountable to. Most of it will just make the nations involved look like douches.

if it's anything like the last wikileaks, nothing real will come of it, we'll just get the actual explanations for a bunch of international drama llamas.
This, basically. Not that North Korea can do anything else besides looking like a douchebag, of course.
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Adnarel
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I'd rather be outside.

It's not the embarassment that I mind. It's the fact that some of these leaks could endanger lives. That's where I draw the line.
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Crash
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Wheey! I've became a human being!! I am very handsam!

Man these wikileaks supporters are [radio edit]ing stupid.

"BOYCOTT PAYPAL, MASTERCARD, ETC FOR GETTING INVOLVED IN POLITICAL AFFAIRS BY DENYING WIKILEAKS TRANSACTIONS"

oh no how dare a company stop providing its services to a customaer who has knowingly and repeatedly broken their terms of service
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Adnarel
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I'd rather be outside.

When all else fails, call "rape." That's the legacy of Feminism.
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Crash
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Wheey! I've became a human being!! I am very handsam!

Yeah, and don't even get me started on that one.


Basically what it boils down to is that everyone on all sides of the issue is being goddamn stupid.
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Silverpine
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Adnarel
Dec 8 2010, 03:13 PM
When all else fails, call "rape." That's the legacy of Feminism.
http://www.thelocal.se/30698/20101208/

Sadness.


Anyway. >_> The more government tries to stop Wikileaks, the more support... I'm hearing that Anonymous is involved in some of these hackings/disruptions (since I'm not sure if DDoS can be labelled hacking).
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Gilgamesh
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I honestly want to see what happens if Wikileaks pisses off China or something :U

"Free speech is good for democracies" won't save them there.
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Silverpine
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(Speaking of China, have you heard about this new Confucius Peace Prize that they're giving out? It's insulting. >_>)

So, are these hacking/disruption tactics by pro-Wiki people a part of cyber warfare? I don't think the level is at the point where you can label this situation AS a cyber war. But then, cyber wars might have different requirements than the traditional "country vs. country/guerilla group/WHATEVER".
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Gilgamesh
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I've always heard that cyber warfare still has the "country vs country" requirement, so no, this wouldn't count as cyber warfare since its just private individuals up against a country.

(Also no, I have not. What is it?)
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Silverpine
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(Look here: http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/12/09/china.confucius.peace/index.html)

Or just private individuals against a company - Mastercard and Paypal aren't exactly countries.
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Gilgamesh
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solbowz Aurarius

Oh wait, nevermind, misread somewhere that they did something to Sweden, derp
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Gilgamesh
Dec 8 2010, 10:30 PM
I honestly want to see what happens if Wikileaks pisses off China or something :U

"Free speech is good for democracies" won't save them there.
The site was formed by Chinese anti-government activists, and they have released stuff on them. Just nothing as large as what they've released on the US.

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It's not the embarassment that I mind. It's the fact that some of these leaks could endanger lives. That's where I draw the line.

There's plenty of things governments do that endanger lives. Like war crimes. If exposure of these incites and helps their prevention, those are lives being saved.
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Vorlan
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In general I support Wikileaks. Certainly I don't approve of some of the descisions which they have made - for example the release of information on anti-Taliban Afghans was patently irresponsible but this is not a black and white issue and a lot of what they've released is clearly in the public interest as it provides evidence for government duplicity which before was only suspected. Hopefully this will lead to greater government transparency and will make it harder for those in power to lie to those they claim to represent in the long run.
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Kentington
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On one hand, if the US government is covering up civilian murders in Iraq and Afghanistan (to pick just one example), the people, both US and Iraqi, have a right to know and to hold leaders accountable - WikiLeaks serves a legitimate, and essential, public-interest role by leaking this sort of thing. On the other hand, posting information on military strategy and/or tactics, or information which might "out" informants, is just plain irresponsible and potentially fatal. I would say that, overall, WikiLeaks has done more good than harm, and is an encouraging example of using the Internet to promote greater transparency than was possible in the past.

On a third, mutant hand, this is a nuanced viewpoint and thus has no place in today's media, as it will be completely drowned out by the whackjobs on both sides - a congressman literally called WikiLeaks a terrorist organization, while the political blocs who believe that America is responsible for everything wrong with the world (up to and including acne and carsickness) will cite the administration's response to WikiLeaks as more evidence that we're secretly plotting to build an empire on the ashes of Iraq. So, paradoxically, this whole drama might simply further polarize the world and lead to an administration that takes more repressive steps to prevent the sort of transparency WikiLeaks supporters strive for (we've already seen the US ban all federal employees from viewing the site).
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