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[SSB] Charles Darwin was the founder of modern racism.
Topic Started: Nov 28 2010, 08:30 PM (970 Views)
ObviousisHere42
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I agree. Do you guys think he was?
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Black Kitty
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"Social-Darwinism"?

Indeed.

~mao...

EDIT: this should be in srs srs bsn, imo.
RE-EDIT: troll topic wut?
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Gilgamesh
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lol, troll topics.

Try harder.

EDIT: Alternatively, you're all mongrels, and I am the only one fit to rule you all.
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ObviousisHere42
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No. I have read Darwin's the descent of man, and i can say without a shadow a doubt, wholeheartedly, that darwin is the founder of today's racism.
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UltaFlame
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Thanks Poui.

-Garm Essay-
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ObviousisHere42
Nov 28 2010, 08:37 PM
No. I have read Darwin's the descent of man, and i can say without a shadow a doubt, wholeheartedly, that darwin is the founder of today's racism.
I'm not entirely sure if serious >_>

Why would you think that; what supports your claim? /serious
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Saturos
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>______>

Do you really think the ideas of racism started with Darwin?

Also, going to SRS SRS BSNS because loltroll topic

i think this should be moved to srs srs bsns imho
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Vačscent
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Arthur de Gobineau. I would say he's the grandfather of "modern racism," as he equated race with ethnicity, a la culture. I haven't done a whole lot of research on him, but I recall he's the one who launched the notion of ranking of races - with one on the top, the middle, and bottom. This was only as far back as the 19th century, but it makes sense considering there wasn't the sheer degree of interaction between differing cultures prior to that era.
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Adnarel
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I'd rather be outside.

Define modern racism to me.
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Fluff
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I think the Chinese are the fathers of modern racism. [radio edit]ing rice-eaters.

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Saturos
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Racism has been around for thousands of years. Fluff is right, I believe, considering the Chinese have always considered themselves a superior race.
also, look at how Europe reacted to the natives in 1538 and afterwards. Look at the constant stream of slavery that is hundreds/thousands of years old.

The only thing that can save this topic is an insightful clarification as to what the topic creator means by "modern racism." Otherwise it's a failure.
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Vorlan
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Imperial Spain institutionalised racism hundreds of years before Darwin was even born. They even classified people in terms of racial purity. For example here's an Wikipedia article on their obsession (particularly in the colonies) with "Limpieza de sangre" which in English is roughly "purity of the blood". (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleanliness_of_blood)

Also don't forget that racism is clearly present in Biblical times. For example the story of the good Samaritan is a sign that there was racial hatred between Hebrew and Samaritan people at the time.
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Black Kitty
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The father of modern racism would have to be our ancestors, I mean you look ar the Europeans and their superior views of themselves, the Chinese and their views on superiority and the other races and their views on whose the top dog.

Charles Darwin merely provided a theory of evolution. It's just our sick twisted minds that moulded his theory of "survival of the fittest" into "social darwinism".

~mao...
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peytral pls

Saturos
Nov 29 2010, 12:20 PM
Look at the constant stream of slavery that is hundreds/thousands of years old.
Actually, a lot of slavery was less racism and just kind of... a way to get free labor, I guess.
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Vačscent
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Aye, this is a huge subject up for debate. "Modern Racism," as I was making it out to be in the last post, describes the rationalization of racial superiority on paper. Nazism was in part influenced by Gobineau's ideology. I'm talking about racialist theories here, like the notion of a "master race" and the tiering of them. "Scientific racism," if you may.

This is unlike slavery, which was usually much more of the case of exploitation of labor as Peytral delved into there. Not that I wouldn't call it racist, but economics was the primary motivating factor underneath some of the justifications given. True, we still have forms of this at present-day, but I distinguish it from the above description and links attached to them.

As per what the topic creator was referring to, I can't really say. I did a short google search, and it's hard for me to take what I found seriously.
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Lemubaby
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Technically, prejudice is a natural thing, so there is no such thing as "founding" racsism.
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Adnarel
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I'd rather be outside.

Slavery did not always used to be race-fueled, Saturos. Peytral is right.

Also, the Chinese were, and continue to be, incredibly racist and have always been all "we are teh master r4ce."
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Gilgamesh
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Yeah. [radio edit]ing Sundancer.

Anyway, to get the troll topic part out of the way: Darwin's stuff in itself is not racist. An example of this would be a polar bear surviving in the arctic while a black bear dies because the polar bear has extra fat. A black person and a white person could survive the same amount of time in a cold area if they had proper clothing, assuming there were no other factors like illness.

/oversimplfying a point that didn't need clarification, but it was bugging me
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Saturos
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Also because since it's white, Boyd, it blends more easily into its environment, and is able to hunt more effectively. :P
I know slavery also had the side effect of free labour, but you also didn't see white people being used as slaves anywhere near as frequently, unless they were criminals or maybe in the context of the feudal system. Race-based slavery persisted much longer.

Really though, you do sometimes have to wonder about racial evolutionary differences, since I doubt the sole result of evolution was a different skin colour and nothing else. However, even if there is other differences, it doesn't really matter.
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Momentime
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I'd have to say those who say the Chinese were the first racists are correct. Back when they were trading with the Romans and the Arabs they were racist as shit. And even when the Hans and the Mongols started dominating them at various times they were still so damn proud.

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