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Pokemon Tournaments!; In my Temple? More likely than you think,
Topic Started: Sep 26 2010, 11:49 PM (3,996 Views)
Gilgamesh
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solbowz Aurarius

I'm fine any month; my busy time is right now >____>

Within each month I'm not sure, but I should be able to manage to show up considering each battle has a week to take place, so yeah. Anytime's fine for me.
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Jarnakel Magnus
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Nothing to siege here, move along.

I know the whole WTFHUEG debate over the regulations for the casual tourney is mostly over, and I'm not trying to start it up again. I am merely posting my future argument if it DOES. Yes. I can preemptively post my argument. Why? Because it constitutes an instant win.

Instant Win Condition
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Kula Diamond
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atlus tracts

Karen is one of the easiest E4 members to beat, so she shouldn't try to talk about skill :trollface:

Also, i wish that was true so i could use Murkrow and that Gen5 Ice cream without being destroyed badly :V
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lol@regulations for a casual tournament. If you're trying to regulate, you're trying too hard. Especially with no money on the line.

And if you're so worried about the daaaaaaaaaangerous metagame presenting an unfair challenge to the less well-read PokeKradenettes in the casual tournament as it gives the more well-read an unfair advantage, you're creating your own metagame variant where slightly different things are fair or not fair. If you run a tournament, you're inviting competitive play, even if it's only guided by your new rules.

But, really. My biggest point was that there's nothing at risk if we're not actually wagering anything. If there's nothing other than bragging rights on the line, even your competitive tournament is casual. And if you're having a competition, your casual tournament is competitive.
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Nakun


Not to stir up more shit as the saying goes, but now we come into a bumpy section of ruling...
The first tournament is Tournament of the Heart, yes?
We now have a team that is completely unbalanced and will probably take all of the other teams down. It at least has a considerable advantage against the teams already posted.
I've spoiler tagged it so no one who doesn't want to know tiers will have to look at it.

Heart-breaking Team


So, yeah, this is...um, problematic possibly. If no one cares, then no one cares, but I know where the smart money is on this one...
Also, I may go in on the Tournament of the Mind. My vote's for January, most people should be on break and there aren't many big holidays.

Not really agreeing with Alex on this one...Casual and Competitive are not mutually exclusive, but that's another point...
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In the meantime, before three years from now, we should have a league. I'd be happy to organize it.
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HyrulianJedi
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I have a recommendation.

For the Heart tourney, no Pokemon entered shall be EV trained or mass breeded for stats or natures (getting the right ability should be allowed, I think). Also, all Pokemon banned by the Battle Frontier should be banned, because despite what you think, a ragtag team of your favorites WILL have difficulty against a legendary or two. Teams of legends fall apart in competitive battle because they're usually not designed for anything but sheer blitzkreig.

I say this because I think forcing competitive players into the Mind tourny is a bad idea. I used to play a lot of Netbattle a few years ago. Granted, it was for Gen 3, but the experience there carried over a lot into Gen 4, such as what to keep in mind while building a team, selecting moves, in-battle strategies, predicting the opponent, etc. Do I ever plan on making a competitive team in-game? Not a chance (barring a three Poke team for the Battle Tower, but I digress). I don't want to put in that sort of time, which is why I did all my competitive battling on a simulator.

However, I still have my experience, which means I'm familiar with teambuilding and battles. I can reconstruct almost the entire typechart from memory. I know the types and rough estimates of stat rankings (good, bad, meh, ridiculous, etc.) of most Pokemon. This experience is what let me play through HG with an all-Psychic team without grinding, finishing the E4 with my levels betwen 36-39. The same experience is what I hope will carry me through my Nuzlocke run when I start it.

You can make a team of your favorites work together. I don't think anyone has just six favorite Pokemon. I absolutely love Fire-types, but you will never see more than one of them on my team. Why? Because, while I do like playing with Pokemon I like, I do aim to win, even in a casual setting. Even while using Pokemon I like, I still build a team that can battle effectively enough to win. That's sorta the idea of any tourney, casual or competitive.

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Karen is one of the easiest E4 members to beat, so she shouldn't try to talk about skill :trollface:

Quiet you. That Houndoom was infuriating. >=(
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Nakun
Nov 4 2010, 10:28 PM
Heart-breaking Team
Gee thanks ^_^

First of all, an irrelevant point, but that's that I started competitive just before Platinum came out, and I got Diamond (which that team is from) on release date in Australia. So it's just coincidence it's like that ^_^

Number 2 and also irrelevant is that Alakazam is NOT more or less OU. Have you tried Alakazam in OU on Shoddy before? It's my favourite Pokemon, and I admit it doesn't work. And if it does work, Gengar or Starmie should do it's job better. The only time that I ever got Alakazam to actually do an important part was when I used it with Gengar, so that when I get Gengar to die, Alaka can finish everything off, but guess what? Empoleon eventually took the cake. Alakazam is almost impossible to use in OU.

Number 3 is that it's an in game team. Ever tried to stall out the Elite Four to win? Okay maybe my brother beat Red's Pikachu by using Substitute+Potions until PP ran out so that he could fully set up and win below level 50. I usually doesn't work to well, and there's usually little point. Bronzong's only OU because of it's ease to set up Stealth Rock/Trick Room/whatever, and generally tanking. But I'm not gonna, since I'm using it straight from what I did when I got bored of catching the Pokedex a few years ago. Same goes with Lucario- you either Choice Specs or Swords Dance, and the second one doesn't count in early Platinum, and I don't have a Specs for him.

And now that that nerdrage is over-

Yeah, I see your point. The fact remains though, that it still is a team of favourites, but I guess I will remove Dialga the, for... Iunno. But I <3 Garchomp.

EDIT: Whoah, Teal Dear.
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Kula Diamond
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Nov 6 2010, 09:10 AM
Number 2 and also irrelevant is that Alakazam is NOT more or less OU. Have you tried Alakazam in OU on Shoddy before? It's my favourite Pokemon, and I admit it doesn't work. And if it does work, Gengar or Starmie should do it's job better. The only time that I ever got Alakazam to actually do an important part was when I used it with Gengar, so that when I get Gengar to die, Alaka can finish everything off, but guess what? Empoleon eventually took the cake. Alakazam is almost impossible to use in OU.
You would like to know Alakazam gets Magic Guard in Black/White through Dream World.

Seriously.
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Hakurei
Nov 6 2010, 10:24 AM
You would like to know Alakazam gets Magic Guard in Black/White through Dream World.

Seriously.
I thought this tourney doesn't play by B/W and uses gen4 stuff like D/P/Pt and HG/SS.
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Nakun


Tourney is in 4th Gen.

Alakazam is UU just because there are things that do the job better, not because it suffers any major failings in stats or typing (like why Primape's horrible defenses leave it UU)

I understand that these are your favorites, and there are will be people who legitimately like the OU pokes. I would just recommend sprinkling in a few UUs or NUs. Like HJ said, many of us have more than 6 favorite pokemon.
Also, to throw in some metagaming, to counter your team, a team filled with fire/ ice types would do well. Especially those with priority (Weaville, Infernape) Might I suggest a water type you like for your team?
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Kula Diamond
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Nov 6 2010, 11:01 AM
Hakurei
Nov 6 2010, 10:24 AM
You would like to know Alakazam gets Magic Guard in Black/White through Dream World.

Seriously.
I thought this tourney doesn't play by B/W and uses gen4 stuff like D/P/Pt and HG/SS.
Wasn't referring to this tourney. Just giving him some hope for him when he gets a Gen5 game :V
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Obviously EV trained and frontier banned shouldn't be there, that should generally be a given. I'm quite sure no one in heart wants to go against my EV'd Nature'd Moveset'd Gengar.
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I'd probably be a misfit for the Heart Toruney anyway, because I'm so adapted to Metagame play and stuff. On top of this, I actually tend to gravitate towards strong Pokemon in terms of favourites, partly because functionality does play a part in my liking of things. That's not to say I don't like any weaker Pokemon though. =P
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Nov 6 2010, 03:17 PM
I'd probably be a misfit for the Heart Toruney anyway, because I'm so adapted to Metagame play and stuff. On top of this, I actually tend to gravitate towards strong Pokemon in terms of favourites, partly because functionality does play a part in my liking of things. That's not to say I don't like any weaker Pokemon though. =P
I know how you feel. Hell, one of my favorites is Kyogre, arguably one of the most broken pokes ever.
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Hakurei
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Insularity
Nov 6 2010, 09:10 AM
Number 2 and also irrelevant is that Alakazam is NOT more or less OU. Have you tried Alakazam in OU on Shoddy before? It's my favourite Pokemon, and I admit it doesn't work. And if it does work, Gengar or Starmie should do it's job better. The only time that I ever got Alakazam to actually do an important part was when I used it with Gengar, so that when I get Gengar to die, Alaka can finish everything off, but guess what? Empoleon eventually took the cake. Alakazam is almost impossible to use in OU.
You would like to know Alakazam gets Magic Guard in Black/White through Dream World.

Seriously.

Yeah I know, looking forward to it, but still don't see too many uses. LO+Substitute perhaps? Easy to switch into a TOxic or Will-o-Wisp, I guess.

Nakun
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Tourney is in 4th Gen.

Alakazam is UU just because there are things that do the job better, not because it suffers any major failings in stats or typing (like why Primape's horrible defenses leave it UU)

I understand that these are your favorites, and there are will be people who legitimately like the OU pokes. I would just recommend sprinkling in a few UUs or NUs. Like HJ said, many of us have more than 6 favorite pokemon.
Also, to throw in some metagaming, to counter your team, a team filled with fire/ ice types would do well. Especially those with priority (Weaville, Infernape) Might I suggest a water type you like for your team?
And yeah, I see your point, I guess I should do that. My point was, though, that since they were my "favourites", then they should work, but I guess people if you feel strongly about.

Anywho, minor hijack, but what's the interest of a fully competitive tournament run over the simulators? How many would be in?

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Kula Diamond
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Nov 6 2010, 09:54 PM
Anywho, minor hijack, but what's the interest of a fully competitive tournament run over the simulators? How many would be in?

I would probably be in.
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Jarnakel Magnus
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Nothing to siege here, move along.

I personally don't have a problem with Insul's posted team (despite its main weaknesses being types I never use D: ), but if enough of those participating in the Heart Tourney do, I'll ask him to change it. ONLY if a substantial amount of those in the Heart tourney have a problem.

Also, I'd participate in the simulator tourney if I had prior experience and wasn't so busy. D:

And Gwydd needs to GET THE [radio edit] ON MSN SO WE CAN GET THIS THING PLANNED OUT >:U

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I'd be up for a simulator tourney.
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Simulators don't work on my Mac.
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