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| Pokemon Tournaments!; In my Temple? More likely than you think, | |
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| Dreaming Sun | Oct 21 2010, 12:38 AM Post #81 |
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Not if I do it first D: < Seriously though, the only people this will appral to are te competiive people, since setting teams is a pretty big hassle. |
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| Jarnakel Magnus | Oct 21 2010, 12:45 AM Post #82 |
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Nothing to siege here, move along.
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Well, Gwydd needs to get active so questions about competitive stuff can be answered since I have NO CLUE about that sort of stuff. We also need to remedy the rules to make things more clear. And we need to figure out the BEST date to do this. December is apparently a bad choice. *shrug* So you have time. Lots of time. D: |
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| Tange9t | Oct 21 2010, 12:47 AM Post #83 |
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All of the time. Laso do we PM you with our teams when the time comes round or post 'em here? For future reference ofc. |
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| Saelnaha | Oct 21 2010, 12:52 AM Post #84 |
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Let's just wait and see what happens.
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Ohey, just as a side note, I will NOT be using Diamond as previously stated. Instead I'll be using HeartGold. |
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| Jarnakel Magnus | Oct 21 2010, 12:55 AM Post #85 |
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Nothing to siege here, move along.
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teams will be PMed to Gwydd and myself about a day before the tourneys start, so we can include them in the opening posts and such. Assuming this whole thing doesn't fall through. |
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| Nakun | Oct 30 2010, 12:35 AM Post #86 |
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Hey Gaiz, Not to come back and wreck fun, but here are somethings I'm noticing: 1) December is a bad month for tourneys because: NaNo (?), Finals, Dark Dawn, Holiday Shopping / family obligations. However, I understand if you wait too much longer B/W are going to hit American shores, and that is what I'm assuming you want to pre-date. 2) I agree that there should be some way to make a tourney more accessible to non-competitive battlers. That is not what Battle of the Heart does. By not paying attention to the tiers you just let people canned luncheon meat Arceus/ Darkrai/ all kinds of things that are banned. Is it no fun watching your favorite pokemon lose to a pro team? Yes. Is it anymore fun to watch a legendary plow through your favorites? 3) There is a large difference between 4th gen D/P/Pt and 4th Gen HG/SS, most notably, using D/P/Pt you don't have the auto level down feature available, making setting even levels nearly impossible. 4) Your arguments against competitive strategy seem to be, "We don't want to see strategy" and seem to be phrased like, "No baton passing EVAR." This is a little crazy. Are you going to call someone out for, after KOing with a Gyarados and having their opponent switch to Zapdos, switching their Gyarados out to Magnezone (resists the incoming electric attack)? Hippowodan (immune to electric attack)? Lanturn (Volt Absorb heals from electric)? Electivire (gets +1 speed to enable a sweep)? Your lines are subjective entities, not objective facts. You will have many disputes over utilizing synergy and making a team that helps each other by resisting weaknesses and covering a variety of attacking types and employing "unfair" strategy. Your concepts, while good need some cleaning. For persons who want to see other pokemon/ use their favorites more, you might consider a point-buy system, allowing people to purchase pokemon, the idea being that you couldn't buy a team of the OU pokemon, having to make choices like, "Well, I can't afford Gyarados, so I'll go with Feraligator." Or something more hampering like, "I need a fire type but I don't have any points left, looks like I'll have to use Rapidash instead of Infernape." or "I really like using Ampharos for Sub-punch, so I'll not use the TyraniBOAH and use Sub-Punch Ampharos for my Blissey counter. Good Luck! |
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| Deleted User | Oct 30 2010, 05:27 AM Post #87 |
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^ Someone give this man a medal. |
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| Dreaming Sun | Oct 30 2010, 08:40 AM Post #88 |
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Imma say a definite no, IMO, here. 1. Bad idea, and inefficient. I've actually seen someone propose someone similar to this on Smogon once, and it's just... overal a worse idea. It's too confusing for one, to build a team with these unusual rules, the numbers are arbitrary, and made by personal opinion, and that it's just overal inefficient, as someone could put all their eggs in one basket, so to speak, using an Arceus and 5 Magikarps, for example. 2. Unlike on Smogon, there's one really bad point- You're going to have to raise a new Pokemon. "Oh know, my Garchomp has too many points. Looks like I'll have to catch and raise an Altaria just for this Tournament." And that's my only real problem. For 1) all I can say is that NaNo, by definition, it only November, but good point . For 2) and 4), again, we're all friends here. Just don't be a douche and we should be fine. 3) is also a good point |
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| Nakun | Oct 30 2010, 11:38 AM Post #89 |
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@Ravenbolt, thanks, but looks like I have a little work to do to polish up my thoughts too. @Insularity Point Buy doesn't have to be some complex issue like I want Outrage on my Garchomp so that cost me 7 of my 80 points, but I've already used up 75 points, so I guess I'll have to go with Dragon Claw. In fact, it should not be like that at all. I agree, that is a terrible idea you will kill yourselves with math and reviews and junk that doesn't need to come up. Here's a point buy example that seems it may be simpler: Each person gets 10 points. Ubers cost 4 points OU cost 3 points UU cost 1 point NU are free Not Fully Evolved(1st Stage) are free You can change the numbers around if you want (You could go 5/3/2/1/Free for another example), but that's as complex as it has to be. This way you have a general way of measuring strength (Smogon Tiers) and a way to limit people from using an entirely competitive (Smogon) team and force more creativity and pokemon into your tournament. About your point 2, having to catch and raise new pokemon, I thought this was already planned to occur, Thus the ~1 month delay. If the tournament set up wasn't intended to have people have to raise new pokemon, then you ought to consider switching some things around. The current set up with three different brackets, each focusing on entirely different play styles, practically forces people to raise new teams, especially when you don't want to conform to the dominate metagame. Edit:
Wait, what? Definitely not my wording. I don't remember what I said, but...? Edit 2: Oh, canned luncheon meat. canned luncheon meat is canned luncheon meat. I make so much more sense. Not that that was me... Carry on. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 30 2010, 11:40 AM Post #90 |
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See, this is the problem with the rift between competitive and casual players - it's incredibly hard to find a good compromise >_> |
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| Kula Diamond | Oct 30 2010, 04:18 PM Post #91 |
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Why not just do a generic OU metagame tourney? Not like people are forced to use 6 OUs. Hell, there are some UUs that can wreck OU (I [radio edit]ing love Milotic in the current Gen5 meta). |
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| Deleted User | Oct 30 2010, 04:29 PM Post #92 |
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Because most of the players here aren't Metagamers. |
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| Kula Diamond | Oct 30 2010, 05:16 PM Post #93 |
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Standard UU? IDK |
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| Lemubaby | Oct 30 2010, 05:38 PM Post #94 |
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My team is ready. |
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| Jarnakel Magnus | Oct 30 2010, 06:22 PM Post #95 |
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Nothing to siege here, move along.
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Responses bolded. |
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| Dreaming Sun | Oct 30 2010, 07:21 PM Post #96 |
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But there are probably enough people to sort one, actually. Wanna try and organise one, Raven? |
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| Tange9t | Oct 30 2010, 07:42 PM Post #97 |
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This reminds me, I still haven't gotten my last poke for the tourn to final stage yet. Will have to hurry up and work on that. |
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| Kula Diamond | Oct 30 2010, 08:05 PM Post #98 |
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Whirlwind/Roar/whatever else lolololo Also, why not do this in a simulator like Pokemon Lab? |
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| Jarnakel Magnus | Oct 30 2010, 08:32 PM Post #99 |
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Nothing to siege here, move along.
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Because I know nothing about said simulators? Also, do said simulators record battles? If not, then no. We need to be able to see what happened so disputes aren't settled by "my word against yours." |
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| Dreaming Sun | Oct 30 2010, 08:35 PM Post #100 |
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Because non-metagamers don't use those moves typically.
Yes, it saves text logs. |
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