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Poll of the Day #39 - Which religion do you practice?
Topic Started: Sep 3 2010, 12:41 AM (1,848 Views)
Seoulbowz
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Stevebolt
Sep 3 2010, 05:49 PM
MY problem with christianity is that my parents have used it for the last 20+ years as a means to get their kids to do exactly what they want to. "You want to play D&D? Too bad, I think it's Satanic! And if you try to argue, you're breaking the Ten Commandments!"

:argh:
Right, but that's more of an issue with your parents, more than it is Christianity.

People like that are typically a minority with Christianity. (Same goes to Supreme Commander).


ANYWAY, if you couldn't tell from the start of this post I am a Christian.
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Sabre Chance
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Bowse
Sep 3 2010, 05:51 PM
Stevebolt
Sep 3 2010, 05:49 PM
MY problem with christianity is that my parents have used it for the last 20+ years as a means to get their kids to do exactly what they want to. "You want to play D&D? Too bad, I think it's Satanic! And if you try to argue, you're breaking the Ten Commandments!"

:argh:
Right, but that's more of an issue with your parents, more than it is Christianity.

People like that are typically a minority with Christianity. (Same goes to Supreme Commander).


ANYWAY, if you couldn't tell from the start of this post I am a Christian.


Not if you live in the Bible belt, they aren't =) Also, I was raised in concentrated circles of religion and hypocrisy. Not a good mix to have I'm afraid. Luckily my parents aren't like what Ninja Steve describes. =D
Edited by Sabre Chance, Sep 3 2010, 10:46 PM.
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Saelnaha
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Let's just wait and see what happens.

I live in Iowa. Take that as you will.

My parents are merely the most obvious example. Just about every Christian I know that readily identifies themselves as such does remarkably little with their religion besides say "Can't let you do that, Ninja Steve!"
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Adnarel
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I'd rather be outside.

First option, passionately.

I miss Faust. ;_;

Also, Steve, I've noticed that native Iowans are very stuffy and un-fun Christians. It needn't be that way. I spend half my time with native Iowans telling them that Jesus isn't a guy about Rules.
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Vačscent
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They say compared to the rest of the US, we have the greatest influence when it comes to eastern religions and new age spirituality. That's the West Coast for you. Of course, I hear we're also the least religious region.

I think agnostic is the most descriptive of myself. I grew up seeing religion and culture as synonymous.
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Yun
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Adnarel
Sep 3 2010, 11:45 PM
Also, Steve, I've noticed that native Iowans are very stuffy and un-fun Christians. It needn't be that way. I spend half my time with native Iowans telling them that Jesus isn't a guy about Rules.
Jesus is the one who told us to follow the spirit of the law rather than the letter. (Mark 2:23-28) :nodnod:
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Sabre Chance
Sep 3 2010, 10:40 PM
Bowse
Sep 3 2010, 05:51 PM
Stevebolt
Sep 3 2010, 05:49 PM
MY problem with christianity is that my parents have used it for the last 20+ years as a means to get their kids to do exactly what they want to. "You want to play D&D? Too bad, I think it's Satanic! And if you try to argue, you're breaking the Ten Commandments!"

:argh:
Right, but that's more of an issue with your parents, more than it is Christianity.

People like that are typically a minority with Christianity. (Same goes to Supreme Commander).


ANYWAY, if you couldn't tell from the start of this post I am a Christian.


Not if you live in the Bible belt, they aren't =) Also, I was raised in concentrated circles of religion and hypocrisy. Not a good mix to have I'm afraid. Luckily my parents aren't like what Ninja Steve describes. =D
Yes, also this. A lot of Christians around here treat it more like a tradition or duty to their family than a choice. My father actually was raised that way, but both of my parents are still relatively fine with my choice, so that's good at least. =/
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Saelnaha
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Let's just wait and see what happens.

Yun
Sep 4 2010, 12:45 AM
Adnarel
Sep 3 2010, 11:45 PM
Also, Steve, I've noticed that native Iowans are very stuffy and un-fun Christians. It needn't be that way. I spend half my time with native Iowans telling them that Jesus isn't a guy about Rules.
Jesus is the one who told us to follow the spirit of the law rather than the letter. (Mark 2:23-28) :nodnod:
I could point this out, but again, my parents wouldn't hear it. :sad:
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LSunnyC
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Put Agnostic, but if I could get over the single hurtle of having to believe in an intelligent force directing things, even subliminally through nature, I'd totally be Muslim.

Qu'ran gave me chills, yo.
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Saturos
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You should totally be Muslim, Sunny. *nodnod* If it gave you chills, isn't that a sign that you're having a spiritual, soul-reaction to it, presence of the divine within you? (doesn't know the particulars of how it works in Islam, but that's irrelevant, same general ideas).

Anyway, Christian through and through. *nodnod* Not in any particular denomination, since that gets you towards just human interpretation of the same source (Bible), but I was raised Anglican. I've okay with Judaism or Islam though, just different mediums through which the praise ultimately goes to the same God. So I think of the three religions as how people tend to think of differing denominations - goal is the same, methods differ.
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Yes.

To elaborate, I believe in the existence of a higher power. I do not, however, believe that that power actively interferes in the affairs of sentient life, nor that he has a plan (apart from "I'll make it up as I go"). I also believe that people shouldn't be dicks to others, but that's not quite a religious belief.

Put in "other" because I don't know what this'd fall under.
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Saturos
Sep 4 2010, 02:36 PM
You should totally be Muslim, Sunny. *nodnod* If it gave you chills, isn't that a sign that you're having a spiritual, soul-reaction to it, presence of the divine within you? (doesn't know the particulars of how it works in Islam, but that's irrelevant, same general ideas).
If I hadn't been reading them like works of fiction, then possibly. However, since I was reading all three as works of fiction, I laugh at you arrogantly.

But no, honestly it wasn't some "OMG I FEEL DA POWA!" or something like that, it was just a nice reconciliation between the character of God across the three religions via their scripture. It was refreshing to go from the (literary) weak Gospels and Letters back to the hard-line, (in my readings) crystal-clear descriptions and beliefs surrounding the Creator God. The Qu'ran was the ONLY one out of the three, in my readings, that did not impose any restrictions on entering the Kingdom of Heaven beyond "be a good person". Birth and spiritual state of mind have nothing to do with how humans will be judged at the end of this world (versus Jews who are the chosen people and Jesus as the path to absolving sin :facepalm: ) A righteous pagan is actually more likely to get into heaven than a sinful believer, but it still comes down to the eastern theories surrounding Karma.

"No amount down to the grooves in the olive pit will be left uncounted"
"Every atom will be weighed"

I would give citations but I really don't want to go get my Qu'ran and spend three hours looking through it for the various places those two lines are stated.


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Saturos
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Hey, Revelations is great fiction, if you want to read it that way. So is Genesis. Also, John is pretty well themed, being the most concerned with that.
If you look at each one that way, Sunny, chronologically, it's a steadily expanding ring of inclusivity. From Jews -> everyone who believes in Jesus -> everyone, period.
Mind, you still have to be as good of a person as possible in Christianity, it just accepts that no one's perfect. Repentance and changing your ways is the central message, so it boils down to "be a good person." I believe Jesus says somewhere that "Not everyone who calls 'Lord, Lord' shall be saved." And goodness knows there's plenty of people who claim to be Christians but continue to be not-good people. It just basically erases the "point of no return" - you can always start over.

No one can force you to believe, Sunny, so it's perfectly your prerogative to think that way. ^_^ No worries.
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Sabre Chance
Sep 3 2010, 11:09 AM
I hate "Christian" dogma. I hate "Christian" close-mindedness. I hate it when "Christians" go on rallies and strikes and whatnot to proclaim their hate against homosexuals, military men/women, and pro-abortionists.
To be fair, about 95% of the Christians with this viewpoint are the Westboro Baptist Church.

Anyway, I'm a practicing Christian. Officially United Methodist, but really, the difference between the various protestant denominations usually amounts to saying "forgive us our trespasses" instead of "forgive us our sins" in certain prayers.

I also subscribe to certain other beliefs, like the idea Yun mentioned that there may be a little bit of truth in every faith, and Grim's "Don't be a douche" philosophy.
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Artemis
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Yeah, I was going to say that Revelations is my favorite part of the Bible, not because (well, not only because) of the apocalyptic scenario presented in it but because the way it reads out.
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But I was also pointing out the conflict between logic and faith when choosing a religion. Being born or raised into a certain spiritual belief is one thing, I've never heard a small child say "Mommy, I think you're misconstruing the moral teachings of our God.". But for someone who would want to convert you have to look at the entire religion as a whole and ask yourself if you can agree with purposefully aligning yourself with that school of thought.

I know Christians who have a very liberal view on the 'Son of God' part of things and prefer to just follow the moral teachings. And that's fine. But if someone wants to convert and call themselves a Christian now when they weren't before, then it's right there in black and white that you have to accept Jesus Christ the Son of God as your savior. Two muslims can pick apart the idea of accent marks being added x number of years after Muhammad, because they can ultimately reconcil themselves through the ingrained belief that everything in the Qu'ran is infallible from God. Someone hoping to convert has to be just as comfortable with those sorts of faith leaps without the background teachings and 'que sera' outlook on the religion.

Sunny can't do that. <_< If I can't believe in the core aspects of the religion, then I can't officially call myself a member.
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Christianity is not as black and white as you've read it. One of my favorite quotes from Pope Benedict is, "Whoever works for the betterment of his community with a pure heart and keeps alive the desire for the transcendent will be saved even if he lacks biblical faith."

Basically, most of the non-Evangelical branches of Christianity believe that it's possible to accept Jesus into your heart without necessarily recognizing him by name. Catholics call this "Baptism of Desire."

"All who obey his commandments abide in him, and he abides in them." (1 John 3:24)

"Let us love one another, because love is from God; everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, for God is love." (1 John 4:7-8) (Probably my favorite passage. Emphasis added, of course.)
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Basically, what Yun said. >_> Love, after all, is the essential core of Christianity. Well, that and honouring God. Remember~ "honour/worship God, and love thy neighbour (fellow human)." And basically II, the second does the first, and is one of the greatest ways of doing so.
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What's with the anti-semitic poll? No place for Jews?
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