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Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream, Drop, Distance; Also offering as a general KH thread.
Topic Started: Aug 2 2010, 05:46 AM (1,794 Views)
Dreaming Sun
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Surprised there hasn't been a topic yet >_>

Anyway, so I finally have some solid information to make it topic worthy. In case you've been living under an internet rock, Regi(rock) announced a KH game for the 3DS back at E3.

http://kingdomheartsmedia.com/

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# H3D was created after Nintendo approached Tetsuya Nomura. Nomura has a unique idea for this game.
# KH3D will occur in the same timeline as current games.
# The two main characters will be Sora and Riku. Throughout the game, the two appear to be "alternating", creating a system of two people.
# This story is full of mystery, and will be beyond expectations. Due to the timeline, players will have to think hard about the idea, as to not be fooled.
# The player will realise the scenario in time, but for the meanwhile it will be a mystery twist.
# Nomura cannot reveal more information at this time.
# The 3D system will be taken advantage of, but more cannot be said at this time.
# The theme of the game is "trust".


So, we're going to be alternating between Sora and Riku. I haven't played Japanese BBS, so I can't use information from it, and there's likely going to be a cameo with them in it, but they probably won't be the main focus, seeing the timeline. I think it's safe to assume that it won't come after KH2: that's room for KH3. The only place I can think of is during KH1, and what the Organisation was doing... but the rest of the information counters that. Assuming that "trust" is between Sora and Riku... well that does point to the future.

Well, people who understand the convoluted storyline of KH, what do you think?
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Crash
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Wheey! I've became a human being!! I am very handsam!

I love how nobody responded to this, because there literally is nobody who understands KH's shitfest of a plot.
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Adachi is not amused.

Yeah... I haven't played the series that heavily, to be fair, but I really couldn't figure out all the elements of the plot half the time as I was going along. It just seems like they hit it off with the first two or three games, and now they're just churning them out and muddying the waters as fast as they possibly can because it's guaranteed to sell a crapload of copies.

I miss the old Squaresoft and Enix. I can't really trust their work anymore.
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Crash
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Wheey! I've became a human being!! I am very handsam!

Nomura needs to go, honestly.

EDIT: But what's wrong with Enix? Their work seems to be as strong as ever to me.
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Bane Martius Agni
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First of all Crash, screw you.

Second, That's pretty cool stuff. I wish they'd stop dragging their feet and actually bring out KH3. Not that I have a stupid PS3. I also wanna play BBS. But I don't have a stupid PSP.
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Erik the Appreciator
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Crash
Aug 2 2010, 09:19 PM
I love how nobody responded to this, because there literally is nobody who understands KH's shitfest of a plot.
Uh, I do, and I think it's a thoroughly impressive work in all honesty. >_______< It just takes actual dedication to understand and grasp rather than a casual approach like various other game stories.
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Adachi is not amused.

Enix and Squaresoft merged years and years ago as I'm sure you know, and as a result much of the RPG series of both were combined under one banner and... well, they began to decline. Or not so much decline, but you couldn't really go by the strength of the brand. In the SNES era, damn near every Enix and Squaresoft game was at least worth playing for a bit. Nowadays, it's very hit or miss.

Granted, the kingpin Enix franchise of Dragon Quest is still extremely strong and well made even under the combined banner, but the rest... not so sure you can validate their purchase or their existence.
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And Level-5 developed Dragon Quests VIII and IX.
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Delfeir
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Adachi is not amused.

Huh. Well, that only proves my point further.
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Crash
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Wheey! I've became a human being!! I am very handsam!

And thinking about it, I don't think I can name a non-DQ game by Enix for anything past PS1.

Err, no, anything including PS1 and beyond.


And also it's worth noting that none of the DQ main series were developed in-house. The first five were developed by Chunsoft, then the next two were Heartbeat and Artepiazza, and now Level-5.
Edited by Crash, Aug 2 2010, 10:50 PM.
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This topic was kind of directed at Chrono and/or Erik.

And no one has made a serious reply >_>

And, as it said, the reason that KH3 hasn't come out yet, is apparently because half the team is working on FFXIV. and the other half is finishing up BBS.
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This is the first time I've heard about 3D. I was really into the Kingdom Hearts series in the past, though it has managed to get off my mind in recent times. And yes, like Erik, I -do- understand the dynamics of the story. =P
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Erik the Appreciator
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Haha... Well, I think it first needs to be said that it's true that Kingdom Hearts is one of the most, shall I say, "exclusive" franchises around, a main reason for which is that all it's titles are spread across a broad variety of platforms. From PS2 to Game Boy Advance to Nintendo DS to PSP to now 3DS to potentially PS3... Not many people have the resources to play and enjoy every installment, and maybe not all of those who do have all those systems are the types who enjoy studying complex material like this. However, I think I can say that those who do are the ones in the best position to give a constructive opinion on the whole thing, and they're the ones that are most likely to understand what I think I and several others have: that not only are several of these later titles really strong as their own stories and games, but they work really well to explain each other and serve as critical components of an epic among epics.

I'm personally glad I got to play 358/2 Days, for example, which in my opinion manages the intimidating task of both standing on its own as a self-contained story and providing a strong core for plot and character explanation to support the portion of the KH saga that takes place from the end of KH1 to the end of KH2. I almost wonder why the DS game wasn't released before KH2, it really gives some much needed context to KH2, the absence of which is probably part of what started getting people turned off by KH2... >__>

These games are also not exactly cases of games being rushed out just to satisfy some abstract need for a franchise to have lots of games making it up so that it's a "big franchise", unlike what some might allege; if that were the case, I think there would be less time elapsing between each release than what each game *does* get. :/


The only thing I'm frustrated about is that my not owning all consoles around is putting me in the same position as Warden, in not being able to play Birth by Sleep on PSP and probably not a theoretical KH3 on PS3 either. While I'm likely to be able to play this new 3DS game, it if course remains to be seen how that turns out both as a stand-alone title and as a further addition to the greater whole...
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Yeah, the only reason I'll ever be able to play BBS is by borrowing my friend's PSP... and even so, I doubt he'll actually "buy" it >_>
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The Kingdom Hearts series is definitely exclusive. I remember telling a lot of people to play Chain of Memories before KH2 was released and afterwards. It had a lot of character, though many missed out on it due to the platform issue.

Similar story here. I've come to bear the mindset that I can't own all the consoles/games I want, so I opt for the borrowing method. That's what I'm attempting to do with ToS and Wii in the near future. On that note, I have just been reminded that I haven't actually -played- 358/2 Days yet. My patience grew thin a couple of months back and I ended up spoiled myself with a bunch of clips on Youtube, soo... xP
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Yeah, if you don't play one of the games, you'll miss out on a lot. Some things won't make sense, others will seem to come out of nowhere, and even then, those of us that do get all the games are screwed because we can't get final mixes, thus missing out on even more plot development.

The case is pretty much this - either keep up to date, or you're gonna be lost. Anyone who's played KH2 before either KH1 or CoM will understand.
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Jackal
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I didn't play CoM at all, and I get the plot perfectly.
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Yeah, the KH1-KH2 timeskip made CoM skippable... the only thing you miss out is Axel and the rest of the Organisation in Castle Oblivion, and the bit on Twilight Town.
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Well at least you were able to pick it up. I remember my friends at the time didn't understand a thing and kept complaining. I was the only person who'd played CoM, so I had to explain it to them. Idiots.
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Most of the plot can be understood by reading Jiminy's journal, too.

I will say that based on a number of factors I think KH1 was meant to be a stand alone game that took off like a rocket, and so sequels were shoehorned in.

For one thing KH had disney pull out all the stops and get an all star voice cast. Furthermore, the main villain's plot, with no knowledge of KH2 or subsequent games effectively retconning it, is contained entirely within that game. Basically the bits at the end were a sequel hook was made on the chance that the game took off, not the expectation that it would.

Also GODDAMN WHERE IS A TOY STORY WORLD ALREADY!?
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