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Poll of the Day #22 - Thoughts on yaoi?
Topic Started: Jul 25 2010, 10:22 PM (2,570 Views)
Super Slash


:awesomeface:

I have no comment since I'm not familiar with this fad; I just took it from the unused idea list.
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Vačscent
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The Westering Sun

Read Issue 24 of the Temple Monthly News. =3
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Super Slash


I will.

...Eventually.

=P
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Mia
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I'M NOT INNOCENT!

Not a fan.
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Hinoa
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Poui
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Okay, here goes...

I myself have always personally not been able to stand yaoi and similarly shounen-ai (at least the larger majority of it), not because I am anti-gay in any way or to any degree whatsoever, but more rather because I'm NOT anti-gay. In order to prevent to bringing on some exclamations of "you said what now?" accompanied by arched eyebrows in my general direction as a result of that statement, please permit me to explain exactly what I meant by that.

You see it's in fact because I'm so concerned about gay rights, the right for gays, lesbians and bi-sexuals (as well as the transgendered and transvestite) to be treated as equals, as in *exactly* the same as everyone else, that I tend to find myself put off, offended and sometimes outright disgusted by the very unrealistic depictions of gay characters and gay relationships in an overwhelming percentage of yaoi and/or shounen-ai series, fanfic, and doujinshi (especially doujinshi) out there.

The creators and writers behind yaoi manga/anime series (who are more often than not female, and after all yaoi/shounen-ai stories are written, drawn, and aimed predominantly at young girls and women), and especially their fangirls, tend to place more emphasis on the "kawaii, bishounen" factor than anything else of any great relevance or significance that would actually make these characters out to be relatable, believable individuals who just happen to be gay, rather than just, glomping, oft-whiney and [radio edit]y effeminate characatURES of gay/bi-sexual/ and/or cross-dressing men that they are. Fangirls and yaoi artists alike treat these "pretty bois" (<-intentional spelling) like pretty little highly glompable playthings for other equally as pretty boys or sometimes just overly manly and obnoxious men (the exact opposite end of the stereotyping spectrum, still not that better when you really look at it because these "beefy macho jerks" semes are still usually done as charactures all the same), that in reality seem to really serve more as playthings to the squeeing fangirls that adore, sometimes outright worship them. They provide a means of living out the romantic (and) or sexual fantasies of (mostly) teenage fangirls than anything else.

Canon Yaoi series typically consist of plots revolving around the perfect, extra pretty and youthful-looking Marty Stu character: the bishie who's the object of every guy gay or seemingly otherwise in sexual orientation that's around him's undying affection and desires (example: FAKE, everyone seems to want either Ryo or Dee, but mostly shy and virginal Ryo). As well yaoi/shounen-ai series are usually on one extreme or the other in terms of the type of story; being either filled with copious amounts of mostly cutesy (or "kawaii") happy smiling sushiney sugar-coated fluff (like Gravitation, the kind of stuff I personally find positively nauseating) or unbelievable amounts of laughably ridiculous and derivative angst and soap-operatic melodrama (love triangles anyone? Or WildeFyre's FAKE fanfic, for an even better point of reference concerning overloads of angst). Then there's the disturbing amount of stories that feature rape that the manga-ka/fanfic authors try and pass off as "relationships" between characters, whether it's a guy eventually coming to fall in love with his rapist (!!) or the popular and just plain utterly cliched rape/comfort stories out there (that exist mostly in fanfic, but there are canon yaoi series that make use of this formula as well that come to mind). And don't even get me STARTED on the dreaded, disgusting "shota" sub-genre. *deep shudders* I really do NOT want to hear any arguments in its defense or support, they're always all the same and they never excuse the inherent wrongness of depicting pre-pubescent little boys engaged in sex and being seen as objects of sexual gratification and fantasy. I feel exactly the same way about lolicon, I should note.

To be concluded in next entry (damn entry-length limits)...
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Poui
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In conclusion, I feel I have made it clear the many, multi-faceted reasons as to why I don't personally like most yaoi/shounen-ai and find myself constantly annoyed by the fandom surrounding it and its many pretty boy characters. I apologise for the sheer massive length of this explanation/rant but I've been keeping it pent up inside for so long now because of being afraid of how the rabid, overly-senstive fangirls would react and what conclusions they'd likely end up jumping to before they even read past the first sentence. Thank you for having read through all of this, if you have even managed to make it entirely through that is (and I wouldn't blame any of you if you haven't). Let it be known I find it perfectly acceptable if any (or all) of you don't happen to agree with me, you're entitled to your opinions and feelings as much as I am my own.
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Supergeil

lol, Akiko

Also, tl;dr
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b l o n d e b o n d
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Let me tell you something.

Incest.


Now picture this: Family Game Night.

Have fun sleeping tonight. Here's some bedtime music to help you relax.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYb9kSCkjE8
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Dracobolt
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Akiko. I love you. So hard.

That's my thoughts on yaoi. :trollface:

:mercury_djinn: :mercury_djinn: :mercury_djinn:
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Sodate
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DO WHAT YOU WANT!
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I don't have a formulated thought on yaoi I probably should but I don't
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Will
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Anime was a mistake

What's yaoi (mostly serious)?
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The Westering Sun

Marketing corrupts. Interestingly, I had no idea what yaoi was until I came to the Temple.
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Mia
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I'M NOT INNOCENT!

Darkridr
Jul 25 2010, 10:48 PM
What's yaoi (mostly serious)?
Google search it!
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Will
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Anime was a mistake

For some reason, that seems like a bad idea...
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Poui
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Posted Image

(also, there is a trollface hiding somewhere in my tl;dr post. Go look for it :awe: )
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Dracobolt
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I love you even more, Akiko. XD

:mercury_djinn: :mercury_djinn: :mercury_djinn:
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Yaoi is super sugoi kawaii desu desu sama senpai san sensei dono kunnnnnnnnn~~~~~
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Darkridr
Jul 25 2010, 10:48 PM
What's yaoi (mostly serious)?
Yaoi is a slang term an anime or manga that features a homosexual male couple. I believe the term specifically refers to stories containing exlicit sex, while the term shounen-ai is supposed to apply to those containing homosexual males but no explicit sex. They mostly get lumped under the same banner, though. :monocle:

Unless I'm completely wrong.

Anyway. I find it mildly distasteful, primarily because I am a straight male and it thus does not coincide with any of my interests.
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Akiko-chan
Jul 25 2010, 10:59 PM
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(also, there is a trollface hiding somewhere in my tl;dr post. Go look for it :awe: )
>_> I kinda looked that way until I started socializing with other Kradenettes.
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