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Dec 27 2016, 06:16 PM
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Eupho finale tomorrow
Can't wait to see if the ship sinks or sails
or neither
because Japan would rather imagine the possibilities rather than actually make a statement.
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Dec 28 2016, 04:49 PM
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- Dec 27 2016, 06:16 PM
Eupho finale tomorrow
Can't wait to see if the ship sinks or sails
or neither
because Japan would rather imagine the possibilities rather than actually make a statement.
It's about the journey, not the destination.
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Dec 28 2016, 05:44 PM
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well neither thing happened but who cares it git gud
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Dec 29 2016, 01:26 PM
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^ Definitely enjoying Hibiki 2. Just watched eps 6 and 7 with Silvy, and KyoAni really knows how to nail animation, body language, and that kind of subtlety when they want to. Kumiko as viewpoint is also fantastic - she's a good blend of deadpan snark, awkwardness, and curiousity/determination that lets her get into all sorts of messes and explore different angles on a lot of the cast, while being pretty great herself.
Flipflappers final Shades of Penguindrum with that opening scene and a bit of nightmare fuel (albeit confusing stuff) with that stuff. So like... was Papika trapped in pure illusion, and Cocona was able to visit her as a child, and Cocona was able to break her out? And by "turn into an old lady, then a baby, then the same as her," did like Papika live a lifetime in that cage? And like, what was the significance of the beginning, with Papika and baby!Cocona being thrown into pure illusion by Mimi? when did that even happen? I mean, I know this was the moment where Mimi shattered into fragments but... ????? tooooo many unanswered questions/plotholes.
I really like some of the ideas the show is trying to work with, but I think it's really hampered by being a 13-episode show rather than a two season one. It forces them to condense everything into like, a summarized form and run with that, without giving as much attention or nuance into some of the interesting angles. Coupled that with not making efficient usage of their dialogue/writing time (sooo many just repeated lines/concepts, running over the same ideas "I love lovelovelovelove you!" "Only Cocona's mother is good for her!"... I think in dramatizing them as a magical girl show with those kind of action scenes, I think it overlooks some of the more particular ways that parents could be domineering over their children and makes a caricature of it (the alligator/skulls were a bit much).
And the whole unconscious thing ended up being less "repressed emotions" and more just "dark side." I think if evil!Mimi was more sympathetic and showed more human reasoning, it would've felt a lot more meaningful to me. But maybe I'm just expecting too much out of the show.
At least the visuals were pretty great, and I'm glad we shoehorned back in hunk!Uxekull (can never spell that) again - the bell chiming to signal Mimi's rewind time powers was a great touch, and real!Mimi coming up to protect Salt was fantastic. Those two are really the most ship in this show, or at least have the most complex relationship (CocoYaya isn't bad either).
There's stuff that like, feels just really out of place to play for gags at this point: Bu, the thongloli third amorphous child (literally why is she even in the plot), etc.
And like, I was hoping that when Cocona had that climatic conversation with Papika where she said she really didn't want to go on adventures, that she was just going with the flow and being passive, I really really wanted for a moment of self-reflection here on Papika's part, or for Cocona to point out that Papika's reasons for doing so where entirely based on what she herself wanted, irrespective of Cocona's desires, and that she's justified in doing all that because she 'lovelovelovelove' Cocona. And then Cocona just echoes her at that point and says "YEAH I LOVE YOU TOO LET'S GO ON ADVENTURES"
It's like, hold the fuck up. Because 'using your love as a reason for forcing someone to do what you want them to do, irrespective of what they want to do themselves'... isn't that literally why they're fighting Mimi, because that's wrong? The whole show seems totally blind to the contradiction going on here.
All it would've taken to separate Papika and Mimi is for Papika to, at that point, recognize that "Wow, I didn't realize, Cocona. But thank you for telling me, and I'm sorry." Then you could have Cocona be like "It's okay. And it was fun, so thank you for pushing me out of my shell" (ofc not in those exact words, but if you want to get at that idea, they could). I just think it was waaaay too rushed and not self-aware enough to recognize or handle its own themes effectively, and reconcile them with the dialogue.
On the plus side, animation and soundtrack definitely remained pretty great thoroughout, and the moments of minimal dialogue and slow pacing worked best, where it just leaves things up to interpretation without heavy-handedly hammering some message home. I think the show probably could've cut out half of its dialogue, or used it better, and it would've been much better as a result. I mean, there's lots of precedents for action-y, thought-provoking single season anime... I just think, for me, Flipflappers didn't live up to what I hoped it would be/what I thought it was promising.
Still, I'd give it a... 6.5/10? Maybe?
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Jan 7 2017, 02:31 AM
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^ Definitely enjoying Hibiki 2. Just watched eps 6 and 7 with Silvy, and KyoAni really knows how to nail animation, body language, and that kind of subtlety when they want to. Kumiko as viewpoint is also fantastic - she's a good blend of deadpan snark, awkwardness, and curiousity/determination that lets her get into all sorts of messes and explore different angles on a lot of the cast, while being pretty great herself. Flipflappers final Shades of Penguindrum with that opening scene and a bit of nightmare fuel (albeit confusing stuff) with that stuff. So like... was Papika trapped in pure illusion, and Cocona was able to visit her as a child, and Cocona was able to break her out? And by "turn into an old lady, then a baby, then the same as her," did like Papika live a lifetime in that cage? And like, what was the significance of the beginning, with Papika and baby!Cocona being thrown into pure illusion by Mimi? when did that even happen? I mean, I know this was the moment where Mimi shattered into fragments but... ????? tooooo many unanswered questions/plotholes.
I really like some of the ideas the show is trying to work with, but I think it's really hampered by being a 13-episode show rather than a two season one. It forces them to condense everything into like, a summarized form and run with that, without giving as much attention or nuance into some of the interesting angles. Coupled that with not making efficient usage of their dialogue/writing time (sooo many just repeated lines/concepts, running over the same ideas "I love lovelovelovelove you!" "Only Cocona's mother is good for her!"... I think in dramatizing them as a magical girl show with those kind of action scenes, I think it overlooks some of the more particular ways that parents could be domineering over their children and makes a caricature of it (the alligator/skulls were a bit much).
And the whole unconscious thing ended up being less "repressed emotions" and more just "dark side." I think if evil!Mimi was more sympathetic and showed more human reasoning, it would've felt a lot more meaningful to me. But maybe I'm just expecting too much out of the show.
At least the visuals were pretty great, and I'm glad we shoehorned back in hunk!Uxekull (can never spell that) again - the bell chiming to signal Mimi's rewind time powers was a great touch, and real!Mimi coming up to protect Salt was fantastic. Those two are really the most ship in this show, or at least have the most complex relationship (CocoYaya isn't bad either).
There's stuff that like, feels just really out of place to play for gags at this point: Bu, the thongloli third amorphous child (literally why is she even in the plot), etc.
And like, I was hoping that when Cocona had that climatic conversation with Papika where she said she really didn't want to go on adventures, that she was just going with the flow and being passive, I really really wanted for a moment of self-reflection here on Papika's part, or for Cocona to point out that Papika's reasons for doing so where entirely based on what she herself wanted, irrespective of Cocona's desires, and that she's justified in doing all that because she 'lovelovelovelove' Cocona. And then Cocona just echoes her at that point and says "YEAH I LOVE YOU TOO LET'S GO ON ADVENTURES"
It's like, hold the fuck up. Because 'using your love as a reason for forcing someone to do what you want them to do, irrespective of what they want to do themselves'... isn't that literally why they're fighting Mimi, because that's wrong? The whole show seems totally blind to the contradiction going on here.
All it would've taken to separate Papika and Mimi is for Papika to, at that point, recognize that "Wow, I didn't realize, Cocona. But thank you for telling me, and I'm sorry." Then you could have Cocona be like "It's okay. And it was fun, so thank you for pushing me out of my shell" (ofc not in those exact words, but if you want to get at that idea, they could). I just think it was waaaay too rushed and not self-aware enough to recognize or handle its own themes effectively, and reconcile them with the dialogue.
On the plus side, animation and soundtrack definitely remained pretty great thoroughout, and the moments of minimal dialogue and slow pacing worked best, where it just leaves things up to interpretation without heavy-handedly hammering some message home. I think the show probably could've cut out half of its dialogue, or used it better, and it would've been much better as a result. I mean, there's lots of precedents for action-y, thought-provoking single season anime... I just think, for me, Flipflappers didn't live up to what I hoped it would be/what I thought it was promising.
Still, I'd give it a... 6.5/10? Maybe?
I feel like you hit some good points that I didn't really think about. In the end, I guess it was enjoyable and the animation was wonderful, but beyond that it's relatively forgettable for me. In fact, I actually did forget I was watching it just last week, heh.
Moving on to...Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso, since people keep bringing it up to me. Sometime.
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Jan 7 2017, 03:46 AM
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if you need guidance in finding good animes, feel free to look to me, epitome of taste
or ask simple
he's an expert on this subject
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Jan 7 2017, 09:49 AM
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Thanks Poui.
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Recommend me something, senpai.
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Jan 7 2017, 10:25 AM
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Speaking of Simple-approved anime
Hibike! Euphonium 9 This anime has really improved a lot over the first season, and the second season has largely been p great (apart from ep... 4? the resolution of the oboe arc), it's been pretty fantastic. Not only with animation quality per se, which increasingly is kind of a given, but with what they do with that animation.
I think for this show, it's ultimately about human nature, and people's emotions/conflicts - and how they are expressed. The sheer amount of attention KyoAni puts into body language, the movement of limbs, eye motions, and so on adds an amazing layer of subtext to what the characters are saying, their motivations and doubts. It's something animation doesn't always have the budget/ability to do, and even in conventional film, it can be hardly to quickly and rapidly switch to some of the angles used.
The effort on that at least matches the effort they've put into the music, which really also shines here. The scenery while Asuka plays Euph in this ep was so breathtaking, and "sad-but-warm" pretty much sums it up - but I think there's another element of homeliness or the domestic that it conveys, especially given the focus on the cat sleeping, and the lazy twitch of the tail.
The only thing that gets a bit excessive sometimes is Reina's yuribait, given that maybe she's just a very.... intense person. It's at least amusing, but I do wish they'd actually acknowledge it as yuribait? Maybe? Though that might force them to actually focus on it as a plot arc, and I'm not ready for the show to do that yet.
Silvy mentioned that there was something about SoL shows having better second seasons, pointing to Clannad as an example, and I think I can kind of agree with that. A lot of time is spent just laying the basic foundations/establishing character that there often isn't enough time to really explore those things in depth. The character arc approach that both Clannad and this uses (and the Monogatari series, now that I think of it) are, I think, probs the most effective way of really delving into character psychology (though Kumiko is far more perceptive than either of the other two).
I'm actually glad KyoAni isn't doing more Haruhi, because this is better >.>
Samurai Champloo.... ep5? Just finished the ukiyoe artist show. The first ep was really intriguing with the more blatant hiphop influence, completely with tablescratch rewinds, sampling-esque cuts from one scene to another and back-in-time, and 'breakdancing samurai', plus camp value.
Since then, it's been a more traditional shounen, and I do have to remind myself that it's not from the 90s or something - the 'sensitive'/emotional female who pretty much just nags/complains all the time and gets captured as a damsel-in-distress basically every episode so far. She had brief moments of cool with the fireworks bomb in ep 1 (which was also really pretty) and being a yakuza dice-roller later, but generally she hasn't really done anything but be a bundle of negative female stereotypes.
The grorious nippon katana fightscenes are at least pretty good and some of the fight choreography is great (especially when hiphop lu bu is at work). The soundtrack is pretty good, but so far the characters leave a bit much to be desired. Potential was hype af in ep 1, buuuut now it's kinda just a typical shounen now
</simple> I think Simple likes Samurai Champloo, at least?
Rage of Bahamut Started watching this because of its crossovers with Granblue Fantasy, but I actually ended up enjoying it quite a bit! It's basically a lowbrow western fantasy adventure so I wasn't expecting much, and some of the character relations are creepy to say the least (due to age-related reasons, ie. Amira kissing/being tortured), but I was impressed it managed to tell a full story, leave an ending that suggested the stories of the future (except I think poor Rita got slighted, which was a shame), and create a pretty cool world (typical anime remixing of religion aside - the seven archangels serving Zeus, www). I think I appreciated how neatly constructed it was, leaving things open for the reader to discover before confirming them in the show (Lavalley being evil - though I thought he only summoned Martinet, not that he was Martinent. I also liked that the abilities shown in the first ep with bounty-hunting became useful for resolving one of the key conflicts in the final ep. Azazel is a big tsundere But yeah, the show wasn't particularly deep, but I definitely appreciate its pacing, attention to character arcs in the cast, and the fight choreography was great. Favaro as a rogue bounty hunter (Han Solo????) was an interesting take on a protagonist, and seeing him do despicable things made it a bit more interesting, since he was always a bit of a wildcard in terms of what actions he would do. I hated the OP at first but it really grew on me, www And now, my shitposty Skype reactions the moment I finished it: - Quote:
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Finished Rage of Bahamut, btw
Overall notbad/10, some lol moments but also some Good Shit
the duck is amazing
Lucifer is still hasubando
Jeanne is best girl [but Rita is good too]
Favaro looks way better with wet hair/no fro even if he's macking on five-year-olds
swordfight in the last ep was hype af
Baha is so strong as to defy [good] animation
hunter x hunter My roommate loves this show, and since I can see the living room TV from my laptop, it's p easy for me to watch along. Just returned to Whale Island. It's p episodic af, but I mean, pre-internet I think that was almost a necessity in a lot of shows. If it was airing with plot content every week and you missed an ep, you'd probably be boned, www. When I think about it that way, a lot of the old episodic approach (with plot mostly centred in season finales), makes sense >_> I do like how many of the conflicts/fights are solved through smarts/wits instead of powerlevels. It's like the Joseph arc of Jojo's except better - except Jojo's asspulls are replaced by 11th hour nen suddenly becoming relevant to literally anything. I didn't expect much from the show and my standards are really low, so obligatory tournament arcs or training montages I just lol at and move on. I mean, it is a kids' show at least. Hisoka is amazingly creepy and pedobear af, it's like why but at least the viewers get lots of Hisoka manservice literally could not believe this actually happened
The soundtrack is also p great but seriously
look at that[/spoiler]
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Jan 7 2017, 12:06 PM
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[schwing]
Yes Satty I do like Samurai Champloo just not as much as Cowboy Bebop and Space Dandy
Also do not watch Kimiuso if you're anywhere close to proficient in classical music. You'll only be angry at how manufactured the performances are. Just watch Nodame Cantabile if you want a good anime/live action drama about classical music)
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Jan 7 2017, 12:10 PM
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- simplechild
- http://forum.templeofkraden.com/single/?p=10011031&t=7205917
Also do not watch Kimiuso if you're anywhere close to proficient in classical music. You'll only be angry at how manufactured the performances are. Just watch Nodame Cantabile if you want a good anime/live action drama about classical music)
I'm amateur as shit so I probably won't notice/won't care. But I'll keep the rec in mind, regardless
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if you need guidance in finding good animes, feel free to look to me, epitome of taste
Jojo's sucks ass
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Jan 7 2017, 01:01 PM
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peytral pls
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- Gilgamesh
- Jan 7 2017, 03:46 AM
if you need guidance in finding good animes, feel free to look to me, epitome of taste
lmao
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Jan 7 2017, 05:52 PM
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I'm not the one who likes Re:zero
also if you like episodic shonen like Super, Ulta, watch Jojo
It ran in Shonen Jump at the same time as Dragon Ball, after all
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- Jan 7 2017, 12:10 PM
Jojo's sucks ass
:~)
At least Jojo isn't sell out pandering crap like Madoka :^)
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Jan 7 2017, 06:16 PM
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- Gilgamesh
- Jan 7 2017, 05:52 PM
I'm not the one who likes Re:zero
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Jan 7 2017, 07:39 PM
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Watched two more eps of Hibike Euph with Silvy. Kimiko's VA absolutely killing it during that exchange with Asuka. chotto もらい泣き
Also picked up a new show I absolutely love so far
Mononoke ep 1+2 Shaft or Inu must've seen this show, because it basically seems like a show that super influenced their art style/the whole idea of witches' labyrinths. I'm not sure how influential this show is, but I'm really impressed by the structuring, symbolism, storytelling, and general animation.
It shares a writer with Serial Experiments Lain, and I can definitely see a lot of that similarity as well. It also reminds me a lot of Mushishi, albeit with a bit more original/traditional artstyle - I also think having two episodes per arc instead of one really allows things to be drawn out and fully investigated. I also think it really benefits from its premise - the kitsune-esque 'medicine man's' requirements for using the sword basically ensure that things are going to be well-explored.
uuuugh so much layering-over of time, projection into experiences of the past, 'plot twists,' and sympathy with both the monsters and the heroine
And man, that was really kind of horrifying and visceral, without directly showing anything 'bad' directly. But holy shit the power of inference, damn
how did I not know such a mebait show existed
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Jan 7 2017, 08:08 PM
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peytral pls
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- Gilgamesh
- Jan 7 2017, 05:52 PM
I'm not the one who likes Re:zero
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Jan 7 2017, 08:22 PM
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I don't "like" most of those
Also I only watched the specials because Satty said they were funny
Should've known he was just tricking me into pedobait
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Jan 7 2017, 08:25 PM
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- Gilgamesh
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I'm not the one who likes Re:zero also if you like episodic shonen like Super, Ulta, watch Jojo It ran in Shonen Jump at the same time as Dragon Ball, after all
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- Jan 7 2017, 12:10 PM
Jojo's sucks ass
:~)
At least Jojo isn't sell out pandering crap like Madoka :^)
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Jan 7 2017, 08:37 PM
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Rebellion is a meme around here Gnarly, didn't you know?
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Jan 7 2017, 09:38 PM
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- Jan 7 2017, 07:39 PM
Watched two more eps of Hibike Euph with Silvy. Kimiko's VA absolutely killing it during that exchange with Asuka. chotto もらい泣き Also picked up a new show I absolutely love so far Mononoke ep 1+2 Shaft or Inu must've seen this show, because it basically seems like a show that super influenced their art style/the whole idea of witches' labyrinths. I'm not sure how influential this show is, but I'm really impressed by the structuring, symbolism, storytelling, and general animation.
It shares a writer with Serial Experiments Lain, and I can definitely see a lot of that similarity as well. It also reminds me a lot of Mushishi, albeit with a bit more original/traditional artstyle - I also think having two episodes per arc instead of one really allows things to be drawn out and fully investigated. I also think it really benefits from its premise - the kitsune-esque 'medicine man's' requirements for using the sword basically ensure that things are going to be well-explored.
uuuugh so much layering-over of time, projection into experiences of the past, 'plot twists,' and sympathy with both the monsters and the heroine
And man, that was really kind of horrifying and visceral, without directly showing anything 'bad' directly. But holy shit the power of inference, damn
how did I not know such a mebait show existed
It's *Kumiko, you brassless swine
Also, you have reminded me that I do need to keep watching Mononoke.
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Jan 8 2017, 04:00 AM
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Thanks Poui.
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I've been meaning to get into Jojo's at some point, even if it is monolithic at this point
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