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The Anime/Manga Thread
Topic Started: May 8 2010, 06:21 PM (373,575 Views)
Momentime
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uh oh

V A P O R M O V E M E N T
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Saturos
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sekkou boys is gr8

also just finished ep 12 of Shinsekai Yori, how are they so consistently good
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Around this point is where complaints started to arise about where the hell Shinsekai Yori was going with itself. Adding to that was a general dissatisfaction towards the cast's development (lack thereof, in this case) since y'know all the good anime have to have likeable and standout personalities with all their main characters because easily relatable characters are objective measures of worth or so help me. Spending three episodes in a row with the queerats served well to thin out the crowd while it was airing, but the rest of part 2, up to episode 16, is what really tested people's patience.

I ended up fine. In fact, a good number of people ended up fine. That's why it's so revered even in shitholes like r/anime. But these are the kinds of things I would hear every now and then with detractors as the show aired.
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shinsekai yori ep 12
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Only four episodes left of Steins;Gate. Shit's getting sad yo. This anime got that feeling that the end won't be happy. It will be some tragic melancholic ending and I'll be sad and I don't want that but I can't stop watching.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKCBWRU59zk[/youtube]

Edit: Done with it now, including the ova. It was happy and sweet after all.

I liked it a lot. I do recommend it.

So what to watch now....
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Shinsekai Yori up to ep 15


Also finished watching Beck: Mongolian Chop Squad with a friend of mine that has watched it like 5 times at this point. I really enjoyed it, especially the last few episodes. Outside of those few episodes it has some pacing issues but I liked the laid back atmosphere it has, the way the characters interact felt really natural and Koyuki's development was great. I really like the attention to detail it shows with him learning guitar and singing, you can hear more subtle things like his phrasing improving over the course of the series. It's cool how the only time you hear any music in series is if someone is listening to or playing music, so there isn't any BGM behind a lot of the conversations characters have, it places a lot more emphasis on the music this way, since it's not always there and when it is, it's the focus of attention.

I do find they went out of their way to show the fact that Koyuki gets bullied early in series and the inclusion of a few Environmental messages felt rather shoehorned in even if I appreciate the effort. Would've been cool to see a bit more focus on some of the other characters in the series but it was still satisfactory.

I've never had an anime make me feel like I actually miss high school like this one did though, how horrifying. Its depiction of high school life feels alot more familiar to me than most anime, even if a strangely large amount of students play guitar and none of them even play wonderwall.
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Watching the ufotable fate/stay night right now and I realized I have a huge issue with the character design and english voice acting.

Why doesn't Saber have a British RP accent? Why doesn't Lancer have an Irish accent? What's with the blue jumpsuit? I don't know much about Celt mythology but I'm pretty sure they did not use blue jumpsuits for armor. The [radio edit] is with Rider and Caster's entire character design? Why does Caster look like an elf when she's supposed to be greek? Hell why don't they both have dark, curly hair? Obviously not all greeks have dark curly hair but a hell of a lot of them do.

Actually it's anime so I shouldn't give two shits about the hair color but still. I get that it's supposed to be this whole fantasy thing but having that contrasted with Berserker's much more accurate (or maybe much less inaccurate) appearance is like wtf
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They don't have accents because whenever accents are in dubs people complain that they suck anyway.

Also the Grail lets them speak perfectly whatever language they need so they wouldn't have an accent anyway, and they're so old they wouldn't have modern accents either way.

Everything else is just ANIME like you said. 99% of Japanese have black hair but anime sure doesn't reflect that. Also Lancer's outfit might be a nod to how Celts painted themselves blue and fought nude though.

This is literally the tip of the [radio edit]ing ice berg with this franchise and inaccuracies though l o l
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That's some [radio edit]ing stupid handwave if it's true. Grail makes everything the way I want it to guys derpderp. Though I disagree on the accent, so far (ep 8) literally none of the servants show any character traits (other than berserker's outfit) that would tell me yeah this one was that person/legend irl. Yes, even Saber. Oh yeah except fake assassin because n i p p o n s t e e l s a m u r a i
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yeah, Saber is very much more King Arthur in F/Z, and there's like nothing in this part of F/SN that shows it
Caster I can see where they're coming from, though

I don't know enough about Lancer's myth to know though

That's a good point for F/Z though, all the characters' myths are pretty integral to their character in a way that isn't really the case in F/SN, a few excepting
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solbowz Aurarius

The language handwave is so that the heroes that speak Old English or Gaelic or ancient Greek can understand and communicate with the modern Japanese people that summon them. It's not like the original Japanese had accents, so the language handwave is more a story thing than anything else.

You got farther in this anime than I did though so can't tell you about their characterization. Lancer is based on a guy that liked fighting and he does that much at least. He also hates betrayal because his legend has lots of stuff about loyalty and that comes up later on too.
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I've been catching up some with Seraph of the End. Season 2 did indeed become better than season 1.
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Idk, for me personally, having accents makes it much more plausible to me that yes, this servant was that character irl, and I think that's pretty much the only reason why Berserker's design is much more true to Hercules than anyone else's. How could you tell who he was otherwise? Man it's really getting in the way of my enjoyment. Yeah I get that they're just adapting the VN (never read it) so I'll just chalk it up to the original guys just being ultra lazy, or too caught up in their own world.

That aside, it also seems to me that the whole accent thing just isn't as, I guess, important to a work in Japan as it is in the West. Or at least here in America. If you have a show set in like Chicago and everyone speaks with a NYC or southern accent that shit would get laughed off the air in a heartbeat. Idk about Japanese accents but if you're doing a dub then I think you should pay attention to details like that.

Also saber's armored dress is the craziest shit. How did she even not lose to assassin in that shit l m a o
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solbowz Aurarius

Japanese people just plain can't do western accents, but I'm pretty sure they don't like, bother with, say, Chinese accents either so yeah they pretty much just don't care other than their own regional things like Kansai dialect.

Dubs are controversial enough without getting into accents so some things do, some don't. The Jojo dub has accents, you can try that if you want.

As far as Fate goes in general though the creators do a lot of "we think this is cool so that's how it is" and that's probably behind some things like Caster looking like an elf.
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Yeah I know that's how it is, I just don't like it.

And honestly dude with fate I'm just kind of like yeah ok, I mean [radio edit]in gilgy is gilgy of all things so [radio edit] it, just roll with it.
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Considering a lot of Western movies portraying the West have like, Chinese people playing Japanese characters and shit, I think it's fair to expect an anime wouldn't bother with specific accents, and instead just go for the best talent they could find. It would certainly help immersion, but yeah...

Also, Berserker looks accurate? With that dark-ass skin and the elbow blades? >_>
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solbowz Aurarius

Certainly more so than Saber and her vagina.
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Yeah exactly dude. I did say it was much less inaccurate.
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Feb 5 2016, 06:55 PM
Considering a lot of Western movies portraying the West have like, Chinese people playing Japanese characters and shit, I think it's fair to expect an anime wouldn't bother with specific accents, and instead just go for the best talent they could find. It would certainly help immersion, but yeah...

Also, Berserker looks accurate? With that dark-ass skin and the elbow blades? >_>
and considering the rather small pool of well-regarded dub actors they have to work with, it makes sense that they wouldn't go out of their way. At the end of the day having familiar voices like Crispin Freeman or whoever is in the English dub for UBW is probably more appealing to the general fanbase than "oh hey we got some British girl and an Irish guy in the voice cast." Even if Saber having an accent would probably increase her moe factor.

As far as Japanese people themselves go, they probably don't give a shit about different accents because they don't notice the differences between a native English speaker and someone who has a different mother tongue speaking English anyways. When you think of it, a lot of North Americans can't tell the difference between different languages, let alone accents in another language so it shouldn't be too surprising.

I personally don't think it makes too much of a difference in the immersion, lots of stuff in settings that cover multiple countries or races, especially in the case of fantasy/sci fi limit the use of other languages and accents to simplify things, I just think of it as the same deal as that.
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also shads

it's set in japan, why is everyone speaking english

why doesn't shirou talk with a japanese accent
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