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The Anime/Manga Thread
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Peytral	Jan 20 2015, 09:26 PM Post #9041
peytral pls Posts: 15,452 Group: Sol Clan Member #459 Joined: March 18, 2009 Gender: Miserable pile of secrets Blog: Ab Animo Pario Country: #0# True Name: Peytral Aznable	Saturos Jan 20 2015, 09:20 PM It being a travesty and being mostly for children isn't the same thing. You can have good kids' shows, especially kids' shows that have long-form narratives. Not to toot the ol' Canadian horn or anything, but stuff like Beast Wars and Reboot are good examples of mixing episodic while still having a long-form plot and good concepts. They're still for children, but they don't talk down to them. And yeah, tons of anime is for children. But not all of it. It was mostly the way you worded it that caused confusion for me, then. Since it sounded like the two phrases were related. It's not like you have to tell me of all people that children's shows can be good.



Seoulbowz	Jan 20 2015, 09:27 PM Post #9042
Supergeil Posts: 19,233 Group: Sol Clan Member #54 Joined: May 28, 2006 Blog: Edeka Country: #79# True Name: Friedrich Liechtenstein Theme Song: https://youtu.be/jxVcgDMBU94	Gilgamesh Jan 20 2015, 09:22 PM Yes that's what we need, more shows like MLP for creepy cults to form around puella magi madoka magica



Gilgamesh	Jan 20 2015, 09:28 PM Post #9043
solbowz Aurarius Posts: 33,599 Group: Venus Clan Member #380 Joined: October 3, 2008 Gender: King of Heroes Blog: Shattered Symbosis Country: #226# True Name: Space Boyd Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h6lFNXzC1g	I wasn't saying anime wasn't sunk too, but neither anime nor western animation needs more things like that.



Peytral	Jan 20 2015, 09:29 PM Post #9044
peytral pls Posts: 15,452 Group: Sol Clan Member #459 Joined: March 18, 2009 Gender: Miserable pile of secrets Blog: Ab Animo Pario Country: #0# True Name: Peytral Aznable	He assumedly meant in terms of quality rather than obsessiveness of fanbase.



Silvy	Jan 20 2015, 09:33 PM Post #9045
idolswag4lyfe Posts: 4,760 Group: Venus Clan Member #210 Joined: July 3, 2007 Gender: Hollow Country: #238# True Name: Silvy Theme Song: https://youtu.be/AIG4mhLcplo	Yeah, unfortunately Western animation doesn't really have much to offer for more serious stuff aimed at teens and adults as far as I'm aware. There's some great stuff that's more comedy such as Archer but there seems to be a whole thing about "adults shouldn't be watching cartoons" preventing more serious animated series from being produced. Animation not being grounded in real-life lends itself really well to fantasy so it would be cool to see Western animation explore the genre more through original works or maybe adapting some of the classics(that aren't LotR ofc).



Gilgamesh	Jan 20 2015, 09:34 PM Post #9046
solbowz Aurarius Posts: 33,599 Group: Venus Clan Member #380 Joined: October 3, 2008 Gender: King of Heroes Blog: Shattered Symbosis Country: #226# True Name: Space Boyd Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h6lFNXzC1g	Western animation is mostly comedy and the like because execs think that's what sells for kids, and, well, it does.



Peytral	Jan 20 2015, 09:38 PM Post #9047
peytral pls Posts: 15,452 Group: Sol Clan Member #459 Joined: March 18, 2009 Gender: Miserable pile of secrets Blog: Ab Animo Pario Country: #0# True Name: Peytral Aznable	Not to mention most attempts at more serious shows bombed and were quickly canned. Western television isn't as kind toward trying new things in general as Japanese television is, from what I can tell. Instead of having a crapton of short shows there's more of an emphasis on keeping shows running for as long as possible.



Gilgamesh	Jan 20 2015, 09:40 PM Post #9048
solbowz Aurarius Posts: 33,599 Group: Venus Clan Member #380 Joined: October 3, 2008 Gender: King of Heroes Blog: Shattered Symbosis Country: #226# True Name: Space Boyd Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h6lFNXzC1g	Yeah there's that too. One of the reasons Robotech ended up as what it was due to some kind of rule that you needed ~60 episodes for a show to air, so they had to splice the three shows together into it. I mean, that's an anime, but you see the point about wanting long running shows.



Peytral	Jan 20 2015, 09:44 PM Post #9049
peytral pls Posts: 15,452 Group: Sol Clan Member #459 Joined: March 18, 2009 Gender: Miserable pile of secrets Blog: Ab Animo Pario Country: #0# True Name: Peytral Aznable	Voltron was the same way, yeah. Of course, that was a long time ago, but the goal still seems to be roughly the same nowadays.



Saturos	Jan 20 2015, 11:55 PM Post #9050
heart-under-blade Posts: 36,354 Group: Iris Member #2 Joined: March 20, 2005 Gender: Male Country: #0# True Name: Saturos Theme Song: https://youtu.be/mh5vyvMGhqE	Western animation in the last five years? Uuuuh.... for feature movies, the Lego Movie, the Princess and the Frog, Brave, and Epic. As far as animated tv shows, basically nothing, alas. Though if there are major ones beyond Avatar/Korra and Archer, I don't know them. So maybe it's not so much it's not getting made as it's not getting publicity/industry support? That does seem a bit more likely...



Dracobolt	Jan 21 2015, 12:14 AM Post #9051
Incorrigible Posts: 72,032 Group: Kid Squid Member #25 Joined: September 11, 2005 Gender: Female Blog: Creative Contemplation and Random Rumination Country: #226# True Name: Braco the Magnificent Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMhvS8oGXQU	Saturos Jan 20 2015, 11:55 PM Western animation in the last five years? Uuuuh.... for feature movies, the Lego Movie, the Princess and the Frog, Brave, and Epic. As far as animated tv shows, basically nothing, alas. Though if there are major ones beyond Avatar/Korra and Archer, I don't know them. So maybe it's not so much it's not getting made as it's not getting publicity/industry support? That does seem a bit more likely... Steven Universe, Gravity Falls, My Little Pony, Bravest Warriors, Adventure Time, Bee and Puppycat, Legend of Korra, Star vs the Forces of Evil... Just some of the ones that I've seen pass my Tumblr dashboard. I think it really is more of a lack of support. And they do tend to have comedic slants on the whole, though it's usually smarter comedy and there's a fair likelihood of dramatic episodes too. So I think, yeah, marketing demands/perception of audience and what it wants are the issues. But animation is getting smarter and making a sloooow crawl to not be entirely kids-oriented. (Disclaimer: I've not watched all of the examples, just heard of some of them.)



Saturos	Jan 21 2015, 12:58 AM Post #9052
heart-under-blade Posts: 36,354 Group: Iris Member #2 Joined: March 20, 2005 Gender: Male Country: #0# True Name: Saturos Theme Song: https://youtu.be/mh5vyvMGhqE	Oh yeah, I've seen Bee and Puppycat (isn't that just a handful of episodes so far?), and I can't believe I forgot about Adventure Time. Never heard of Steven Universe, Bravest Warriors, or the Star one, though... Star appears to be a new Disney series (as in, just started airing on the 18th), so I'm not sure if I can talk about that too much. Oh, I had heard of Bravest Warriors, since it's the Adventure Time creator. And... Adna? had catbug as his avatar for a while. My impression is still that compared to the Japanese animation industry, western animation has a lot of catching up to do both in style and in scope/narrative. Not saying that it should emulate the anime industry, but just have more substance. It would be refreshing to see a serious treatment in animation as well as plot, instead of "Oh, it looks like a kid's show, but really it has more adult themes." Nothing's wrong with that animation style and I think Adventure Time makes good use of it (for example), but again, a bit of variety'd be nice.



Gilgamesh	Jan 21 2015, 01:09 AM Post #9053
solbowz Aurarius Posts: 33,599 Group: Venus Clan Member #380 Joined: October 3, 2008 Gender: King of Heroes Blog: Shattered Symbosis Country: #226# True Name: Space Boyd Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h6lFNXzC1g	Well, like Peytral said, stuff like that doesn't sell Or if it does, they don't want it to I can't remember names, but I've heard of at least one cartoon being cancelled before because it wasn't kids that were watching it, it was young adults instead.



HyrulianJedi	Jan 21 2015, 01:45 AM Post #9054
uguu~ Posts: 7,500 Group: Clanless Member #116 Joined: November 2, 2006 Gender: Girl Blog: I Hate Blogs Country: #0#	And then there are the cartoons that get canceled because they really weren't for their mentioned target audience. Like Invader Zim.



Peytral	Jan 21 2015, 02:03 AM Post #9055
peytral pls Posts: 15,452 Group: Sol Clan Member #459 Joined: March 18, 2009 Gender: Miserable pile of secrets Blog: Ab Animo Pario Country: #0# True Name: Peytral Aznable	Reminder that there's actually a decent chunk of western cartoons that try to "emulate" anime to an extent, which probably fall into what you're looking for. Buuuuut they tend to not do very well, yeah, outside of a few exceptions.



Admiral Miral	Jan 21 2015, 02:08 AM Post #9056
The Light of Hope Posts: 3,126 Group: Venus Clan Member #636 Joined: June 15, 2010 Gender: Wafu! Country: #226# True Name: Miral	French cartoons are way better than American and Canadian ones.



Saturos	Jan 21 2015, 02:12 AM Post #9057
heart-under-blade Posts: 36,354 Group: Iris Member #2 Joined: March 20, 2005 Gender: Male Country: #0# True Name: Saturos Theme Song: https://youtu.be/mh5vyvMGhqE	Yeah, France has a pretty established animation tradition. Canada used to have a pretty respected tradition as well, but not so much these days ;~;



King in the North	Jan 21 2015, 05:10 AM Post #9058
Posts: 2,642 Group: Mars Clan (wololo!) Member #1,237 Joined: September 17, 2014 True Name: Kitten	Swedish animation? [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wp9iNINHMc[/youtube] Oh and SVT = Sveriges Television, Sweden's Television. All official and shit. Get on our level you filthy casuals



Dracobolt	Jan 21 2015, 04:22 PM Post #9059
Incorrigible Posts: 72,032 Group: Kid Squid Member #25 Joined: September 11, 2005 Gender: Female Blog: Creative Contemplation and Random Rumination Country: #226# True Name: Braco the Magnificent Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMhvS8oGXQU	Boueibu continues to be the true AotS.



Slimegunk	Jan 21 2015, 08:38 PM Post #9060
My servants never die Posts: 2,890 Group: Merc-Yuri Clan Member #1,147 Joined: November 25, 2013 Country: #0# True Name: Slimegunk	I enjoyed Code Lyoko (I think that was French?) not sure if I'd count Bravest Warriors or Bee and Puppycat though since those are youtube exclusives as far as I know (though I do love them both and think they should continue)

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