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The Anime/Manga Thread
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Peytral	Feb 12 2014, 06:31 PM Post #6821
peytral pls Posts: 15,452 Group: Sol Clan Member #459 Joined: March 18, 2009 Gender: Miserable pile of secrets Blog: Ab Animo Pario Country: #0# True Name: Peytral Aznable	Make sure you don't pull a solbowz and end up not watching End of Evangelion.



Silvy	Feb 12 2014, 06:48 PM Post #6822
idolswag4lyfe Posts: 4,760 Group: Venus Clan Member #210 Joined: July 3, 2007 Gender: Hollow Country: #238# True Name: Silvy Theme Song: https://youtu.be/AIG4mhLcplo	Super Slash Feb 12 2014, 06:19 PM Miral Feb 12 2014, 01:35 PM He likes FMA, Kenshin, and TTGL. I don't see why he wouldn't find SAO watchable. Those shows aren't as flawed as SAO. It's just Miral being Miral, she hates everything that's popular unless it's popular amongst pre-teen girls too. Quote: It's pretty awful. I've seen worse, at least I was able to get through Evangelion in the first place. I really just didn't like the episodic approach because it really restricted any hopes of solid character development and story telling. The symbolism just got painful to watch too because it barely serves any purpose in the show and is shoe-horned in at every single turn. First scene of the End of Evangelion ruined any chance of me taking the rest of the movie seriously, oh god Shinji why?



Peytral	Feb 12 2014, 06:52 PM Post #6823
peytral pls Posts: 15,452 Group: Sol Clan Member #459 Joined: March 18, 2009 Gender: Miserable pile of secrets Blog: Ab Animo Pario Country: #0# True Name: Peytral Aznable	No, bad writing is what restricted any hopes of solid character development and storytelling. The episodic nature had nothing to do with it. also >Eva >character development



HyrulianJedi	Feb 12 2014, 06:52 PM Post #6824
uguu~ Posts: 7,500 Group: Clanless Member #116 Joined: November 2, 2006 Gender: Girl Blog: I Hate Blogs Country: #0#	Yeah, a lot of my complaints tie into the ending, since while I don't necessarily think a bad ending always ruins a good story, a bad ending that doesn't deliver any of what the story promised does, particularly when my primary interest in the answering of questions. I can elaborate more when you're done.



Asphodel	Feb 12 2014, 07:05 PM Post #6825
Electric Indigo Posts: 2,499 Group: Jupiter Clan Member #1,105 Joined: May 19, 2013 Country: #0# Blog: Exposures Theme Song: https://goo.gl/qT7zQS	Yeah, I'm probably going to start watching Evangelion myself soon. That and Gurren Lagann, if only to understand the ceaseless comparisons people tend to make between it and Kill la Kill. In fact I might have to start watching all of the anime in the world, because my resume in this field is [radio edit]ing paltry. Peytral bad writing Not a knock against your comment or anything, but this reminds me that I still can't identify bad writing unless it's pointed out to me. I'm also completely illiterate in regards to good/bad pacing.



Silvy	Feb 12 2014, 07:13 PM Post #6826
idolswag4lyfe Posts: 4,760 Group: Venus Clan Member #210 Joined: July 3, 2007 Gender: Hollow Country: #238# True Name: Silvy Theme Song: https://youtu.be/AIG4mhLcplo	Peytral Feb 12 2014, 06:52 PM No, bad writing is what restricted any hopes of solid character development and storytelling. The episodic nature had nothing to do with it. also >Eva >character development Well it seems like the story could've had more direction if it wasn't restricted to the monster of the week formula it was doing, then again you could just call that bad writing after all cause a good writer would work their way around that >.> Also pls, if a show presents some extremely flawed main character(s) then I expect some development from them and Evangelion didn't really deliver. According to some fans, his lack of development is the point but I don't see the appeal personally.



Peytral	Feb 12 2014, 07:18 PM Post #6827
peytral pls Posts: 15,452 Group: Sol Clan Member #459 Joined: March 18, 2009 Gender: Miserable pile of secrets Blog: Ab Animo Pario Country: #0# True Name: Peytral Aznable	Exactly. The episodic nature DEFINITELY had nothing to do with character development, since MotW stuff in no way inhibits character development. Hence: >Eva >character development



Silvy	Feb 12 2014, 07:28 PM Post #6828
idolswag4lyfe Posts: 4,760 Group: Venus Clan Member #210 Joined: July 3, 2007 Gender: Hollow Country: #238# True Name: Silvy Theme Song: https://youtu.be/AIG4mhLcplo	Peytral Feb 12 2014, 07:18 PM Exactly. The episodic nature DEFINITELY had nothing to do with character development, since MotW stuff in no way inhibits character development. Hence: >Eva >character development Well the idea of "MotW" doesn't necessarily inhibit character development but having an episodic approach can lead to very little character development. If someone writes a series with the intention of it being something that the viewer can miss an episode or 2 of and still jump in after, then that can definitely have a negative effect on building solid characters because they'll avoid having any major changes in them. It can be pulled off with other series but in Evas case it seems like they weren't too sure whether they wanted to be full out episodic or serial. It's like they wrote it as an episodic MotW series and shoe-horned in some overarching plot with 2deep4u symbolism in it.



Peytral	Feb 12 2014, 07:32 PM Post #6829
peytral pls Posts: 15,452 Group: Sol Clan Member #459 Joined: March 18, 2009 Gender: Miserable pile of secrets Blog: Ab Animo Pario Country: #0# True Name: Peytral Aznable	idk it didn't seem that episodic to me And because of the overarching plot the characters never developing definitely isn't for episodic purposes. I've seen shows where each episode is almost entirely self-contained with more character development than Eva.



Kiki	Feb 12 2014, 08:00 PM Post #6830
Kiki Martius Chantico Posts: 16,455 Group: Mars Clan (wololo!) Member #101 Joined: September 23, 2006 Blog: error# Country: #226#	oh my, so the MotW doesn't go away? That's a shame. I heard the character development was basically Spoiler: click to toggle you learning how [radio edit]ed up the characters are and them spiraling downwards into their issues I've seen the beginning of End of Evangelion, so I figured this summary of character dev might be on point. >_>



Peytral	Feb 12 2014, 08:05 PM Post #6831
peytral pls Posts: 15,452 Group: Sol Clan Member #459 Joined: March 18, 2009 Gender: Miserable pile of secrets Blog: Ab Animo Pario Country: #0# True Name: Peytral Aznable	Kiki Feb 12 2014, 08:00 PM oh my, so the MotW doesn't go away? That's a shame. I heard the character development was basically Spoiler: click to toggle you learning how [radio edit]ed up the characters are and them spiraling downwards into their issues I've seen the beginning of End of Evangelion, so I figured this summary of character dev might be on point. >_> It kind of does, but honestly I liked the first half but though it just got worse and worse in the second half, eventually crashing into an awful mess in the early 20s. But hey, that's just me.



DJ Octavio	Feb 12 2014, 08:09 PM Post #6832
Check out my spicy wasabi beats Posts: 10,970 Group: Dullahan Member #5 Joined: March 23, 2005 Gender: Not a Squid Country: Murrica True Name: That One Guy Theme Song: http://youtu.be/Pzp9YI8KZmM	Smarter Child Feb 12 2014, 12:48 AM Someone give me an anti-recommendation. Namely, something you know I won't like but would get off on hearing how I react to each episode. I could either be analytical about how much the show doesn't work for me or be straight up "what the [radio edit] is this show doing to itself" all the time. Or both. I intend to make a topic about it if it ends up being interesting enough to write about. Since no one will bite when I give it as a recommendation Midori no Hibi



Seoulbowz	Feb 12 2014, 08:10 PM Post #6833
Supergeil Posts: 19,233 Group: Sol Clan Member #54 Joined: May 28, 2006 Blog: Edeka Country: #79# True Name: Friedrich Liechtenstein Theme Song: https://youtu.be/jxVcgDMBU94	Speaking of Eva, I present to you art in its truest form. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTis1nN4ySw[/youtube]



Silvy	Feb 12 2014, 08:20 PM Post #6834
idolswag4lyfe Posts: 4,760 Group: Venus Clan Member #210 Joined: July 3, 2007 Gender: Hollow Country: #238# True Name: Silvy Theme Song: https://youtu.be/AIG4mhLcplo	Peytral Feb 12 2014, 07:32 PM idk it didn't seem that episodic to me And because of the overarching plot the characters never developing definitely isn't for episodic purposes. I've seen shows where each episode is almost entirely self-contained with more character development than Eva. Yeah, that's why I said other series did the whole episodic thing better. Evangelion just didn't seem like it knew whether or not it should be episodic or not. Most of the episodes follow the same formula of Shinji complaining > angel appears > Shinji fights angel so it tends to be pretty episodic with overarching plot elements thrown in here and there. Quote: Since no one will bite when I give it as a recommendation Midori no Hibi Although I'd never watch this, it would be amusing as hell to get the opinion of someone else on it.



Momentime	Feb 12 2014, 08:38 PM Post #6835
uh oh Posts: 18,956 Group: Luna Clan Member #194 Joined: May 28, 2007 Gender: pew pew pew Country: #226# True Name: Shads	I can't believe no one has said boku no pico or school days you guys need to step up your game



Peytral	Feb 12 2014, 08:40 PM Post #6836
peytral pls Posts: 15,452 Group: Sol Clan Member #459 Joined: March 18, 2009 Gender: Miserable pile of secrets Blog: Ab Animo Pario Country: #0# True Name: Peytral Aznable	um he didn't ask for the best anime ever r u high or sometin



ShmittlesThePoe	Feb 12 2014, 08:41 PM Post #6837
Pirate Wavemaster Posts: 10,690 Group: Clanless Member #375 Joined: September 18, 2008 Gender: XY Country: #226#	Bowz, that's... that's beautiful.



simplechild	Feb 12 2014, 09:41 PM Post #6838
My only feel is murder Posts: 12,119 Group: Fori Member #115 Joined: October 30, 2006 Gender: Burning Blog: What's All This, Then? Country: 'Nam. True Name: simplechild	RyuKenshin Feb 12 2014, 08:09 PM Smarter Child Feb 12 2014, 12:48 AM Someone give me an anti-recommendation. Namely, something you know I won't like but would get off on hearing how I react to each episode. I could either be analytical about how much the show doesn't work for me or be straight up "what the [radio edit] is this show doing to itself" all the time. Or both. I intend to make a topic about it if it ends up being interesting enough to write about. Since no one will bite when I give it as a recommendation Midori no Hibi I read the manga. Is the adaptation different enough to warrant a try?



DJ Octavio	Feb 12 2014, 10:11 PM Post #6839
Check out my spicy wasabi beats Posts: 10,970 Group: Dullahan Member #5 Joined: March 23, 2005 Gender: Not a Squid Country: Murrica True Name: That One Guy Theme Song: http://youtu.be/Pzp9YI8KZmM	It's a bit more abridged, everything involving Lucy is gone.



HyrulianJedi	Feb 12 2014, 10:22 PM Post #6840
uguu~ Posts: 7,500 Group: Clanless Member #116 Joined: November 2, 2006 Gender: Girl Blog: I Hate Blogs Country: #0#	Octavia von Silvandorf Feb 12 2014, 08:20 PM Yeah, that's why I said other series did the whole episodic thing better. Evangelion just didn't seem like it knew whether or not it should be episodic or not. Most of the episodes follow the same formula of Shinji complaining > angel appears > Shinji fights angel so it tends to be pretty episodic with overarching plot elements thrown in here and there. This seems like it would be a good thing if you don't like episodic/MotW stuff. Eva handled MotW and kept it interesting (in proportion to the story itself) by varying it enough to not get stale. Shinji doesn't even fight half the angels - the show turns the fight against them into a sort of power struggle between Asuka/Rei. But yeah, the lack of character development is my biggest issue. All three main characters stay the same the entire time (I guess except for the very very last scene, but that thing was so buried in ridiculous shit that I ignore it). If that's the "point", then congratulations, you succeeded in making a shitty point. The main draw of the series to me was the worldbuilding that they teased non-stop through the first half. I actually enjoyed the middle third or so, where I'd given up on the main characters (since the secondary ones were pretty interesting) and was trying to figure out the plot and predict where it would go. Anyone who's finished EoE should know how that went.

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