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Brawl's Official Tier List; Version 1.0
Topic Started: Sep 2 2008, 11:03 PM (1,307 Views)
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http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=192028

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After a full spring and summer of competition, the SBR felt as though it was time to take the first stab at a tier list for Brawl. Before I post it, let me remind you all of a few important things:


1. Tier placement doesn't necessarily reflect your ability to beat your friends with a specific character. You might beat your friend's Metaknight with Sonic, but that doesn't mean Sonic is top tier. It means you win that matchup against your friend. Tiers are not absolute measurements of match outcomes.

2. Instead of measuring match outcomes, tiers are more a measurement of potential of characters against the rest of the cast in a competitive, 1v1 tournament environment. It shows general strength of a character's abilities in a specific tournament environment. So yes, maybe Yoshi is a beast in teams or Ganon is REALLY good with items turned on... but this list measures somethingd different than those things.

3. This list is based on a combination of tournament result data, extensive discussions with top players and tournament hosts and looking at general trends in play in the current competitive metagame. It took a lot of work on the part of some of the best minds in Smash to compile this list.

4. This list might change with time. It is based on how we perceive the game to be and play it competitively NOW. However, if a replacement for l-canceling is discovered or new tactics cause the game to evolve over time, this list could change. So if you main a character that isn't near the top, keep playing and evolving their game. You might be the one, like Chu Dat's Ice Climbers back in Melee, that cause people's opinions to change.

5. That said, don't give up hope! Just because your character isn't ranked at or near the top, doesn't mean you can't do fantastic things with them with enough talent and effort. We do not publish this list to encourage players to change their main tournament character. If anything, it should serve as a challenge to take the game to the next level.

6. In Smash, any character can win in any matchup if you are smarter and better than your opponents by a wide enough margin. So keep playing to win and work hard to be the best player you can be, regardless of which character you use.


And without further ado, I present to you the official SBR Brawl Tier List (v1.0):

Top
Meta Knight
Snake
King Dedede
Mr. Game & Watch
Falco
R.O.B.

High
Marth
Wario
Lucario
Donkey Kong
Diddy
Pikachu
Ice Climbers
Kirby
Pit
Wolf

Middle
Toon Link
Olimar
Fox
Zelda
Zero Suit Samus
Bowser
Luigi
Peach
Ike
Sheik

Low
Lucas
Ness
Mario
Pokémon Trainer
Samus
Yoshi
Sonic
Jigglypuff
Ganondorf
Link
Captain Falcon
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The Phantom Squee
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Sound the horn and call the cry: "How many of them can we make die?"

Woah, Jigglypuff's considered bottom-tier now? MADNESS!

Also, ROB being top-tier is awesome.
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Erik the Appreciator
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CAPTAIN FALCON AND SONIC AT BOTTOM!?!? META-KNIGHT, DEDEDE, AND ROB ON TOP!?

This is a very surprising list... I would've guessed Meta Knight to be bottom tier because he doesn't really have any attacks with high knockback, and Dedede to be as low as Ganondorf for being the same sort of slow heavyweight. Captain Falcon on the other hand seems to be a sort of speed-and-power character that previous Smash games favored, and I'd figured Sonic as the speediest character would be higher up on the list.

And yea for Lucario being right up there with Marth (another shocker). :D
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simplechild
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I'm not so sure about D3 up there... but the others I can certainly agree with.

Especially since three of the chars I use are Top :D.
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Erik the Appreciator
Sep 2 2008, 09:11 PM
I would've guessed Meta Knight to be bottom tier because he doesn't really have any attacks with high knockback

Meta Knight has that devastating Up-B and his smashes have good knockback too.
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Erik the Appreciator
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simplechild
Sep 2 2008, 09:17 PM
Erik the Appreciator
Sep 2 2008, 09:11 PM
I would've guessed Meta Knight to be bottom tier because he doesn't really have any attacks with high knockback

Meta Knight has that devastating Up-B and his smashes have good knockback too.

"Devastating"? His up-B and his smash attacks never seemed all that strong to me compared to other chars' attacks... And I always thought it was a disadvantage how the Up-B forces you into a glide. But apparently that's good in the meta-game environment... Perhaps I should find a video on how to use the attack "professionally".
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The Phantom Squee
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Sound the horn and call the cry: "How many of them can we make die?"

Actually, I'm really not surprised about DeDeDe being top-tier. I've played against someone who's good with him, and he completely mopped the floor with me.

I think that the speedier characters being lower-tier probably has something to do with the random aspects of the game. I mean, the fast characters who rely on motion are going to be worse off if they trip than a slow, powerful character, right? I guess the random factor screwed the speedsters over.
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Momentime
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uh oh

Ness and Lucas is Low Tier?

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?! And Diddy Kong is High Tier, too... what is this?
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Erik the Appreciator
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Ness and Lucas don't surprise me, and neither do most of the other low-tier picks like Pokemon Trainer and Jigglypuff (Jiggly's Down-B has frankly been rendered unusable from Melee >.>)...

It's a delicious irony that Zelda is now well above Sheik. :D

Wario being so special is surprising, though.

Another thing that makes me wonder is how the heck did Falco remain in the top tier while Fox drastically dropped down to right below Wolf? :blink:
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The Grim Lich
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Bah, I trust no tier list, nor do I condone tier lists. Making a "list of tiers" just sounds incredibly unfun to me. And yes, I realize that the people who made this list think differently about the entire idea of a tier list than I do, but... honestly, in my opinion, why tier up over Brawl?
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Shiroi Jigoku
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Someone contact Lin - PT is to low!

Also - I get my butt whooped by a guy who mains Ness, only for it to be bottom tier? MADNESS.
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Delfeir
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I find delicious irony in that Zelda is higher than Shiek. Metaknight is a freaking devastating character when used effectively, and has been consistently seen in the top brackets of tournaments, with relative unknowns using him to amazing effect. King Dedede... I love the character to pieces but I'm not good with him. I found him tricky to use. All that changed when my friend showed me how good he was with him. I think that in the end, match for match, we were pretty much even in wins. Dedede is really quite good if you know what you're doing.

Also, having decided that I would get good with Diddy Kong, I've seen what he can do. He's really quite good, and I now expect to see him that high. Fun character. Umm, what else... Ness and Lucas, bottom tier? That's a load of junk. Likewise with PT, though I guess the fact that you have to master three characters will make the pros head explode. ROB... I just don't understand ROB as a character enough to make a judgement. And Samus is far too low. ZSS is where she belongs, but normal Samus is better than that...

Pikachu needs to be lower on that list... and of the Star Fox characters, I agree, Falco is the best and should be right at the top. His stats and moveset are the most effective of the three, even though in terms of fun he's kinda lacking behind Wolf. Finally... Ike, in middle tier? Well, okay, I'll give him that. But I'm still good with him.

Okay! That's just my thoughts on that list. However, I don't condone it, and won't listen to it. I'll play the characters I like that are fun, with my items on and my stages hazardous and tricky, with four players and lots of laughter. That's how Brawl should be played, none of this tournament no items Final Destination crap. Did you know that fighters and pros of other fighting games actually really enjoy Smash Bros, because it's so different from all of their games? They play it to unwind, to have fun with items and four player-ness when they don't want to beat the crap out of each other in one-on-ones like Street Fighter and Soul Calibur.

Take that, Smashboards!
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ShinyGirafarig
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Giraffes are adorable.

It's all Ivysaur's fault I tell ya.


Seriously I do not care. I watched videos of Chu dat's Pichu beating up some other high ranking tourney's player who uses Shiek.


And PT at low tier is great. So you all underestimate him. That's very good. Touney players shy from him because of the 3 characters in one thing which is mandatory. So of course he won't get as great of a rating as he is very risky to use in tournaments. At home when I play matches versus you all I am not competing for money or the entrance fee I paid off not to loss money at an early stage. I knew from the beginning he would be low.

Remember that the wifi environment is different from local multiplayer. Pikachu may be high but I have a hell of a difficult time pulling off the redirected up B for recovery in wifi matches so I use him much less. I play as who I want to play. I first saw Diddy and PT while I was in Israel and my heart pumped that such unique characters are gonna be playable. And I stick with them no matter the tier list. As the intoductory paragraph said these gamers are a lot different than we are. We also use items and banned stages in our matches.


I also use Diddy and Pit because I like the characters. I'm currently playing Kid Icarus to enjoy playing as Pit even more. You shouldn't select characters just because of tier placing. Erik can't seem to handle Meta Knight for instance. If you can play them well, good for you.


In before "Tiers r 4 queers".

(Wow, some of you act like I would bitch and moan about PT's placing. Just makes me happier when I beat you with him and I don't moan when a low tier character lost the match.)

Remember, this is a game. Most of you aren't playing for prize money. Relax and keep on enjoying the characters you are playing as. There is no loss if you lose (if not competing for money).
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Chrono Ivan
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Wow, Link dropped like a rock. And Zamus rose like a rocket. that's not the only thing that rises like a rocket around her!

Kirby ftw. I should play him more. He was my favourite character (not my main, I have no main) out of all of them, probably because my first platformer was a Kirby game.

Oh and Ness and Lucas are down there for precisely one reason guys: Deathgrab. Well that and you can gimp their recovery by running into the PK thunder/toadstooling them since they sit there nice and immobilized while doing it.

inafter 'Tiers don exits'
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Erik the Appreciator
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Lots of great points by Delf and KP. =)

Cross-posted from SmashWiki's article about tiers:

"A tier list is a ranking of each character's metagame, based on tournament settings. It is an indicator of how each character is expected to perform, under tournament settings, in relation to the rest of the cast. Thus, tiers measure the potential of each character based on all currently known techniques and strategies that have been shown to be useful in tournaments. Tier lists are common in fighting games as well as many other competitive games involving a large selection of characters.

The tier list does not say anything about any single matchup. For example, if two players are equally matched in skill, and one uses Fox and the other uses Pichu, the tier list alone can not be used to predict the outcome of the match accurately. This is because the tier list looks at a character's overall potential and effectiveness, and individual matchups can be soft or hard counters that affect but do not entirely determine a character's ranking."

"The unanimous consensus of competitive players is that tiers do exist. They argue that it would be almost impossible to balance a game of unlike characters; without specific redesign, characters would have the tendency to fall into tiers by dint of their myriad variables (differing attack power, running speed, etc.). Furthermore, the developers cannot foresee top-level strategies, and thus even their deliberate efforts could fail to balance the game at a professional level. Years of empirical results support this conclusion as well; national tournament-winners of Melee almost always use Marth, Fox, Falco and Sheik."

"Tiers exist at all levels of play, though the rankings are highly changed from casual play to competitive play, due to different strategies and a different metagame from the tournament level."

'Tis interesting, no?

And CI, I thought it went "Tires don exits". XD
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Delfeir
Sep 3 2008, 12:04 PM
[...] Metaknight is a freaking devastating character when used effectively [...] King Dedede... I love the character to pieces but I'm not good with him. I found him tricky to use. [...] Dedede is really quite good if you know what you're doing.

Also, having decided that I would get good with Diddy Kong, I've seen what he can do. He's really quite good, and I now expect to see him that high. [...] And Samus is far too low. ZSS is where she belongs, but normal Samus is better than that...

That.

Also, yeah, it's not like the tier list is going to change which characters I use anyway. I'm going to keep maining Olimar, Lucario, and Diddy like before.
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ShinyGirafarig
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Giraffes are adorable.

Wait a minute. *looks at the tier list again* Hmmmm, Meta Knight and Dedede on top, huh? I'm thinking of something but I forgot.



Oh yeah.



SAKURAI!!!!!!
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Delfeir
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Well, it's obvious that Metaknight and Dedede were going to be a little higher. After all, they're the lovechildren of Sakurai. The fact that Kirby isn't top tier as well is the only thing making a lot of people scream at him for favortism, but even Kirby got returned to the glory that he was in the original buffed to be on a more even level. He's one of my characters for a number of good reasons.

But yeah. Tiers are silly, let's just play the game and have fun, amirite?
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The Phantom Squee
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Sound the horn and call the cry: "How many of them can we make die?"

Indeed. I will continue to throw Pikmin just to annoy you, even if it makes me lose. =]

'Course, it would help if I actually owned the game and could play it regularly...
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Dang Kairi... I was gonna come in shouting TR4Q...

Anyways, I don't really have any problems with this list, regardless of the fact that Ike is Middle Tier...
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