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| The Ace Attorney Fandom is the most disgusting; fandom I have ever witnessed (spoils) | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 23 2008, 01:28 PM (1,453 Views) | |
| ShinyGirafarig | Mar 23 2008, 01:28 PM Post #1 |
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This topic will have all four games spoilers. Proceed with caution. I have lurked the Court Records forums for a long time. I always love reading discussions. I barely contribute because I am shy, though. I read the discussions on pairings. Let me tell you, the pairings fights are some of the worst I have seen. Mudshipping and Valeshipping has nothing on them. The reasons against some pairings are some of the most contradictory and plain hypocritical I have ever read. They are so damn violent and cruel against these poor fanboys/girls that pair them. These are some of the pairings that are mostly accepted by everyone and there are barely any arguments and flames against them: Yaoi: Edgeworth/Phoenix Yuri: Franziska/Adrian Hate Pairings: Manfred/Gregory, Matt/Juan Hetero: Godot-Diego/Mia, Ron/Dessie, Maggie/Gumshoe (notice these are all canon?) Incest: The Fey sisters, The Skye sisters, the Gavin brothers (notice anything yet?) Now I will get into some popular pairings that get so much flames against them that it really does make the Golden Sun pairings look like a friendly discussion. I will list common arguments and then I will show how stupid and plain hypocrites these bashers are. Phoenix/Maya: Ah yes, we always have the main male/main female pairings. And boy, I can already hear the Phoenix/Edgeworth shippers coming to arrest me for even mentioning it. What are the common arguments against this? Most common one of all is Maya is immature, playful and silly and can't be in a serious relationship and Phoenix looks down on her. If that is so then I am in trouble in real life cause I am also immature, silly and playful and therefore I can't have a serious relationship. Does that mean that one will always remain static in personality forever? And nobody will ever fall for a silly character either? The games themselves are able to disprove these two complaints. First is the immature bit. Are you exactly sure that no one can mature? Not even..... Phoenix? Ooh! I said the name of the main character! Remember Phoenix with the face mask and a pink sweater? Wasn't he a bit immature? And didn't a certain someone fall in love with that guy? Iris? And didn't he grow up to be a sarcastic but still trusting man? And it happens again in AJ. He matured yet again. yadda yadda blah blah blah. Not a strong enough argument? Let's look at a CANON pairing to show these mean flamers that bash the poor fanfic writer. Dessie and Ron! Ron is an overgrown baby. Yet Dessie still loves him for that. So don't give me that Maya can never be in a serious relationship [radio edit]. See canon proves it is possible. Stop hurting the P/M fangirl's feelings. Please. Oh there was one more argument against this which is stupid. The age difference between them two. I can say one thing: AGEISTS! Next stop is the Hate relationship. For some odd reason, mortal enemies can be paired with no problem but regular antagonists who may hate each other at first but may have the possibility to overcome their problems are flamed. This would be the Franziska/Phoenix pairing. Yadda yadda perfect record ruined, blah whippings blah. So they hate each other. but Matt/Juan and Manfred/Gregory who in canon DESPISE EACH OTHER AND DID THE ACTION OF KILLING THE OTHER CHARACTER THAT IS PAIRED IS FINE?!? I hate this fandom. When Fran and Phoenix are paired I imagine them as Carmelita Fox and Sly Cooper in personality (play Sly Cooper, it is a great game). Carm hates Sly's guts so much and wants to put him behind bars, yet Sly always hits on her and teases her. Am I saying Phoenix does exactly what Sly does and hits on her? No. I am saying that he does tease Fran while Fran acts like Carm and wants to win against Phoenix. The Sly Cooper canon accepts this kind of relationship and the PW's fandom should also consider this as a possibility. HE'S INCEST! Ah yes incest. In the Golden Sun fandom, no one really bashes Felix and Jenna. The same almost applies to the PW fandom as well. EXCEPT WHEN IT COMES TO TRUCY/APOLLO! How hateful the majority of the fandom is. So Mia/Maya can do it all they want and so can the Gavins and they know they are siblings and can do it anyway but when two characters who don't even know they are related are paired IT IS DISGUSTING? I am not even gonna bother. Do you also notice something here? Do you notice a reverse discrimination? I do. The fandom discriminates against heterosexual pairings. And in my book reverse is just as equally bad as regular discrimination. Notice that homosexual incest is not really complained about but hetero is. With the hate relationship homo is also not flamed. It seems that as long as it is canon then it is ok to actually pair male/female. And thus ends my rant. Erik, if you read this then do you have a rant template that uses plural pronouns or "it" pronouns? This fandom deserves a rant template. |
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| Momentime | Mar 23 2008, 02:35 PM Post #2 |
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Seems to me they got a little bit farther into the 'we don't hate homosexuals' thing. |
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| Jackal | Mar 23 2008, 02:44 PM Post #3 |
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Come and Take It - Temple Tsundere
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I'm not sure which fandom is worse: PW or KH. But yeah, that's crazy. |
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| Signomi | Mar 23 2008, 03:10 PM Post #4 |
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Urgh. Pairing arguments. >_>; I must say, the Ace Attorney fanbase is quite bad when it comes to these debates. Oh, and am I the only one who doesn't understand the Franziska/Adrian pairing at all? ~_0 |
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| ShinyGirafarig | Mar 23 2008, 03:44 PM Post #5 |
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PW. At least the KH fandom doesn't bash anthros (furries) like what the PW fandom did to me. But I may put I a KH rant today or tomorrow.
Yes they are bad. At least the GS shippers are more civilized when it comes to pairings they may not necessarily like. And with Fran/Adrian, go to Court Records and find all posts by a guy named CantFakeTheFunk. My personal take on this shipping is that it is one sided. Adrian may be a lesbian but Fran being soft for Adrian is a bit out of character. Fran reminds me of Carmelita Fox a lot especially at 3-5. I see her more falling for someone who is a charmer. I hope someone here played any of the Sly Cooper games to understand what I am talking about. Thanks for the replies. |
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| Chrono Ivan | Mar 23 2008, 08:30 PM Post #6 |
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This is why I like RTS's... -_- KH is a fangirl ultramagnet people. What the hell were you EXPECTING with FF7-10 and 13 different bishonen stereotypes thrown in to the mix? Personally I avoid KH forums like the plague. |
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| Ness&Lucas | Mar 23 2008, 09:35 PM Post #7 |
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While a bit of a Phoenix/Edgey shipper myself I don't proclaim it as fact, and am pro-hetero couplings, and a massive PW fanboy, I agree that the fandom for PW is so over the top rediculous... I'm at a loss for words. The PW fandom is like the polar opposite of most logic really, and they're a hateful bunch sometimes. The whole thing get's icky sometimes... |
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| Erik the Appreciator | Mar 23 2008, 09:57 PM Post #8 |
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Master of Trivia, Grand Patron of 5 Gens
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I'm temped to say KairiPower violates one of my codes (Don't be overly venomous about anything that's meant for entertainment), but since the folks she's bashing are apparently guilty of just that on a much larger scale, I'll declare her exempt from a rant template of my own. ^_^ Anyway, with Shipping: People like Draco, Kyaro, and you sure love it, while folks like Hinoa hate it enough that he even hates the world, and then there's folks like me who don't necessarily care one way or the other (at least nowadays). Normal romance is normal romance and should not be the subject of much venom by a fanbase's portions, just like "odd" romances like between characters of the same gender are likely for more comedic purposes and should not be bashed to hard for not being serious-normal. If the AA fandom fails these as KP says, I suppose I'll use the rant template in her stead (instead of her using it herself; maybe she didn't realize that the point of my rant template is for other folks aside from myself to use it themselves. :lol:): I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT ALL OF THE ACE ATTORNEY FANDOM ARE PRUDE LOSERS. THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO FRIENDS. THEY ONLY WATCH HARVEY BIRDMAN BECAUSE THATS WHAT THEY KNOW BEST BY FAR. AT THIS POINT IN EACH OF THEIR LIVES, THEY IDOLIZE THEIR PARENTS OF THE OPPOSITE SEX BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO KISS THEM. OTHER THAN THEIR PARENTS THEY HAVE NEVER EVER TOUCHED HUMANS OF THE OPPOSITE SEX NOR WOULD THEY EVER TRY BECAUSE THEY ARE SO SCARED. INSTEAND, THEY SIT AT HOME ALL DAY IN BIG BLACK COUSHY CHAIRS ON THEIR MOST LIKELY OBESE ASSES, EATING TUBS OF POPCORN WITH TONS OF BUTTER AND SALT, AND DRINKING DIET DOCTER PEPPER OUT OF BIG SLURP CONTAINERS. THEY MOST LIKELY HAVE GREASE STAINS ON THEIR SHIRTS AND SKID MARKS IN THEIR TIGHTY-WHITIES. THEIR WHOLE LIVES REVOLVES AROUND COURT RECORDS AND THEY THINK THEY'RE SO GREAT JUST BECAUSE THEY SUPPORT A COUPLE CRACK SHIPPINGS THAT DONT MEAN SHIT. THEY MAKE THEIR LIVINGS BY SELLING THEIR RUNESCAPE ACCOUNTS ON EBAY AND THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD EVER HOPE TO GET MARRIED OR EVEN TALK TO HUMANS OF THE OPPOSITE SEX WOULD BE ON SOME STUPID ONLINE GAME LIKE [[EVERQUEST]]. THEY WEAR GIANT, THICK, BIG BLACK GLASSES AND THEY HAVENT SHOWERED IN TWO WEEKS. THEY HAVE BEARDS BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO LAZY TO SHAVE IT AND THEY HAVENT CHANGED THEIR UNDERWEAR IN MONTHS. THEY LIKE CAUSING HARM TO PEOPLE TO MAKE THEM FEEL BETTER ABOUT THEIR OWN PITIFUL LIVES. THEY ARE LOSERS AND THATS ALL THEY WILL BE!! |
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| ShinyGirafarig | Mar 23 2008, 10:18 PM Post #9 |
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And my job here is done. Was I that harsh? I wasn't aiming to bash the accepted pairings like Edgeworth/Phoenix. I was bashing people who flame other's preferences. Where once did I say I despise Klavier/Kristoph? I just said that for some reason that incest relationship is accepted but Apollo/Trucy another incest pairing is rudely bashed. I saw it on the AJ board on Gamefaqs. Someone said that he/she thinks Apollo/Trucy is hot and another user posted right away, "don't you know they are siblings?" yet no one says anything for Fey or Gavin incest. See what I am getting at? I am bashing the fandom, not the pairings. |
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| Erik the Appreciator | Mar 23 2008, 10:21 PM Post #10 |
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I didn't say anything about you bashing the pairings or saying you hate Klavier/Kristoph, did I...? Naw, I'm quite sure I didn't.
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| ShinyGirafarig | Mar 23 2008, 10:25 PM Post #11 |
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Ok, just making sure we are all clear on what I was aiming at in this topic. |
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Naw, I'm quite sure I didn't.

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