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Topic Started: Oct 11 2007, 05:13 PM (7,494 Views)
Erik the Appreciator
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...Hah! Your expectations were really that lofty, Mr. Phoenix Trite? *chugs down Mountain Dew*

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I hear now that the "All Characters Unlocked" message appeared once the roster filled up to 35 for players playing the game, so that proves once and for all there won't be any more characters. Well, so much for my theory then... But I think it was a good attempt at a theory nonetheless; last night before the actual final roster image with the proper Wolf image was finally put up, I proved there could have been space for an additional four using Photoshop to slap together this quick and dirty image:

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I didn't change the size of the portraits at all, just moved them all left one space and copy and pasted boxes in empty spaces.

Also: Hmm, but are the Japanese leakers still leaking footage and info for us on the Internet? (If so, what is a reliable site to check up on that that ISN'T suspended? >_<)
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Phoenix7
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Odyssey, ya see~ Odyssey, ya see~

It was Gamefaqs...they got my hopes up... ;_;
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Erik the Appreciator
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Now, I'm MOST CERTAINLY part of the crowd that mourns the loss of Mewtwo as playable, even though I love the fact Pichu's out and I really love the idea of playing as Lucario. But the strange thing here is... Where is Mewtwo, anyway? I don't think there's been any leaked footage of Mewtwo being a Poke-Ball Pokemon or collectible trophy or sticker, but there HAS to be at some point because it wouldn't make sense at all to completely remove all mention of him.
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Kyarorain
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And how about Roy? He's apparently completely gone...
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Erik the Appreciator
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I definitely appreciate that clone's departure, though.

I hope that all the characters people are calling "clones" in Brawl turn out to actually be Luigifications, which are better than clones any day.
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Kyarorain
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Well, I'm happy that Lyn is an AT anyway. FE7 is my favourite FE after all.
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Erik the Appreciator
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I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT MASAHIRO SAKURAI IS A PRUDE LOSER. HE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO FRIENDS. HE ONLY PUTS VIDIOGAME CHARACTERS IN FIGHTING GAMES BECAUSE THATS WHAT HE KNOWS BEST BY FAR. AT THIS POINT IN HIS LIFE, HE IDOLIZES HIS MOTHER BECAUSE SHE IS THE ONLY PERSON WHO IS WILLING TO KISS HIM. OTHER THAN HIS MOTHER HE HAS NEVER EVER TOUCHED A GIRL NOR WOULD HE EVER TRY BECAUSE HE IS SO SCARED. INSTEAND, HE SITS AT HOME ALL DAY IN A BIG BLACK COUSHY CHAIR ON HIS MOST LIKELY OBESE ASS, EATING A TUB OF POPCORN WITH TONS OF BUTTER AND SALT, AND DRINKING DIET DOCTER PEPPER OUT OF A BIG SLURP CONTAINER. HE MOST LIKELY HAS GREASE STAINS ON HIS SHIRT AND SKID MARKS IN HIS TIGHTY-WHITIES. HIS WHOLE LIFE REVOLVES AROUND KIRBY AND HE THINKS HE'S SO GREAT JUST BECAUSE HE GOT A COUPLE ONLINE AWARDS THAT DONT MEAN SHIT. HE MAKES A LIVING BY SELLING HIS RUNESCAPE ACCOUNT ON EBAY AND THE ONLY WAY HE COULD EVER HOPE TO GET MARRIED OR EVEN TALK TO A HUMAN OF THE OPPOSITE SEX WOULD BE ON SOME STUPID ONLINE GAME LIKE EVERQUEST. HE WEARS GIANT, THICK, BIG BLACK GLASSES AND HE HASNT SHOWERED IN TWO WEEKS. HE HAS A BEARD BECAUSE HE IS TOO LAZY TO SHAVE IT AND HE HASNT CHANGED HIS UNDERWEAR IN MONTHS. HE LIKES CAUSING HARM TO GOLDEN SUN FANS TO MAKE HIM FEEL BETTER ABOUT HIS OWN PITIFUL LIFE. HE IS A LOSER AND THATS ALL HE WILL BE!!
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Jackal
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Jan 30 2008, 10:41 AM
No Dixie Kong, No K Rool, No Krystal, No Isaac, no Paper Mario, no Animal Crosser, no Mewtwo, no Marina, no Goemon, no Lloyd Irving, No Bomberman, Toon Link, Ganondorf, Falco and Wolf seem like clones...
Excuse me while I go sob in a corner.

Wow.

Half of those characters couldn't even make it in, Except for Bomberman,
Krystal and Isaac.

And suck it up. You didn't get your characters. It's not the end of the
world. I didn't get Ridley and Isaac, but i'm not whining. Neither should
you.
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Phoenix7
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Sorry. I should have put sarcasim, some of them would definitly not appeared, I know, but I hoped anyway. ^_^;
It is a shame really, because so many of them had great potential and they didn't get in. Ah well. I'm warmed up to ROB now...
*Waits for something to make me accept Toon Link*
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Peakay
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Jan 30 2008, 09:28 PM
Sorry. I should have put sarcasim, some of them would definitly not appeared, I know, but I hoped anyway. ^_^;
It is a shame really, because so many of them had great potential and they didn't get in. Ah well. I'm warmed up to ROB now...
*Waits for something to make me accept Toon Link*

I accepted Luigi because His FS is a Drug trip =D
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Phoenix7
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Odyssey, ya see~ Odyssey, ya see~

If I didn't like Luigi, my best friend would KILL me. XD
But it's not drugs, it's clearly Chaos Dancing! (Belly Dancing + Chaos Control.) XD
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Jackal
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Lawl.

So, I heard Falco has a different Down+B, and Ganondorf has some
different moves as well.

Also: Falco and Wolf have the same FS as Fox (Wolf's tank is red), but
hopefully with minor differences.
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Phoenix7
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Odyssey, ya see~ Odyssey, ya see~

I'm sorry Sakurai, but have you ever heard of a WOLFEN?
Falco could have been the Blue Marine...but that would have been hard to put in...
I heard something to that effect about Falco...like his reflector could be thrown?
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Jackal
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I know, rite?

Like I said, though, we don't know for sure yet. It may be insanely
different.
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=( I lament the loss of my most precious Mewtwo... rest in peace, Most Badass of Pokemon.
Well, I think Pit's going to be my main, then. Nothing's more Solian than an angel, after all. ^__^

But yeah, the roster is a little disappointing. Removing characters, period, is a recipe for phail - you're just taking away from the game, and there's no point in doing so - you could've made them just vs. mode only to avoid having to put them in Subspace.
Wolf is pretty cool, though. ^_^
And, I'm not opposed to clones at all. I play more for the character design as opposed to moveset, anyway.

I lament the loss of Mewtwo even more than Isaac not being in it. D:
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Erik the Appreciator
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Now, let's crunch the roster we do get for Brawl:

Mario: Melee had Mario, his clone Dr. Mario, his luigified character Luigi, Bowser, Peach, Yoshi, and Donkey Kong. Brawl replaces Dr. Mario with the very different Wario and adds the all-new Diddy Kong, and while Luigi does not have Poltergust 3000 like Mario has FLUDD, that might be successful in making Luigi all the more different from Mario in gameplay terms. So, I think the Mario series is handled successfully.

Zelda: Melee had Link, his weaker clone Young Link, Zelda/Sheik, and Ganonorf. Brawl replaces Young Link with Toon Link; that was something I really hoped would happen and am glad it did. :) So I think the Zelda series is handled successfully.

Metroid: Samus is still the only character, and unfortunately you can't play as Zamus in Brawl in a match where Smash Balls aren't available as items that can appear, which I know will really irk a lot of folks. I say this franchise was handled moderately, but not badly because Metroid has a strong thematic association with solo heroism and Brawl at least keeps this theme consistent.

Kirby: Two brand newcomers, Meta Knight and Dedede, in addition to Melee's Kirby touched up for Brawl, makes the Kirby series excellently handled for Brawl IMO.

Star Fox: Melee had Fox and Falco as near-identical clones. Brawl appears to keep them while adding Wolf, who kinda comes across as a palette swap of Fox, and therefore it looks like a third clone. But it doesn't seem possible Sakurai would be THAT obtuse; he really must have HAD to make the three Star Fox characters play differently. Otherwise he wouldn't have been so optimistic about Brawl. Assuming the Star Fox characters aren't clones in terms of gameplay, I say this franchise is handled pretty good.

Pokemon: Pikachu and Jigglypuff return, while Pichu is dropped in favor of the wildly interesting and dynamic Pokemon Trainer, and Mewtwo is controversially replaced by Lucario. Being the hardcore Pokefreak I am, I naturally have a love-hate relationship with that last part, but overall the Pokemon playable characters are a LITTLE better than the lopsided selection for Melee, right?

F-Zero: Captain Falcon returns and is still the only F-Zero character, but F-Zero isn't that big and great a franchise anyway, right? I did expect him to have his visual design based off F-Zero GX, but whatever. Brawl's F-Zero representation is OK in my books.

EarthBound/Mother: Ness returns, and Lucas is added. These seem like two similar psychic tykes that could be clones gameplaywise, but we don't know that yet for sure; Lucas could be luigified Ness, which isn't bad. (Ness uses a bat and Lucas doesn't.) This universe is done good enough methinks.

Ice Climber: Meant to be a one-character franchise anyway with the Ice Climbers, so I think Brawl handles this one perfectly.

Fire Emblem: Marth and Roy were real clones in Melee, but Roy has been replaced by the nicely different-looking Ike for Brawl, and Marth and Ike's swords look different enough in size that the two would HAVE to play pretty differently. I think this franchise is represented quite good in Brawl.

Game & Watch: Meant to be a one-character "franchise" anyway with Mr. Game & Watch, so I think Brawl handles this one perfectly too.

Kid Icarus: Meant to be a one-character franchise anyway with Pit, so I think Brawl handles this one perfectly too.

Pikmin & Olimar: Meant to be a one-character franchise anyway with Captain Olimar and his Pikmin minions, so I think Brawl handles this one perfectly too.

Metal Gear: I believe this being a third-party franchise makes it a "guest" franchise to the party so to speak, so there's nothing wrong with only having its big star Snake being in Brawl as playable.

Sonic: Like with above, I believe this being a third-party franchise makes it a "guest" franchise for Brawl unlike Donkey Kong, so there's nothing wrong with only having its big star Sonic being in Brawl as playable.

ROB/Robot: You know, each Smash Game has had a "WTF?" character; Smash had Ness, and Melee had G&W. If I had to come up with a historically respectable WTF character for Brawl, I don't think I could have done any better than the Robotic Operating Buddy.


After typing out this entire post, I suddenly now feel much better about the Brawl roster because it really is a major upgrade to Melee's if you take the time to look at it.
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Jackal
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Saturos
Jan 30 2008, 03:42 PM
=( I lament the loss of my most precious Mewtwo... rest in peace, Most Badass of Pokemon.
Well, I think Pit's going to be my main, then. Nothing's more Solian than an angel, after all. ^__^

But yeah, the roster is a little disappointing. Removing characters, period, is a recipe for phail - you're just taking away from the game, and there's no point in doing so - you could've made them just vs. mode only to avoid having to put them in Subspace.
Wolf is pretty cool, though. ^_^
And, I'm not opposed to clones at all. I play more for the character design as opposed to moveset, anyway.

I lament the loss of Mewtwo even more than Isaac not being in it. D:

Lulz.

We all know that Pichu, Roy and Mewtwo weren't liked by many people
anyway.
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Phoenix7
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Um...what about Yoshi and DK? Just class them under secondary Mario characters.
And I liked Roy and Mewtwo...but Lucario seems to be a good enough substitute. Let's just assume Mewtwo is shooting a third movie for himself.
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Jackal
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Actually...

Mewtwo is an Enemy in the Story Mode. I saw a picture, I just need to
find it.
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Erik the Appreciator
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Mewtwo a boss in SSE? That'd be great! =D
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