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| Calibrations | Aug 21 2007, 02:29 PM Post #1 |
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Did they plan to kill Isaac's team? and is Alex evil? (a side topic) |
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| Tristia | Aug 21 2007, 02:32 PM Post #2 |
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they planned to kill Isaac and his team. >___>; Karst was running around to get revenge.... What I meant was, the trap might not have meant to kill them. As for the Alex part, I don't know. |
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| Phoenix7 | Aug 21 2007, 03:12 PM Post #3 |
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Odyssey, ya see~ Odyssey, ya see~
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For god's sake, we just settled this...must we do it again? |
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| Tristia | Aug 21 2007, 03:13 PM Post #4 |
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She made this topic while we were discussing. >___> |
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| Phoenix7 | Aug 21 2007, 03:17 PM Post #5 |
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Odyssey, ya see~ Odyssey, ya see~
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Very well...*Pulls out suitcase, opens it up, pulls out a piece of paper and closes it again, then pulls out glasses* Court is in session. |
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| Calibrations | Aug 21 2007, 03:26 PM Post #6 |
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Ok. Alex is not evil, because he saves their lives. |
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| Tristia | Aug 21 2007, 03:31 PM Post #7 |
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It makes me kinda wonder.... Did Alex really save their lives because he's good? What if he knew that Agatio and Karst wouldn't be able to lit the lighthouse, and so he let Isaac, Felix and co to be alive to help him light the Mars Lighthouse? In Champa, he even said something about that Karst and Agatio may end up like Menardi and Saturos (or implied or something, I can't remember. But something about that). ...Just something I wonder about.... |
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| Calibrations | Aug 21 2007, 03:32 PM Post #8 |
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Reasons why Alex isn't evil: 12. Every time Saturos and Menardi comes on, Evil music plays. When you see Alex at the very ending of Golden Sun, evil music does not play. Since Evil music plays for every evil thing and Alex didn't get the Evil music, He must not be evil!!!!! 11. Alex's element is water, which the opposite of fire. Saturos and Menardi from Golden Sun are both Mars Adepts. The opposite of of Mars is Mercury, so Mercury Adepts are good. Alex is a Mercury Adept, therefore, he is not evil. 10. If Alex was evil, wouldn't he have slayed Isaac and friends with his mighty powers in an instant as soon as he found out they opposed him? 9. Alex deals with water, the color blue, and protecting people like Jenna. So does the Navy, who serves and protects our country. Therefore Alex isn't evil. 8. All of the real evil people are Mars Adepts that come from a "special" clan from the North, and Alex doesn't. He's not even a Mars Adept. So there! 7. Have you ever met an evil person who wears purple? I sure haven't. Ivan isn't evil, therefore Alex isn't. 6. What about Felix? He isn't evil, he's just trying to save his sister and pay off a life debt. Maybe Alex is doing the same, huh? 5. In Sol Sanctum, he apoligized in advanced. See, bad guys don't apoligize! 4. You never once fight him in the ENTIRE game. And so far not even in The Lost Age, so there!. 3. People just assume Alex is evil, they never give him a chance. Just because he's with Saturos and Menardi (who would name their kid Menardi!?) people say he's evil. Felix is with Saturos and Menardi and HE'S not evil, wait, didn't we just say that? 2. There is no number two. Alex is NOT evil! 1. Alex isn't evil, he's just misunderstood. |
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| Phoenix7 | Aug 21 2007, 03:38 PM Post #9 |
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Odyssey, ya see~ Odyssey, ya see~
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| Tristia | Aug 21 2007, 03:41 PM Post #10 |
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12. Alex was the mysterious character. We never got to know what he was up to until the end. I think the game-makers were trying to keep it a surprise and so didn't give him any evil theme 11. Garet and Jenna isn't evil. Puelle and other Proxians weren't evil. And to be quite honest, Saturos and Menardi weren't evil either. They were just a bit cruel (although they have their reasons). Neither was Agatio and Karst. those two were just... Obssessed with getting revenge (I think this matches Karst, as for Agatio... No clue) 10. What? You mean in Sol Sanctum? Well, that's because they were using Isaac to get the Mars Star. Also, he was using them to light the lightouses for him 9. What does Navy has to do with Golden sun!?!?! >___>; 8. As I said, Puelle and the other Proxians weren't evil. 7. I've seen evil people wearing purple. 6. Yeah, I wonder what that is... It should be showing in the 3rd game or we should get an explanation from Camelot themselves. Stating about that make it sound like a fanfic. 5. Bad guys do apoligise. 4. So...? Isaac and co fought many people, but not all of them are evil... 3. We never said he was evil because he was following Menardi and saturos. Plus, I think Menardi is a pretty name!! >_< number one and two were... Strange.... |
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| Calibrations | Aug 21 2007, 03:52 PM Post #11 |
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I never said they all made sense, I copied them! And besides, there's no proof he is evil, and no proof he isn't. So these last two hours have been a watse, as it's all down to opinion. That's the mature side of me. I say he's good. |
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| Tristia | Aug 21 2007, 03:53 PM Post #12 |
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Yeah, as Erik said. There is as much potentional for him being good as it is for him being evil. But you gotta admit, these last two hours was fun!!!!! >w< |
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| Calibrations | Aug 21 2007, 03:56 PM Post #13 |
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Yes, they were. I've decided, I'm gonna be a lawyer! GS helped me with my career choice!
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| Tristia | Aug 21 2007, 04:32 PM Post #14 |
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Yeah, I think you really suit being one...XD |
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| Bane Martius Agni | Aug 21 2007, 04:53 PM Post #15 |
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You make it sound as though you haven't finished teh game...
Alex's motives weren't the same as Felix's. Felix was saving his parents, and the world. Alex didn't have parents. If he did, we would have met them in Imil. If they weren't in Imil, Alex doesn't know about them. Besides, he ran away, it wasn't for friends in Imil. He doesn't care about them. And he wanted Golden Sun for himself, to use it's power. Not to release Alchemy to save the world, he actually goes to steal Golden Sun. Teh other arguments have been answered satisfactorily. I just felt the need to post this part for some reason... |
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| Lachesis | Aug 21 2007, 07:41 PM Post #16 |
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My opinions. First, Alex is, in my opinion, the fallen manipulator. Ultimately, we don't know his original purpose for firing the beacons. We can only guess. For all we know, the Golden Sun was something that didn't come into play until AFTER he joined Saturos and Menardi. We can mind read him to see he still cares at least for Mia, at least somewhat. For all we know, the whole 'destroy Vale with storms' was simply the whole 'power corrupts' thing on crack. Second, this really belongs in GS Misc if you ask me... Not that you did... |
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| Calibrations | Aug 22 2007, 05:52 AM Post #17 |
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Thanx! And yeah, after two hours of debating on the chatbox, using witnesses, quotes, tape recordings, etc, we decided that he has the potential for good or evil, so is neither. Also, don't blame me for the reasons, I just copied tham from another site. |
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| Lachesis | Aug 22 2007, 08:33 AM Post #18 |
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*Lachesis blames Sacra for the reasons* Joke. Anyway, I've stated my opinion. It does mostly agree with what you just said, so... Just as a side comment, everything I've read lists them as Agatio and Karst... Eh, name orders. More details... |
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| Chaoslord | Mar 3 2010, 06:54 AM Post #19 |
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Alex is the only evil one in the entire game. All of his actions refer to having all of the lighthouses lit. He himself says somehting like this, but in different words: Saturos and Menardi, Karst and Agatio have shown weak profit of solving the mysteries of the lighthouses. Alex knew that Felix knew the reason for lighting the lighthouses. He would tell Isaac and Isaac would accompany him. Alex is genious, but evil. |
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| Saturos | Mar 3 2010, 09:14 AM Post #20 |
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Well, just sweepingly saying he's "evil" doesn't do Alex credit. As Trist there had pointed out, if you mindread him after Mia has fallen into the JL trap, he says something along the lines of: "Even now, I want to run to her, to give her my aid... it appears even I am still weak." So he still has fluffy parts inside of him, but he sounds like a man driven by something, on a kind of mission, to place something else, his goal, ahead of his personal desires. Now whether his goal is good or bad, we don't know, but given the whole maniacal laughter about immortality at the end of the game, trying to destroy the Wise One, and trying to storm Vale, we can say that either - Alex is good, and the power just corrupted him, or - Alex is evil, and he just had power. Occam's Razor. >_> <3 old threads. |
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